(06-24-2023 12:44 PM)indianashocker Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:26 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Some one do a wellness check on Todor.

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

(06-24-2023 11:48 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  And so it begins----Apparently there is reason to believe Wagner attempting to seize a nuclear weapons storage facility. I saw a report 3 or 4 days ago that the US nuclear posture had been raised----I thought little of it because it was based on little more than large increase in the kind of special coded communications required for nuclear weapons use. In retrospect---it seems like the report may have been more legit than I believed. Perhaps US intelligence got word this was coming several days ago?

They already do. Wagner has control of the Southern Military District headquarters in Rostov. The SMD has an allotment of nukes. Even if he had the ability to use them, Prigozhin wouldn't. There's even less chance of him doing so than Putin.

Oh really.

Prigozhin says his forces "are turning our columns around


Bwahahahahaha.

It will be a big nothing before it over.

You can then say you were right shere.

Dont feel bad though, much better than you have smoked here

(06-24-2023 01:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Utter nonsense. The US government did not fund the Wagner rebellion. Some of you guys have completely lost your minds. Look---I get that some believe we should in no way be involved in Ukraine. I dont agree---but its still a completely reasonable point of view that I actually am somewhat sympathetic to. The idea that Putin is not at fault for the war and that the evil West is completely at fault for the Ukraine War is---and Im sorry---nothing more than Pro-Putin propganda and I find it embarrassing that we actually have so called republicans not only repeating it----but somehow believing it. One of the top military figures in Russia literally spilled the beans on the whole thing this week and admitted that all the BS claims Russia made as excuses for the invasion were false. Seems to me that pretty much ends the debate right there.

Well there are reporters and news agencies all across Europe and the free world who vehemently disagree with you on this and can make an incredibly fact based and compelling case. Our media has engaged in a total blackout of that side of this all along, but none of this is hard to dig up if you just read media coverage outside of America.

Now of course your wording this carefully to say the west is "completely" at fault and Putin did nothing wrong at all. That is obviously not what most people say or believe and certainly not what countless news agencies have been reporting for years on this.

But anyone arguing that our industrial military complex and deep state has not been actively seeking and instigating this war for several years in Ukraine just has their head in the sand and is utterly delusional. We have poured billions into Ukraine and created regime changes in Ukraine and conducted propaganda campaigns and all sorts of activates that have been well documented for several years by multiple European agencies many times over. Our own elites in Washington have openly bragged for years that a war in Ukraine is the key to getting Putin overthrown in Russia.

We've already hashed this out countless times, none of these FACTS make Putin the good guy our absolves him from this invasion and war. But its an undeniable fact that we have sought this war our for years and have spend billions to help fund and create the situation and anyone denying these well documented FACTS is just delusional.

Permanent Washington and the industrial war machine have wanted this all along.

Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

(06-24-2023 11:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And Wagner Groupe can't be better than Putin. We don't know what's going on for sure, but a neo-nazi mercenary mob should never be celebrated, specially if their boss is a russian oligarch...

Nazis? I thought that was Purim's big excuse for invading Ukraine. And here the Nazis were fighting on his behalf all along?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

(06-24-2023 12:38 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Suckers

The funniest part about it.....that looks safer and cleaner than any prog filth pedocrat city in America.

(06-24-2023 01:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And Wagner Groupe can't be better than Putin. We don't know what's going on for sure, but a neo-nazi mercenary mob should never be celebrated, specially if their boss is a russian oligarch...

Nazis? I thought that was Purim's big excuse for invading Ukraine. And here the Nazis were fighting on his behalf all along?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I really think the filth are just happy its white people killing each other.

Russian State Media Reports Putin’s Concessions to Rebel Mercenary Leader to Stop Advance on Moscow

Quote:Russian state media is reporting President Vladimir Putin’s concessions to rebel mercenary leader Yevgeniy Prigozhin in order to halt his advance on Moscow and avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

“According to Russian State Media, Major Changes to the Leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense including changes to the current Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov have reportedly been Agreed upon in order to Stop the March of the Wagner PMC Group towards the Capital of Moscow; these Negotiations have also reportedly included the assured ‘Security of the Wagner Group’,” OSINT defender reported.

