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RE: Tucker Carlson out at Fox News
(04-25-2023 05:48 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (04-25-2023 05:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (04-25-2023 04:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: (04-25-2023 04:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: (04-25-2023 03:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: I can point to several lawsuits by Trump pre- and post- election that cry that same thing. And without exception, the state courts tossed them.
On top of it, every state, without exception, certified the results sent to Congress for 1/6 certification and counting.
Please do tell how those are 'illegal'?
Again, every state, without exception, certified the results sent to Congress for 1/6 certification and counting.
The determination of the state electors is a matter for each state. Period. Every state, without exception, certified the results sent to Congress for 1/6 certification and counting.
The Constitution mandates that the Congress count each of the *states'* results. Nothing more, nothing less.
Please name every state where a final court decree has determined that "Other officials not mentioned in the constitution arbitrarily changed voting laws". I look forward to your list.
Exactly. Trump made his legal and political case for the election being fraudulent and when time ran out to overturn the election---he vacated the White House and Biden took over (just as it has occurred in every prior disputed election).
And in distinction to every transition, tried to vacate and short circuit the ECA, the counting, and the certification. That is, tried to act like the certification and counting was an act he could preempt by fiat.
A somewhat interesting distinction. One that doesnt seem to really make any pathway in your 'analysis' above, mind you.
Quote:I fail to see why you continue to throw yourself on the ground in a "Im Big MAD" tantrum
Stating facts is a "Big Mad"? Got it. Lolz. Good grief.....
Quote:over what amounted to using whatever legal and political levers he had to dispute an election he believed was fraudulent.
Problem is that short circuiting the certification and having himself declared President by fiat doesnt seem to fit in the legal levers of this country. In fact, it seems blatantly illegal, and blatantly unconstitutional.
Please do tell where you think a legal basis resides for declaring broad swaths of electors invalid simply by decree for purposes of a Presidential election? This could be *really* finig fascinating to hear.... Not even considering that the person who wrote this groundwork conceded that there wasnt any basis in the law and that it would lose 9-0 in the SCOTUS.....
I *would* agree with you if, that when the court cases all got waxed, Trump said 'okey dokey, even SCOTUS (in the Texas v. Pennsylvania case) hasnt found my way, Im out of here', Trump packed it up and scotched, he had every right to put it that far. But that isnt the case. He actually tried to short circuit the law itself -- actively tried to create a Constitutional crisis like this country has *never* seen, to get himself 'decreed' President by fiat. I draw the line with that being horribly overboard.
Quote:In the end, he availed himself to every legal and political avenue possible to dispute the election and then acceded to every legal and political decision that was made by the judicial and constitutional power structures in place.
Actually he tried the Eastman plan *after* losing every fing lawsuit. From that perspective, he really didnt 'accede' to the judicial or constitutional power structures -- he pulled that crap *in spite* of him losing at every fing step. But please, try some more of that 'excuse juice' that comes so easily.
Quote:Its no different that Bush-Gore----except the courts back then werent scared to death and looking for ways to avoid having to make a decision in the dispute.
Funny, I saw 50+ courts that made a ruling. And I saw a President so engrained in personal power that he tried to *circumvent* not just 50+ courts, but tried to have himself declared President *in spite* of a certification process.
Quote: Back then, the courts understood thier role, and came up with a reasonable solution that put the results under a microscope that everyone could see----allowing people to have complete confidence that the election results would be handled with complete transparency. Instead, in 2020, it felt more like the courts just wanted to not be stuck in the middle of it all and were hoping to run out the clock so it could just be over.
Did you read any of the rulings? Or are you just making up your feelings on them without doing that?
Congrats on the pro level effort to edit out the 'bad bits' that dont fall your way, though.
C'mon dude. The vast majority of those courts opted out completely claiming lack of standing by the complainant or lack of jurisdiction by the court.
Did you read any of the rulings? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will do....
Quote:In some cases, they went pretty far out of their way to avoid having to make a decision.
Which ones went 'pretty far out'? Please be specific.
Quote:But---go ahead stay BIG MAD cuz you think Jan6th was some sort of sneaky iNsuRRecTion designed to make Trump king.
What do *you* think of the Eastman plan? What do *you* think of the facts detailed in the case I posted?
Again, simple question here. Try an answer based in facts instead of your immature pile of goo above.....
Look forward to your specific comment on the facts detailed in that ruling.
Quote:Yeah---lets talk about making up dumb crap...    
Well, Im sticking to facts in the record specifically on the issue. You? I dont see any attempt in your 7th grade garbage bolded above.
So, to repeat:
a) did you read *any* of the rulings that you talk about above?
b) what cases went pretty far out there to avoid the issue, and why?
c) What do *you* think of the Eastman plan? What do *you* think of the facts detailed in the case I posted?
Maybe you can address those instead of your pre-sophomoric stuff above. Look forward to answers to the above.
I read part of that stupid case you posted thinking its such a big deal. I laughed at this part.
One week after the election, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency declared “[t]he November 3rd election [] the most secure in
American history” and found “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”17 An internal Trump Campaign memo
concluded in November that fraud claims related to Dominion voting machines were baseless.18
In early December, Attorney General Barr publicly stated there was no evidence of fraud, and
on December 27, Deputy Attorney General Donoghue privately told President Trump that after
“dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews,” the Department of Justice had concluded
that “the major allegations [of election fraud] are not supported by the evidence developed.”
We now know from internal memos and documents that NO such election fraud investigation by the DOJ ever occurred (I said at the time such an investigation would have required a massive effort that would be difficult to even organize in a few weeks---much less be completed in that time frame). I also always said the Dominion claims sounded far fetched from the start---but they should still be investigated. All I see is people looking for every loop hole they can find to buy time to find the fraud they believe is there. To this day, more than two years later, we still have not performed a reasonable deep forensic dive into legitimacy of a large sampling of mail in ballots from 2020. As Ive maintained for some time, if there was substantial fraud in 2020----that would be the obvious place to look.
(This post was last modified: 04-25-2023 07:41 PM by Attackcoog.)
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