Hope CUSA doesnt add Missouri State. SBC would be a great home for them.

(03-14-2023 08:57 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  If CUSA or the SBC lost a bunch, the WACSun schools would likely get picked apart. Tarleton on the Western side and EKU on the Eastern side would be the 1st 2 to go, especially to backfill CUSA. However, I have a strong feeling that the SBC would likely look to either raid current CUSA, or add Missouri State and Delaware. The SBC has been flirting with Missouri State for awhile, and Delaware would love to join JMU in a conference.

Bottom line, if CUSA needs to add, they probably go with who is most ready and most willing. If the SBC has to add, they are in a position to be more strategic.

Missouri State would be attractive as the 2nd FBS in a decent sized state. Delaware would represent a rare opportunity to add a state flagship school to a conference that currently has none.

If the sbc loses a bunch. As did Cusa last time I think they find themselves the bottom conference again.
Cusa was raided so hard because it was the better conference, if that happens to any conference they'll find themselves on a downward slide.

(03-15-2023 06:56 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 08:57 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  If CUSA or the SBC lost a bunch, the WACSun schools would likely get picked apart. Tarleton on the Western side and EKU on the Eastern side would be the 1st 2 to go, especially to backfill CUSA. However, I have a strong feeling that the SBC would likely look to either raid current CUSA, or add Missouri State and Delaware. The SBC has been flirting with Missouri State for awhile, and Delaware would love to join JMU in a conference.

Bottom line, if CUSA needs to add, they probably go with who is most ready and most willing. If the SBC has to add, they are in a position to be more strategic.

Missouri State would be attractive as the 2nd FBS in a decent sized state. Delaware would represent a rare opportunity to add a state flagship school to a conference that currently has none.

If the sbc loses a bunch. As did Cusa last time I think they find themselves the bottom conference again.
Cusa was raided so hard because it was the better conference, if that happens to any conference they'll find themselves on a downward slide.

SBC would just pull from CUSA just like the did before.

The fact that we are even saying the Sun Belt would pull from CUSA says a lot.


I remember when CUSA was a very, very good conference. Until.... .



The current commissioner..

That's all I will say about that.

(03-15-2023 11:12 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(03-15-2023 06:56 AM)JSUCleburneslim Wrote:  

(03-14-2023 08:57 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  If CUSA or the SBC lost a bunch, the WACSun schools would likely get picked apart. Tarleton on the Western side and EKU on the Eastern side would be the 1st 2 to go, especially to backfill CUSA. However, I have a strong feeling that the SBC would likely look to either raid current CUSA, or add Missouri State and Delaware. The SBC has been flirting with Missouri State for awhile, and Delaware would love to join JMU in a conference.

Bottom line, if CUSA needs to add, they probably go with who is most ready and most willing. If the SBC has to add, they are in a position to be more strategic.

Missouri State would be attractive as the 2nd FBS in a decent sized state. Delaware would represent a rare opportunity to add a state flagship school to a conference that currently has none.

If the sbc loses a bunch. As did Cusa last time I think they find themselves the bottom conference again.
Cusa was raided so hard because it was the better conference, if that happens to any conference they'll find themselves on a downward slide.

SBC would just pull from CUSA just like the did before.

If what happened to Cusa happens to the sbc I kinda doubt it.

(03-15-2023 07:52 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  The fact that we are even saying the Sun Belt would pull from CUSA says a lot.


I remember when CUSA was a very, very good conference. Until.... .



The current commissioner..

That's all I will say about that.

What happened to Cusa is more about the laws of realignment than who the commissioner was . The same thing happened to the WAC. When they had a very good commissioner. It's more about your proximity to realignment and the quality of schools you have to offer up to the conferences above you. In CUSA's case picked apart by the aac and then several schools jumped ship to the sbc a more stable regional conference with few teams to offer anyone in realignment.

New article by Matt Brown today concerning ASUN-WAC's quest for official FCS FB only merger (vs alliance).

Yes-- it's behind a paywall.

Some interesting info--- but nothing final or conclusive.

Not going to repeat whole article here-- not ethical or kosher.

But some points:

HIS opinion:

-- Waiver will be turned down (for now)--considered again mid summer.

-- WAC-ASUN FB alliance will continue to operate "like" a conference as much as possible and maintain their auto-bid.

-- thinks it is unlikely any current WAC-ASUN school is invited by an FBS league-- EVEN IF there is movement in the PAC/ BIG12/ etc..

There are some more details in the article and IMO it is worth the monthly subscription if you are really interested in college realignment, finances, NIL, NCAA legislation, etc..

THE ATHLETIC is another great source.

From D1.ticker:

Extra Points purveyor Brown writes on the latest developments connected to the ASUN-WAC mashup: “Oliver Luck told me the DI Council is scheduled to discuss the issue again later this month, and that the WAC-ASUN plans to ask for a waiver [to the moratorium on single-sport conferences]. I’m not saying it’s impossible that the league gets that waiver, but right now, I think the smart money is that it won’t happen….at least this month. [...] I’m honestly still trying to better understand why administrators outside the ASUN/WAC are reluctant to grant a waiver. I’ve heard some industry people speculate that it may make more sense for the NCAA to deliver more clear guidelines about what it means to be FBS or FCS before opening the proverbial floodgates, and will certainly be pushback among FBS leaders if any FCS league tries to join FBS as a group. But I’ve also heard many an AD privately wonder if more regional, sport-specific conferences for Olympic sports would make more financial and logistical sense.” Brown goes on to note that the league’s current membership seems stable, “right this second” & that no individual member is an immediate FBS candidate, per sources.

Excuse me for just now thinking about this, but how is Kennesaw going to fill out a schedule in FBS... don't they typically try to schedule a few NAIA and D2 schools to pad their wins? Can't do that in FBS....