“These Negotiations are also reported to have included a ‘Stipulation’ that the Majority of Wagner PMC Forces will be Redeployed out of Russia and Ukraine to Africa,” he added.

The reported concessions followed a brokered deal involving Prigozhin, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, and Russian President Putin.

Prigozhin earlier announced on Saturday that he is standing down, adding that he ‘doesn’t want to spill Russian blood,’ and the Wagner convoys were retreating back to their bases.

“They were going to dismantle PMC Wagner,” he said in an audio statement on Telegram. “We came out on 23 June to the March of Justice. In a day, we walked to nearly 200km away from Moscow. In this time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now, the moment has come when blood may spill. That’s why, understanding the responsibility for spilling Russian blood on one of the sides, we are turning back our convoys and going back to field camps according to the plan.”

The announcement follows a statement from the office of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, claiming that he had reached an agreement with Prigozhin after discussing the issue with Putin previously.

“This morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin briefed his Belarusian counterpart on the situation in southern Russia with the private military company Wagner. The heads of state agreed on joint actions,” wrote the Belarusian leader’s office in a press release.

The release went on to say that Lukashenko had a dialogue with Prigozhin and his forces in conjunction with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia. Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions,” the statement continued.

“At the moment, on the table is an absolutely profitable and acceptable option for solving the situation, with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters.”

The proposed settlement reportedly includes security guarantees for the Wagner troops, although no details were provided at the time.

The reported concessions add complexity to one of the most surreal episodes in the Russia-Ukraine war. The deal grants Prigozhin his stated objectives, while keeping the Russian military forces from further schism at a time when Ukraine is expected to mount a counter-offensive on the warfront into the Donbass and Donetsk regions.

(06-24-2023 01:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And Wagner Groupe can't be better than Putin. We don't know what's going on for sure, but a neo-nazi mercenary mob should never be celebrated, specially if their boss is a russian oligarch...

Nazis? I thought that was Purim's big excuse for invading Ukraine. And here the Nazis were fighting on his behalf all along?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

I really think the filth are just happy its white people killing each other.

Excuse me! Whites killing whites is simply a tradition in Europe going back millennia. In spite of what other races may claim we all have a habit of killing more of our own than any others. I dare say more African Americans are murdered in their own neighborhoods every year by other African Americans than were every killed under the evils of oppression. And that's not a justification for the evil institution of slavery, but rather an acknowledgement of a social gestalt.

When people quit murdering their own race at rates that dwarf the rates other races murder them, then I'll listen to the calls of oppression and the demands of some kind of special justice. Until then all such claims are just hate bait for the ignorant of all races.

Nazis murdering Jews systemically is the most evil of exceptions. There are others, but degrees lesser in severity like what Muslims did to Armenians in Turkey.

U.S. Intel Officials Briefed Congressional Leaders on Wagner Insurrection ‘Earlier This Week’

Quote:Earlier this week, intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight regarding the movements and buildup of equipment by the Wagner group near Russia.

Both US and Western intelligence officials observed indications that Prigozhin was taking steps to prepare for such a move, including the accumulation of weapons and ammunition, as stated by a Western intelligence official and another individual familiar with the intelligence to CNN.

A source familiar with the intelligence emphasized that the developments unfolded rapidly, making it challenging to gauge the seriousness of Prigozhin’s threat to the Russian military and where his troops might be deployed.

“It all happened very quickly,” the official said, and it was “difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops,” according to the CNN report.

Nonetheless, it was all-hands-on-deck for U.S. and NATO leaders as of the Wagner rebellion starting on Friday night.

