(03-29-2023 12:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:24 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:09 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 10:55 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 04:51 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Me three

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Jim Jones would be so proud of y'all.

In a Trump vs Biden scenario, my vote in Texas isn't going to swing the state.

If I thought it would, I MIGHT vote for Trump. It depends on how aggressive 'progressives' were in supporting Biden.

But I'd vote for ANY Republican but Trump in the primaries... because he brings out more left voters to vote against him than he does right voters who wouldn't otherwise vote.

This thread IMO supports that belief

Ham, with respect, you and the others live in a bubble so far removed from regular American citizens...nice for you, but hurting American citizens, families and children is all your attitude is doing. At least OO relates to regular people, and is willing to put their overall interest ahead of any petty feelings that might get hurt.

Yes, he is not a perfect man (neither are you, I or anyone here), and yes he willingly pokes at the Crazy Left and it's destructively harmful and often outright evil ideology and actions every single chance he gets. Thank goodness someone is willing to stand up to them publicly and unapologetically and call them out to their faces. He doesn't need them or like them and their poor wittle egos can't stand it they'll do anything to stop him, even throw out our country, our Constitution and all our legitimate citizenry just to keep their illusion and get their way. He actually lost money as a politiciain...how's about Turtle, Pelosi, Hunter/Joe Crime Family, Ryan, Cheney, Schitmer, Schift, et al?

Nope, most of America voted for an imperfect but steadfast man who had their backs 100% the whole time rather than the lying bought-off cowards and charlatans they had been presented with umpteen times before as they continued their grift and did almost nothing for the American Citizen but disdain them. Americans will gladly take their imperfect knight, dinged though he may be over the commies and the commie-lites any day of the week.

You, the other posters here, and almost all of Legal American Citizenry were doing so much better just a few years ago, but you'd rather spite your face and further destroy good solid American families and children. Got it. Your stated modus operandi hurts good American families and American children far more than holding your nose and pulling for someone who isn't perfect but who's election would help most all American families and children and put our enemies back into their corners. Your virtue-signalling is incredible. He brings so much more to the table than he takes away.

The problem is not that he brings more votes against him, the problem is the fraudsters that have infiltrated our nation and destroyed our elections are allowed to go unpunished and un-outed by the left and the collaborators on the right.

Almost no one in power has legitimately looked into or seriously attempted to find out or stop or prosecute the myriad inconsistencies, irregularities and impossible results...why? Because they almost all make too much money to look the other way and point to orange man as the scapegoat, when they know he's the only major figure that has and can stand up to them. They are very afraid of President Trump. That is crystal clear. And he knows it. and they hate it, and they hate themselves, so they take it out on America.

Most good legal American citizens would vote for a can of $hit over any Dem or RINO. President Trump may not be perfect, but he's far above the can of $hit-level people who are downstream choices (bought and sold already by the globalists and America-haters), whether his party or otherwise. And everyone knows it on all sides. President Trump is good for legal America and their economic well-being. Who gives a crap about his personality? personality doesn't put food on our kid's tables.

The POS Bushes and their leftover ilk are and have been hurting Americans and our country as much as, if not sometimes more than, the Dems...at least the Dems are willing to tell us openly they wish to destroy our country and freedoms. We vote for what is good for America. Bring on the mean tweets. We can deal with it, and our bank accounts and refrigerators certainly can and will prosper as well.

1) you invoke everyone else throwing out the Constitution as a defense for Trump;

2) in light of the attempt by Trump to short circuit the certification of the election in favor of the Trump plan to declare him winner in a de facto manner.

Brilliant!!! Lolz. <slow clap> Man, mark this as a GO highlight....

(03-29-2023 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:24 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:09 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 10:55 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  four

Jim Jones would be so proud of y'all.

In a Trump vs Biden scenario, my vote in Texas isn't going to swing the state.

If I thought it would, I MIGHT vote for Trump. It depends on how aggressive 'progressives' were in supporting Biden.

But I'd vote for ANY Republican but Trump in the primaries... because he brings out more left voters to vote against him than he does right voters who wouldn't otherwise vote.

This thread IMO supports that belief

Ham, with respect, you and the others live in a bubble so far removed from regular American citizens...nice for you, but hurting American citizens, families and children is all your attitude is doing. At least OO relates to regular people, and is willing to put their overall interest ahead of any petty feelings that might get hurt.