(04-07-2023 01:07 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  Excuse me for just now thinking about this, but how is Kennesaw going to fill out a schedule in FBS... don't they typically try to schedule a few NAIA and D2 schools to pad their wins? Can't do that in FBS....

They can probably play pretty loose while their transitioning since they aren't bowl eligible anyway, but I think I many have heard they aren't playing a full twelve games next year. The transition year is just something to be survived. Once they actually start playing in C-USA the following year everything will work out.

From the WAC: UT-Arlington could add football

Article:https://fearthefcs.com/2023/04/07/first-hurdle-cleared-in-bid-to-bring-back-football-to-ut-arlington/

(04-07-2023 04:36 PM)unalions Wrote:  From the WAC: UT-Arlington could add football

Article:https://fearthefcs.com/2023/04/07/first-hurdle-cleared-in-bid-to-bring-back-football-to-ut-arlington/

One down 3 to go to get to a nice membership number for an FBS football conference!

(04-07-2023 01:07 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  Excuse me for just now thinking about this, but how is Kennesaw going to fill out a schedule in FBS... don't they typically try to schedule a few NAIA and D2 schools to pad their wins? Can't do that in FBS....

KSU will be a FCS independent next season and will make the move into C-USA in 2024.

(04-12-2023 09:14 PM)jones682 Wrote:  

(04-07-2023 01:07 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  Excuse me for just now thinking about this, but how is Kennesaw going to fill out a schedule in FBS... don't they typically try to schedule a few NAIA and D2 schools to pad their wins? Can't do that in FBS....

KSU will be a FCS independent next season and will make the move into C-USA in 2024.

From 2024 forward you can only pad you schedule with FCS and not NAIA or D2 schools.

Thank you for the advanced notice

I just want to pose a question here, and I'd be interested to post it on the WAC board as well. I don't have an answer...so that's why I'm so interested in what everyone thinks.

If this whole football-merger to FBS thing isn't ultimately approved...to what degree do you think it is or is not a possibility that the football schools from the ASUN and WAC form their own all-sports conference to push this along (probably under the WAC banner if it were to happen).

There would still be hurdles. No conference has ever moved as a group. We'd still be on the outs in terms of the CFP deal. But eliminating the football only aspect would at least eliminate one of the major hurdles to getting there. It would be a pretty darn good conference too.

Not that I'm specifically rooting for us to leave the ASUN, but I think this is a possibility that has to be considered if it can get us where we want to go.

Thoughts?

(04-13-2023 08:01 AM)eku05 Wrote:  I just want to pose a question here, and I'd be interested to post it on the WAC board as well. I don't have an answer...so that's why I'm so interested in what everyone thinks.

If this whole football-merger to FBS thing isn't ultimately approved...to what degree do you think it is or is not a possibility that the football schools from the ASUN and WAC form their own all-sports conference to push this along (probably under the WAC banner if it were to happen).

There would still be hurdles. No conference has ever moved as a group. We'd still be on the outs in terms of the CFP deal. But eliminating the football only aspect would at least eliminate one of the major hurdles to getting there. It would be a pretty darn good conference too.

Not that I'm specifically rooting for us to leave the ASUN, but I think this is a possibility that has to be considered if it can get us where we want to go.

Thoughts?

I have asked myself the same question...

I don't think it will happen just judging off of what all the ADs that have been interviewed have said. They LOVE the football group and LOVE the conferences they are primarily in as well.

I can't remember if it was Roan or another AD said that it's just football because it's easier to cover travel cost for that sport instead of all sports traveling to Utah and Texas.

Personally, I really like what we have in the ASUN. Hopefully the new commissioner can help move forward. I believe with UTA(maybe?) and UTRGV coming in football soon, and a possibility of another school or two in the ASUN with Football, it sets up for a great situation all around for both the WAC and ASUN.

What I don't understand is why they would have a problem with a single sport conference in FCS? That don't make sense.

Quote:What I don't understand is why they would have a problem with a single sport conference in FCS? That don't make sense.

I think there's just a moratorium on forming them while they're looking at various policies. I feel pretty confident they'll allow it eventually at least at the FCS level. I see it more as a question of "when" than "if" in that regard.

Now the whole FBS thing is far more of an "if."

Quote:I can't remember if it was Roan or another AD said that it's just football because it's easier to cover travel cost for that sport instead of all sports traveling to Utah and Texas.

Roan has definitely emphasized his enthusiasm for this plan, but from a PR standpoint you generally don't talk about Plan B while trying to sell people on Plan A. My assessment of Roan is that he's very much in FBS or bust mode, and the costs of other sports traveling can be partially mitigated through well-designed divisions.

I'm not saying this *is* Plan B, but it also wouldn't surprise me that much.

(04-13-2023 11:50 AM)eku05 Wrote:  

Quote:I can't remember if it was Roan or another AD said that it's just football because it's easier to cover travel cost for that sport instead of all sports traveling to Utah and Texas.

Roan has definitely emphasized his enthusiasm for this plan, but from a PR standpoint you generally don't talk about Plan B while trying to sell people on Plan A. My assessment of Roan is that he's very much in FBS or bust mode, and the costs of other sports traveling can be partially mitigated through well-designed divisions.

I'm not saying this *is* Plan B, but it also wouldn't surprise me that much.

Yeah, I'm sure there is a Plan B and I mentioned this scenario on the WAC board a couple of times recently. It just triggers their basketball school fans, though.

So, aside from the off chance that the WAC could use some type of "grandfather situation" (which is what realllly triggers the WAC board, ), I'm wondering if the WAC football schools (possibly sans the Utah schools) would consider coming to the ASUN in this scenario.

But, as you said, if the football schools all left their conferences and formed a new one for all sports it would be a good conference.