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(04-05-2023 12:40 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(02-28-2023 04:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Pay for it yourself Rice!!! Show us you care!!!

Detail, but a significant one. The endowment can't be spent on buildings as I understand it. It can advance funds for construction against future pledges, but it cannot directly pay for construction. I don't think anything about that has changed, but I haven't asked anyone in a long time.

(04-05-2023 10:56 AM)Grungy Wrote:  South concourse men's restroom left unlocked for first time in years.
This is why it was locked.
Locking the door again is the easiest and cheapest way out.
Don't know what they had in mind, beyond seeing if they still had a key.
The windows face the main part of campus.

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Wow... maybe they're just airing it out, lol.

What a disgrace. Burn it down.
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At least they aren't trying to call it 'Phase 2.'
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Looks like a good office for the Admin.
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[Image: img_3920.jpg?w=1024]

New gates are basically the same as the old ones, except black paint.
Except that there are now adequate hinges.

[Image: img_3921.jpg?w=1536]

This is good…

[Image: img_3922.jpg?w=1536]
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(04-06-2023 03:36 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  Looks like a good office for the Admin.

LOL! POST OF THE YEAR! POINTS FOR YOU, SIR! 03-lmfao
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(04-06-2023 04:36 PM)Grungy Wrote:  [Image: img_3920.jpg?w=1024]

New gates are basically the same as the old ones, except black paint.
Except that there are now adequate hinges.

[Image: img_3921.jpg?w=1536]

This is good…

[Image: img_3922.jpg?w=1536]

I prefer the blue, but I'm not complaining. They look nice.
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(04-06-2023 04:36 PM)Grungy Wrote:  [Image: img_3920.jpg?w=1024]

(04-06-2023 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I prefer the blue, but I'm not complaining. They look nice.

The north end gates have all been black for a while.
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(04-06-2023 11:14 PM)Grungy Wrote:  
(04-06-2023 04:36 PM)Grungy Wrote:  [Image: img_3920.jpg?w=1024]

(04-06-2023 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I prefer the blue, but I'm not complaining. They look nice.

The north end gates have all been black for a while.

Okay. I never see those. I enter at the southwest corner. I'd just like to see a lot more blue in general. For example, the concrete around the gates would look nice painted blue.

My guess is that they don't want to paint too much so that they don't have to worry about repainting in the future
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(02-27-2023 11:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Question...Is Rice's attitude toward athletics more in line with Harvard, Yale and Princeton as opposed to Stanford, Duke and Northwestern? Is there a difference?
Ivy League schools are Division 2 in football, if I'm not mistaken, meaning they don't spend nearly the money as FBS programs. Are we better suited for the Ivy League than FBS? I'm definitely not advocating for a move to a lower level, I just wonder if our 'culture' and 'attitude' toward athletics is more in line with the Ivies than our peers in FBS.
Would the Ivy League have us? Is that where we really belong? Is our culture more in line with theirs? Are we an FBS school that really belongs in the Ivy League, given our reluctance to spend on athletics?

No, Rice's attitude toward athletics is not more in line with the Ivies. It's actually pretty much not in line with anybody else.

The Ivies form a conference that imposes limits on athletics expenditures, but within those limits they are extremely competitive. Rice, on the other hand, doers not have externally-imposed limitations on spending, but chooses to be non-competitive in order to be cheap.

I'm not going to repeat my story about Princeton women's rugby (it's in at least one prior post if you want to look for it), but let me just say that Rice clearly does not take non-rev and club sports as seriously as do the Ivies.

And no, the Ivy League would not have Rice. Part of those conference limits on athletic expenditures are strict limits on travel that would preclude Rice as a member.
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(04-07-2023 12:33 PM)Ourland Wrote:  My guess is that they don't want to paint too much so that they don't have to worry about repainting in the future

My God, do you know how much a gallon of paint costs? If you were AD at Rice, you would.

