(03-24-2023 09:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-24-2023 08:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  First, I am actually rooting for Trump to get convicted of something, and the sooner the better. That is about the only way I can see republicans winning in 2024. If Trump is the nominee I don't think he can get 270 EVs, and if he is not the nominee I think he will mount a third party campaign that will make it impossible for whoever is the republican nominee to win.

Second, for that reason I don't think the left really wants to convict him of anything. They just want to harass him with indictments, which also muddy the water badly for any election planning by republicans. I don't think law enforcement is playing without substantial Orange Man Bad bias. So I think they will just keep trying to indict him on trumped-up (sorry about the pun) charges.

Agree 100%.

I guess,in effect, this means I have joined the many, many Democrats who don’t give a damn about guilt or innocence, and the smaller number of never Trumpers. I do so because I think the long term benefit to this country would be for politics to return to just the normal amount of backbiting and lying, instead of the hyper levels of animosity demonstrated by the left.

So go, Blue Team. GET TRUMP!

This...

Yet somehow we're all blindly in the tank (no pun intended) for Trump.

(03-27-2023 09:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  No wonder there are always lawyers on both sides of every dispute.

Watching the true crime on 20/20 et al, I am always struck by the fact that even 20 years later, despite whatever evidence has turned up in the interim, the defense lawyers are always sure of their client's innocence and the prosecutors are always sure of his guilt.

Tanq, if those words matter, what can I do about the guy who told me to stuff a buzzsaw up my ***? What crime should he be charged with? (I have a feeling I might be in line for a similar comment from Tanq himself).

I'm not getting into the legal debate with those two, but accountants also do the same. While certainly there are a number of very clear rules... there is also a lot that is subject to interpretation... otherwise those professions wouldn't existr or make what they make or get called into court so often

If the rules were as clear as people sometimes make them, we wouldn't even NEED lawyers or accountants.

(03-27-2023 09:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  No wonder there are always lawyers on both sides of every dispute.

Watching the true crime on 20/20 et al, I am always struck by the fact that even 20 years later, despite whatever evidence has turned up in the interim, the defense lawyers are always sure of their client's innocence and the prosecutors are always sure of his guilt.

Tanq, if those words matter, what can I do about the guy who told me to stuff a buzzsaw up my ***? What crime should he be charged with? (I have a feeling I might be in line for a similar comment from Tanq himself).

Lolz. Not in sarcasm, I just chuckled at the comment. And no, that is *far* from worthy for a similar comment. If you want worthy go to the Spin Room last night.... lol.

First, *you* stuffing a buzzsaw up *your* ass isnt a crime. He is not asking you to commit a crime.

Second, the issue is asking someone else to commit a crime -- not just commit a crime but to execute the crime as the sole person who can do it.

Even in that case, asking you to (do X, where X is the sole action of the crime) isnt chargeable as 'committing X'. The issue then becomes whether is an attempt or another 'form'.

An attempt is an action step in the crime, beyond preparation. That is if four guys noodle around over poker on how to do an armed bank robbery, and plan it out -- no real attempt has been made. The second someone boosts a license plate for the getaway car -- it is 'attempted X'.

There are some forms where only one person can complete the crime. Like, an insurance adjuster for a type of insurance fraud; a CFO or controller for an inside embezzlement or other types of fraud; an accountant for still other types of fraud; a securities broker for a style of lending fraud; Madoff making up books out of whole cloth. (i.e. see my examples above).

If the preparation has been made, then the action of the single person is completing the crime. That is the adjuster knowingly tacks on another zero to the amount, the controller issues you an improper check, the accountant makes the entry signifying there is a wholly different deal on the Nigerian barge, the securities broker tells the lender you have 18 million in AAA bonds when you dont.

Those steps are the completed crime. Asking any of the above to complete the crime is, by my accounts, beyond mere preparation. And in each case, what to me seems an attempt, is still mere words. But they are each a step to complete the crime beyond mere preparation.

Turning to Trump -- the preparation was clearly Eastman writing up the plan. And maybe extending to a group discussing how best to achieve the plan.