In the hours leading up to the Wagner retreat, U.S. officials held multiple interagency meetings on Friday night and Saturday morning to assess the potential impact, according to Politico’s sources. They tentatively agreed that the insurrection by the Wagner mercenary group would divert the Kremlin’s attention, presenting Ukraine with a crucial opportunity to reverse the tide of their faltering counteroffensive.

At that point, the Biden administration had not yet formulated a formal assessment, and officials cautioned that it was too early to draw definitive conclusions, the report claimed.

These officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the magnitude of the challenge posed to Vladimir Putin in over two decades, stated that they were monitoring the movements of Wagner forces as they advanced toward Moscow, passing through Rostov and heading northward.

President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris received briefings on Saturday from Cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, regarding the advances made by the Wagner Group before Prigozhin’s decision to stand down.

General Mark Milley, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, held a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart, General Valery Zaluzhnyy, on Saturday. According to the conversation’s summary, Zaluzhnyy informed Milley about the offensive actions of their units and assured him that the operation was proceeding as planned.

Biden also discussed the situation in Russia with President Emmanuel Macron of France, Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak of the United Kingdom on Saturday.

Furthermore, Blinken had a conversation with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba. In a tweet on Saturday, Kuleba stated, “Ukraine remains focused on achieving the goals of its counteroffensive within its territory with the unwavering support of our American allies.”

Later on Saturday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin planned to speak with Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov.

A U.S. official revealed that phone calls with European counterparts aimed to “reassure them” and emphasize the importance of maintaining a neutral stance. “No one should be celebrating prematurely,” the official added.

In these conversations, there was a general consensus between the United States and its European allies that Kyiv now had an unprecedented opportunity to advance while a significant mercenary force shifted its focus from holding Ukrainian positions to launching attacks inside Russia.

Biden’s departure for Camp David, where he would have access to resources to monitor the developing situation, was delayed until early Saturday afternoon.

Even if Putin were to quell the rebellion, it could strain the resources of the Russian military and likely eliminate the Wagner Group’s effectiveness on the front lines, where it had previously proven successful against Ukrainian forces.

“The cracks in the Putin regime are now unmistakably visible. The Kremlin will have to forcefully suppress the Prigozhin rebellion to protect its legitimacy,” warned Alina Polyakova, president and CEO of the Center for European Policy Analysis in Washington.

NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu stated that the military alliance was closely monitoring the situation. However, an early complication arose when Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey and a NATO ally, pledged his “full support” to Putin during a phone call on Saturday.

Nevertheless, the open rebellion and the ease with which Wagner seized control of the military command center in Rostov, where the Kremlin directed its war on Ukraine, exposed the vulnerability of Russia’s military.

Officials cautioned that predicting events in the coming hours and days was challenging, as evidenced by the Lukashenko-brokered arrangement. Possibilities ranged from Putin swiftly suppressing the insurrection to his grip on power slipping, as the image of his total control over Russia was greatly diminished.

Russian state media reported President Vladimir Putin’s concessions to rebel mercenary leader Yevgeniy Prigozhin in order to halt his advance on Moscow and avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

“According to Russian State Media, Major Changes to the Leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense including changes to the current Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov have reportedly been Agreed upon in order to Stop the March of the Wagner PMC Group towards the Capital of Moscow; these Negotiations have also reportedly included the assured ‘Security of the Wagner Group’,” OSINT defender reported.

“These Negotiations are also reported to have included a ‘Stipulation’ that the Majority of Wagner PMC Forces will be Redeployed out of Russia and Ukraine to Africa,” he added.

Thus, it appears that the rebel Prigozhin would nonetheless accomplish the objectives of his Russian incursion, regardless of the retreat.

While current U.S. officials believe Putin will retain his leadership, there is quiet concern within the administration that the Russian leader may resort to catastrophic options if he were cornered into a desperate situation.

No one in the White House would mourn Putin’s absence, but there is no evidence to suggest that Prigozhin, or someone aligned with him, would be any less dangerous. Any form of turmoil or coup in a country possessing the world’s largest nuclear arsenal would be a cause for grave concern, officials warned.