Rice's philosophy on maintaining athletic facilities has always been squeeze every nickel until the buffalo farts (reference to pre-1940s coinage for those who don't get it). Problem is, that has evolved into squeezing those nickels until the buffalo sh*ts all over everything.
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(04-07-2023 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-27-2023 11:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Question...Is Rice's attitude toward athletics more in line with Harvard, Yale and Princeton as opposed to Stanford, Duke and Northwestern? Is there a difference?
Ivy League schools are Division 2 in football, if I'm not mistaken, meaning they don't spend nearly the money as FBS programs. Are we better suited for the Ivy League than FBS? I'm definitely not advocating for a move to a lower level, I just wonder if our 'culture' and 'attitude' toward athletics is more in line with the Ivies than our peers in FBS.
Would the Ivy League have us? Is that where we really belong? Is our culture more in line with theirs? Are we an FBS school that really belongs in the Ivy League, given our reluctance to spend on athletics?

No, Rice's attitude toward athletics is not more in line with the Ivies. It's actually pretty much not in line with anybody else.

The Ivies form a conference that imposes limits on athletics expenditures, but within those limits they are extremely competitive. Rice, on the other hand, doers not have externally-imposed limitations on spending, but chooses to be non-competitive in order to be cheap.

I'm not going to repeat my story about Princeton women's rugby (it's in at least one prior post if you want to look for it), but let me just say that Rice clearly does not take non-rev and club sports as seriously as do the Ivies.

And no, the Ivy League would not have Rice. Part of those conference limits on athletic expenditures are strict limits on travel that would preclude Rice as a member.

I don't believe that a single intercollegiate athlete at Harvard or Princeton pays a dime. This includes those who would be on partials anywhere outside of the Ivies or the military academies. It's not an even playing field with other academic institutions. The problem for Rice is that it was not "grandfathered in" to a P5 conference as Northwestern, Stanford and Vanderbilt were. No more Southwest Conference created an issue for Rice, notwithstanding Rice's unwillingness in the 1990s to do anything meaningful with respect to facilities, other than Reckling.
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All I know about Ivy League athletes and aid goes back to the summer of 1970. I graduated from Rice and took my Navy commission to Newport, RI, for a great summer at communications officer school. Five of us young single junior officers ended up in a house out on the beach next to the Newport Country Club. One of my roommates had a classmate at UNC whose father was a Yale alum and an oil trader in NYC. He had done a lot of business with the Rockefellers and at some point had bought a house out on Cape Cod from them. It was truly an amazing place and we spent several weekends there. To get to the Ivy League connection, there was a guy who was a tight end at Yale who was staying there and keeping watch over the place for the summer. Daddy was paying him $5 grand a month to do it. Now $5 grand a month was hella big money in 1970, when median annual income was $5663, not mention spending summer on the cape with a house to yourself. The Yalie told us that other players on the team had similar deals.
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(04-07-2023 06:34 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  The problem for Rice is that it was not "grandfathered in" to a P5 conference as Northwestern, Stanford and Vanderbilt were. No more Southwest Conference created an issue for Rice, notwithstanding Rice's unwillingness in the 1990s to do anything meaningful with respect to facilities, other than Reckling.

Rice could have been grandfathered in if they had only been willing to keep up with its peers athletically. The problem was the Rice business model of selling out when LSU it TexasU came to town to play football, and running a skinflint athletic program off whatever that brought in. Then when Rice quit playing LSU annually in the 1970s and TexasU left for the XII in the 1990s, that income stream dried up with nothing to replace it.

After Knodel won the SWC in 1970, Rice really had a tremendous opportunity to make like Duke. Take the lead in bringing in Black athletes, instead of being a follower, and Rice could have dominated an SWC that really didn't seem to care much about basketball. Do that and when the TV money started to hit basketball (after the UH-UCLA game in the Dome in 1968), Rice would have opened a major income channel outside of playing TexasU and LSU at home in football in alternate years. But by the time Houston and Guy V joined the SWC, and TexasU and Arkansas brought in Abe Lemons and Eddie Sutton, that window was gone.