Asking Pence to actually make the ruling per the plan is directly asking the *only* person who can complete the crime to actually complete it. Trying to coerce him over the week preceding as wel. Or, having all the underlings organize the alternative slates of electors -- that is a step in furtherance of the crime, beyond merely 'talking about it'. Each of those is directly taking an action to complete the crime.

Back to your buzzsaw, notwithstanding the 'you' and 'your ass' issue, change it to him asking you to stick a buzzsaw up someone else's ass. If you answer yes, and then go to the store and get a proper buzzsaw, that would be all of: an attempt, conspiracy to, and on his part solicitation.

Hope this primer answers your question.

(03-27-2023 11:21 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 09:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  No wonder there are always lawyers on both sides of every dispute.

Watching the true crime on 20/20 et al, I am always struck by the fact that even 20 years later, despite whatever evidence has turned up in the interim, the defense lawyers are always sure of their client's innocence and the prosecutors are always sure of his guilt.

Tanq, if those words matter, what can I do about the guy who told me to stuff a buzzsaw up my ***? What crime should he be charged with? (I have a feeling I might be in line for a similar comment from Tanq himself).

Lolz. Not in sarcasm, I just chuckled at the comment. And no, that is *far* from worthy for a similar comment. If you want worthy go to the Spin Room last night.... lol.

First, *you* stuffing a buzzsaw up *your* ass isnt a crime. He is not asking you to commit a crime.

Second, the issue is asking someone else to commit a crime -- not just commit a crime but to execute the crime as the sole person who can do it.

Even in that case, asking you to (do X, where X is the sole action of the crime) isnt chargeable as 'committing X'. The issue then becomes whether is an attempt or another 'form'.

An attempt is an action step in the crime, beyond preparation. That is if four guys noodle around over poker on how to do an armed bank robbery, and plan it out -- no real attempt has been made. The second someone boosts a license plate for the getaway car -- it is 'attempted X'.

There are some forms where only one person can complete the crime. Like, an insurance adjuster for a type of insurance fraud; a CFO or controller for an inside embezzlement or other types of fraud; an accountant for still other types of fraud; a securities broker for a style of lending fraud; Madoff making up books out of whole cloth. (i.e. see my examples above).

If the preparation has been made, then the action of the single person is completing the crime. That is the adjuster knowingly tacks on another zero to the amount, the controller issues you an improper check, the accountant makes the entry signifying there is a wholly different deal on the Nigerian barge, the securities broker tells the lender you have 18 million in AAA bonds when you dont.

Those steps are the completed crime. Asking any of the above to complete the crime is, by my accounts, beyond mere preparation. And in each case, what to me seems an attempt, is still mere words. But they are each a step to complete the crime beyond mere preparation.

Turning to Trump -- the preparation was clearly Eastman writing up the plan. And maybe extending to a group discussing how best to achieve the plan.

Asking Pence to actually make the ruling per the plan is directly asking the *only* person who can complete the crime to actually complete it. Trying to coerce him over the week preceding as wel. Or, having all the underlings organize the alternative slates of electors -- that is a step in furtherance of the crime, beyond merely 'talking about it'. Each of those is directly taking an action to complete the crime.

Back to your buzzsaw, notwithstanding the 'you' and 'your ass' issue, change it to him asking you to stick a buzzsaw up someone else's ass. If you answer yes, and then go to the store and get a proper buzzsaw, that would be all of: an attempt, conspiracy to, and on his part solicitation.

Hope this primer answers your question.

I guess it is a good thing I did not become a lawyer, an action I contemplated briefly. My eyes crossed and my mind fuzzed halfway down. But thanks for the attempt.

I just think this - any course of action that puts Democrats in any way in control of any branch of government is, in the long run, bad for the country. Even if the course of action is technically correct and beneficial in the short run. You may (or may not)be technically correct. But giving the country to the Democrats to keep it away from Trump is worse for all of us in the long run.

JMHO.


Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

(03-27-2023 01:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 11:21 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 09:49 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  No wonder there are always lawyers on both sides of every dispute.

Watching the true crime on 20/20 et al, I am always struck by the fact that even 20 years later, despite whatever evidence has turned up in the interim, the defense lawyers are always sure of their client's innocence and the prosecutors are always sure of his guilt.