“This kind of instability is dangerous, regardless of the outcome,” a U.S. official cautioned.

Proghozin screwed up

"When you strike at a king, you must kill him"

(06-24-2023 02:08 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  U.S. Intel Officials Briefed Congressional Leaders on Wagner Insurrection ‘Earlier This Week’

Quote:Earlier this week, intelligence officials briefed congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight regarding the movements and buildup of equipment by the Wagner group near Russia.

Both US and Western intelligence officials observed indications that Prigozhin was taking steps to prepare for such a move, including the accumulation of weapons and ammunition, as stated by a Western intelligence official and another individual familiar with the intelligence to CNN.

A source familiar with the intelligence emphasized that the developments unfolded rapidly, making it challenging to gauge the seriousness of Prigozhin’s threat to the Russian military and where his troops might be deployed.

“It all happened very quickly,” the official said, and it was “difficult to discern how serious Prigozhin was about threatening the Russian military and where he would take his troops,” according to the CNN report.

Nonetheless, it was all-hands-on-deck for U.S. and NATO leaders as of the Wagner rebellion starting on Friday night.

In the hours leading up to the Wagner retreat, U.S. officials held multiple interagency meetings on Friday night and Saturday morning to assess the potential impact, according to Politico’s sources. They tentatively agreed that the insurrection by the Wagner mercenary group would divert the Kremlin’s attention, presenting Ukraine with a crucial opportunity to reverse the tide of their faltering counteroffensive.

At that point, the Biden administration had not yet formulated a formal assessment, and officials cautioned that it was too early to draw definitive conclusions, the report claimed.

These officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the magnitude of the challenge posed to Vladimir Putin in over two decades, stated that they were monitoring the movements of Wagner forces as they advanced toward Moscow, passing through Rostov and heading northward.

President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris received briefings on Saturday from Cabinet-level officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, regarding the advances made by the Wagner Group before Prigozhin’s decision to stand down.

General Mark Milley, Chair of the Joint Chiefs, held a conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart, General Valery Zaluzhnyy, on Saturday. According to the conversation’s summary, Zaluzhnyy informed Milley about the offensive actions of their units and assured him that the operation was proceeding as planned.

Biden also discussed the situation in Russia with President Emmanuel Macron of France, Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany, and Prime Minister Rishi Sunak of the United Kingdom on Saturday.

Furthermore, Blinken had a conversation with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba. In a tweet on Saturday, Kuleba stated, “Ukraine remains focused on achieving the goals of its counteroffensive within its territory with the unwavering support of our American allies.”

Later on Saturday, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin planned to speak with Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov.

A U.S. official revealed that phone calls with European counterparts aimed to “reassure them” and emphasize the importance of maintaining a neutral stance. “No one should be celebrating prematurely,” the official added.

In these conversations, there was a general consensus between the United States and its European allies that Kyiv now had an unprecedented opportunity to advance while a significant mercenary force shifted its focus from holding Ukrainian positions to launching attacks inside Russia.

Biden’s departure for Camp David, where he would have access to resources to monitor the developing situation, was delayed until early Saturday afternoon.

Even if Putin were to quell the rebellion, it could strain the resources of the Russian military and likely eliminate the Wagner Group’s effectiveness on the front lines, where it had previously proven successful against Ukrainian forces.

“The cracks in the Putin regime are now unmistakably visible. The Kremlin will have to forcefully suppress the Prigozhin rebellion to protect its legitimacy,” warned Alina Polyakova, president and CEO of the Center for European Policy Analysis in Washington.

NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu stated that the military alliance was closely monitoring the situation. However, an early complication arose when Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the president of Turkey and a NATO ally, pledged his “full support” to Putin during a phone call on Saturday.

Nevertheless, the open rebellion and the ease with which Wagner seized control of the military command center in Rostov, where the Kremlin directed its war on Ukraine, exposed the vulnerability of Russia’s military.