The world of intercollegiate athletics changed around 1970 with the proliferation of post-season and TV money. Stanford and Duke made the commitment to move forward, followed eventually by Vandy and Northwestern. Rice just kept trying to pinch pennies until the whole Rice athletic program became a bad joke. So Rice got left behind by the XII and then by the Denver Airport gang. But anybody paying attention in the 1970s and 1980s saw this coming a mile away.

The one thing that I have always wondered about is what was the deal with Kenneth Pitzer. The Rice old-timers will claim that he ran Jess off because he intended to kill Rice athletics. But he went to Stanford in 1968-1971, and his presidency there pretty much coincided with the time frame in which Stanford decided to play with the big boys instead of squeezing nickels until the buffalo farted (yes, I use that analogy a lot, but as someone who was asked to sleep in double beds with a teammate on golf trips, I saw it up close and personal). Stanford won the 1971 and 1972 Rose Bowls, while Rice won 14 football games in the 5 years 1967-1971 (4, 0, 3, 5, 2), to give an idea of how far apart the programs were by the early 1970s. So why did two universities take such divergent paths under one president?
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(04-07-2023 06:34 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(04-07-2023 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-27-2023 11:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Question...Is Rice's attitude toward athletics more in line with Harvard, Yale and Princeton as opposed to Stanford, Duke and Northwestern? Is there a difference?
Ivy League schools are Division 2 in football, if I'm not mistaken, meaning they don't spend nearly the money as FBS programs. Are we better suited for the Ivy League than FBS? I'm definitely not advocating for a move to a lower level, I just wonder if our 'culture' and 'attitude' toward athletics is more in line with the Ivies than our peers in FBS. ... Are we an FBS school that really belongs in the Ivy League, given our reluctance to spend on athletics?

No, Rice's attitude toward athletics is not more in line with the Ivies. It's actually pretty much not in line with anybody else.

The Ivies form a conference that imposes limits on athletics expenditures, but within those limits they are extremely competitive. Rice, on the other hand, doers not have externally-imposed limitations on spending, but chooses to be non-competitive in order to be cheap.

... Rice clearly does not take non-rev and club sports as seriously as do the Ivies.

And no, the Ivy League would not have Rice. Part of those conference limits on athletic expenditures are strict limits on travel that would preclude Rice as a member.

I don't believe that a single intercollegiate athlete at Harvard or Princeton pays a dime.

FYI ... Yale supports 34 varsity sports: 18 women and 16 men. (https://yalebulldogs.com/). Rice has 14 (7 each).
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(04-07-2023 11:51 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  FYI ... Yale supports 34 varsity sports: 18 women and 16 men. (https://yalebulldogs.com/). Rice has 14 (7 each).

My point is that when Rice, or any other academically elite school recruits an athlete who's also being recruited by an Ivy, it is difficult, if not impossible to make a similar offer (putting aside the difference in academic reputation).
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(04-08-2023 01:29 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  
(04-07-2023 11:51 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  FYI ... Yale supports 34 varsity sports: 18 women and 16 men. (https://yalebulldogs.com/). Rice has 14 (7 each).
My point is that when Rice, or any other academically elite school recruits an athlete who's also being recruited by an Ivy, it is difficult, if not impossible to make a similar offer (putting aside the difference in academic reputation).

Taking both of your points together, if Rice wanted an Ivy League athletic program, Rice would have to step its commitment to athletics UP not down.

Rice doesn't care nearly as much about beating Tulane or SMU or Tulsa as Harvard, Yale, and Princeton care about beating each other--in any of 34 varsity sports and probably 50 club sports.
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(04-06-2023 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I prefer the blue, but I'm not complaining. They look nice.

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(04-08-2023 12:22 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(04-06-2023 04:49 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I prefer the blue, but I'm not complaining. They look nice.

Black is Beautiful!

Johnny Cash and I concur.
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I haven't been excited about Rice football for several years. Watching the lack of progress with stadium renovations just makes it worse. 03-yawn
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