Tanq, if those words matter, what can I do about the guy who told me to stuff a buzzsaw up my ***? What crime should he be charged with? (I have a feeling I might be in line for a similar comment from Tanq himself).

Lolz. Not in sarcasm, I just chuckled at the comment. And no, that is *far* from worthy for a similar comment. If you want worthy go to the Spin Room last night.... lol.

First, *you* stuffing a buzzsaw up *your* ass isnt a crime. He is not asking you to commit a crime.

Second, the issue is asking someone else to commit a crime -- not just commit a crime but to execute the crime as the sole person who can do it.

Even in that case, asking you to (do X, where X is the sole action of the crime) isnt chargeable as 'committing X'. The issue then becomes whether is an attempt or another 'form'.

An attempt is an action step in the crime, beyond preparation. That is if four guys noodle around over poker on how to do an armed bank robbery, and plan it out -- no real attempt has been made. The second someone boosts a license plate for the getaway car -- it is 'attempted X'.

There are some forms where only one person can complete the crime. Like, an insurance adjuster for a type of insurance fraud; a CFO or controller for an inside embezzlement or other types of fraud; an accountant for still other types of fraud; a securities broker for a style of lending fraud; Madoff making up books out of whole cloth. (i.e. see my examples above).

If the preparation has been made, then the action of the single person is completing the crime. That is the adjuster knowingly tacks on another zero to the amount, the controller issues you an improper check, the accountant makes the entry signifying there is a wholly different deal on the Nigerian barge, the securities broker tells the lender you have 18 million in AAA bonds when you dont.

Those steps are the completed crime. Asking any of the above to complete the crime is, by my accounts, beyond mere preparation. And in each case, what to me seems an attempt, is still mere words. But they are each a step to complete the crime beyond mere preparation.

Turning to Trump -- the preparation was clearly Eastman writing up the plan. And maybe extending to a group discussing how best to achieve the plan.

Asking Pence to actually make the ruling per the plan is directly asking the *only* person who can complete the crime to actually complete it. Trying to coerce him over the week preceding as wel. Or, having all the underlings organize the alternative slates of electors -- that is a step in furtherance of the crime, beyond merely 'talking about it'. Each of those is directly taking an action to complete the crime.

Back to your buzzsaw, notwithstanding the 'you' and 'your ass' issue, change it to him asking you to stick a buzzsaw up someone else's ass. If you answer yes, and then go to the store and get a proper buzzsaw, that would be all of: an attempt, conspiracy to, and on his part solicitation.

Hope this primer answers your question.

I guess it is a good thing I did not become a lawyer, an action I contemplated briefly. My eyes crossed and my mind fuzzed halfway down. But thanks for the attempt.

I just think this - any course of action that puts Democrats in any way in control of any branch of government is, in the long run, bad for the country. Even if the course of action is technically correct and beneficial in the short run. You may (or may not)be technically correct. But giving the country to the Democrats to keep it away from Trump is worse for all of us in the long run.

JMHO.


Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 01:11 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Now for something a little (IMO) amusing...

Last night I saw a man wearing the following t-shirt:

I want reparations from everybody who voted Democrat

I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think.

Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

As to the italics, you are a real grump.

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:33 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Really? You don't think that Democrats recognize how pissed off "the other side" is?
What makes you think they underestimate this?

I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

Agreed with OO....

And I'd add tax breaks/business credits etc for 'this' activity but not 'that' activity and 'bailing out depositors at THIS bank, but perhaps not THAT bank' to the list

(03-28-2023 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

The best jokes have a hint of reality in them.

It wouldn't be funny to make jokes about being a hen-pecked husband if no wives hen-pecked their husbands

(03-28-2023 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 02:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I think its more of a 'I have demonstrable damages' as opposed to simply being 'pissed off'.

Its a joke apparently, but I think a lot of people feel that there have been direct costs tied specifically to decisions made by the administration

Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

As to the italics, you are a real grump.

I kept it generic. You come after me personally.

But, yes, I do feel grumpy when I look at how my retirement funds have tumbled since 1/21/21, or how much my COL has risen since then, or how much my land value has dropped in the last two years. I can see these things as direct effects of specific government polices under Biden. Apparently I am not alone in this.