Officials cautioned that predicting events in the coming hours and days was challenging, as evidenced by the Lukashenko-brokered arrangement. Possibilities ranged from Putin swiftly suppressing the insurrection to his grip on power slipping, as the image of his total control over Russia was greatly diminished.

Russian state media reported President Vladimir Putin’s concessions to rebel mercenary leader Yevgeniy Prigozhin in order to halt his advance on Moscow and avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

“According to Russian State Media, Major Changes to the Leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense including changes to the current Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov have reportedly been Agreed upon in order to Stop the March of the Wagner PMC Group towards the Capital of Moscow; these Negotiations have also reportedly included the assured ‘Security of the Wagner Group’,” OSINT defender reported.

“These Negotiations are also reported to have included a ‘Stipulation’ that the Majority of Wagner PMC Forces will be Redeployed out of Russia and Ukraine to Africa,” he added.

Thus, it appears that the rebel Prigozhin would nonetheless accomplish the objectives of his Russian incursion, regardless of the retreat.

While current U.S. officials believe Putin will retain his leadership, there is quiet concern within the administration that the Russian leader may resort to catastrophic options if he were cornered into a desperate situation.

No one in the White House would mourn Putin’s absence, but there is no evidence to suggest that Prigozhin, or someone aligned with him, would be any less dangerous. Any form of turmoil or coup in a country possessing the world’s largest nuclear arsenal would be a cause for grave concern, officials warned.

“This kind of instability is dangerous, regardless of the outcome,” a U.S. official cautioned.

Wow. Now that is high level analysis.

Our country is run by retards

(06-24-2023 01:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And Wagner Groupe can't be better than Putin. We don't know what's going on for sure, but a neo-nazi mercenary mob should never be celebrated, specially if their boss is a russian oligarch...

Nazis? I thought that was Purim's big excuse for invading Ukraine. And here the Nazis were fighting on his behalf all along?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

No heroes in this war, pal. America has nothing to win from it. They decided to "bet" some cash regardless.

(06-24-2023 02:13 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:55 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 11:41 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Start a dumb war of aggression.

Ignore logistics and supplies.

Let an oligarch start a mercenary army with conscripts from prisons and then rely upon them strategically.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

And Wagner Groupe can't be better than Putin. We don't know what's going on for sure, but a neo-nazi mercenary mob should never be celebrated, specially if their boss is a russian oligarch...

Nazis? I thought that was Purim's big excuse for invading Ukraine. And here the Nazis were fighting on his behalf all along?

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

No heroes in this war, pal. America has nothing to win from it. They decided to "bet" some cash regardless.

Not enough apparently. We live in a country where people can be propagandized into hiding in their homes, wearing napkins on their faces and taking an experimental shot.

Its the new dark ages. Reason is gone.

(06-24-2023 01:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

yes, 'oui' did ...

I simply love you droppin' the hammer comin' out of every corner at 7900 RPM ... it's been more than impressive in this thread ... broheim ... fk these g'dammed stupid fk'n pieces o' eight tards...

(06-24-2023 02:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Whenever yall are ready. I can wait.

(06-24-2023 02:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Does Wagner broadcast over loud speakers The Ride of the Valkyries as he advances? If not, he's missing a great opportunity to make a classic statement!

(06-24-2023 02:19 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 01:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Somebody just pissed in the punch of all the low T warmongers.

So sad. I warned you.



Go back to playing call of duty in moms basement

yes, 'oui' did ...

I simply love you droppin' the hammer comin' out of every corner at 7900 RPM ... it's been more than impressive in this thread ... broheim ... fk these g'dammed stupid fk'n pieces o' eight tards...

Sometimes its gotta be done

(06-24-2023 02:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 02:17 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Does Wagner broadcast over loud speakers The Ride of the Valkyries as he advances? If not, he's missing a great opportunity to make a classic statement!

Iswydt. Wonder who else gets it.

Don't see much of a chance of Putin allowing him to live after this. You either follow through or don't do it at all.