(03-28-2023 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 03:32 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Reparations for a bad economy? That seems... problematic.

It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

As to the italics, you are a real grump.

I kept it generic. You come after me personally.

Kept it generic LOL. Yep... a total mystery to whom you were referring. You are ridiculous.

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-27-2023 04:57 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  It certainly can be problematic, but government does it all the time. Stimulus checks, cash for clunkers, COVID unemployment benefits, foreclosure moratoriums... the list goes on and on.

As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

As to the italics, you are a real grump.

I kept it generic. You come after me personally.

Kept it generic LOL. Yep... a total mystery to whom you were referring. You are ridiculous.

I did not point any fingers at any individuals. If you are vain enough to think everything is about you, not my problem.

Grumpy AND ridiculous? Having a good time with personal adjectives today?

I know a lot of people who are very grumpy when they visit the grocery store.

Aside: I visited the grocery store last night. I bought an item for $1.08. Back in the Trump days, it was $0.88. You'd be amazed at how that 22.7% adds up.

(03-28-2023 01:32 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:25 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:19 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 10:04 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 12:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  As I have said before, I think I am worse off today for decisions made by the Biden Administration in their early days. I know of few who are better off.

I think the country as a whole is also worse off for those and other decisions by the Biden Admin.

I know that guy didn't buy that T-shirt because he thinks the economy runs itself while Biden just happens to be the guy in the WH.

But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained.

I was responding to your "I think this feeling is more widespread than our Blue brothers think." and not so much to the joke FYI.

As to the italics, you are a real grump.

I kept it generic. You come after me personally.

Kept it generic LOL. Yep... a total mystery to whom you were referring. You are ridiculous.

I did not point any fingers at any individuals. If you are vain enough to think everything is about you, not my problem.

You love to dish out insults and then feign shock when called out on it. It's what you do.

I post an innocuous joke, and 93 sits up and takes notice. Starts a stream of personal insults.

I am not sure if it is all to defend Biden or if attacking me has its own rewards for 93.

Don't care much either.

But I am not going to engage at this time. I have better things to do, and it is a Tuesday.

Cya later, everybody.

(03-28-2023 03:05 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I post an innocuous joke, and 93 sits up and takes notice. Starts a stream of personal insults.

I asked you if you really thought that Democrats don't understand the anger towards Biden from the right.

Then you started the insults, not me. Stop gaslighting.

Quote:I am not sure if it is all to defend Biden or if attacking me has its own rewards for 93.

I think Biden sucks as I have made explicitly clear on this forum. I have literally said multiple times that I would likely vote Republican rather than Biden in 2024. So another swing and miss. I didn't attack you... I responded to your insults.

Quote:Don't care much either.

Sure.

(03-28-2023 03:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think Biden sucks as I have made explicitly clear on this forum. I have literally said multiple times that I would likely vote Republican rather than Biden in 2024. So another swing and miss. I didn't attack you... I responded to your insults.

But I'm betting that you voted for him against Trump in 2020 and that you would vote for him against Trump or any other republican in 2024.

(03-28-2023 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think Biden sucks as I have made explicitly clear on this forum. I have literally said multiple times that I would likely vote Republican rather than Biden in 2024. So another swing and miss. I didn't attack you... I responded to your insults.

But I'm betting that you voted for him against Trump in 2020 and that you would vote for him against Trump or any other republican in 2024.

Wrong. See bolded.

I wouldn't ever vote for Trump for President but as it stands I would vote for any of the other Republican front-runners over Biden-Harris.

(03-28-2023 03:54 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:49 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I think Biden sucks as I have made explicitly clear on this forum. I have literally said multiple times that I would likely vote Republican rather than Biden in 2024. So another swing and miss. I didn't attack you... I responded to your insults.

But I'm betting that you voted for him against Trump in 2020 and that you would vote for him against Trump or any other republican in 2024.

Wrong. See bolded.
I wouldn't ever vote for Trump for President but as it stands I would vote for any of the other Republican front-runners over Biden-Harris.

But you would vote Biden over Trump.