Yes, he is not a perfect man (neither are you, I or anyone here), and yes he willingly pokes at the Crazy Left and it's destructively harmful and often outright evil ideology and actions every single chance he gets. Thank goodness someone is willing to stand up to them publicly and unapologetically and call them out to their faces. He doesn't need them or like them and their poor wittle egos can't stand it they'll do anything to stop him, even throw out our country, our Constitution and all our legitimate citizenry just to keep their illusion and get their way. He actually lost money as a politiciain...how's about Turtle, Pelosi, Hunter/Joe Crime Family, Ryan, Cheney, Schitmer, Schift, et al?

Nope, most of America voted for an imperfect but steadfast man who had their backs 100% the whole time rather than the lying bought-off cowards and charlatans they had been presented with umpteen times before as they continued their grift and did almost nothing for the American Citizen but disdain them. Americans will gladly take their imperfect knight, dinged though he may be over the commies and the commie-lites any day of the week.

You, the other posters here, and almost all of Legal American Citizenry were doing so much better just a few years ago, but you'd rather spite your face and further destroy good solid American families and children. Got it. Your stated modus operandi hurts good American families and American children far more than holding your nose and pulling for someone who isn't perfect but who's election would help most all American families and children and put our enemies back into their corners. Your virtue-signalling is incredible. He brings so much more to the table than he takes away.

The problem is not that he brings more votes against him, the problem is the fraudsters that have infiltrated our nation and destroyed our elections are allowed to go unpunished and un-outed by the left and the collaborators on the right.

Almost no one in power has legitimately looked into or seriously attempted to find out or stop or prosecute the myriad inconsistencies, irregularities and impossible results...why? Because they almost all make too much money to look the other way and point to orange man as the scapegoat, when they know he's the only major figure that has and can stand up to them. They are very afraid of President Trump. That is crystal clear. And he knows it. and they hate it, and they hate themselves, so they take it out on America.

Most good legal American citizens would vote for a can of $hit over any Dem or RINO. President Trump may not be perfect, but he's far above the can of $hit-level people who are downstream choices (bought and sold already by the globalists and America-haters), whether his party or otherwise. And everyone knows it on all sides. President Trump is good for legal America and their economic well-being. Who gives a crap about his personality? personality doesn't put food on our kid's tables.

The POS Bushes and their leftover ilk are and have been hurting Americans and our country as much as, if not sometimes more than, the Dems...at least the Dems are willing to tell us openly they wish to destroy our country and freedoms. We vote for what is good for America. Bring on the mean tweets. We can deal with it, and our bank accounts and refrigerators certainly can and will prosper as well.

1) you invoke everyone else throwing out the Constitution as a defense for Trump;

2) in light of the attempt by Trump to short circuit the certification of the election in favor of the Trump plan to declare him winner in a de facto manner.

1) drugs are bad for you, but keep on as your blather/drivel suggests you enjoy self-abuse ....

2) Dream on with your fantasy narrative...you keep that RINO talking point email from the Bush operatives front and center, don'tcha', chef? You probally have it framed on your wall by now, pudnuh?

Such a Clown. But you hate it getting called out where people aren't enamored of you so you stick here to preach to the peanut gallery of your fans...Sad comedy, thy name is Tanq...so appropriate...LOLROTFF Vintage wing-nut...keep on going why don'tcha,' you're so clearly on a roll! ha! yeah, make me write bad checks why don'tcha' superwomyn? You know how, your the betamaster!

(03-29-2023 12:41 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:27 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:24 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:09 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Jim Jones would be so proud of y'all.

In a Trump vs Biden scenario, my vote in Texas isn't going to swing the state.

If I thought it would, I MIGHT vote for Trump. It depends on how aggressive 'progressives' were in supporting Biden.

But I'd vote for ANY Republican but Trump in the primaries... because he brings out more left voters to vote against him than he does right voters who wouldn't otherwise vote.

This thread IMO supports that belief

Ham, with respect, you and the others live in a bubble so far removed from regular American citizens...nice for you, but hurting American citizens, families and children is all your attitude is doing. At least OO relates to regular people, and is willing to put their overall interest ahead of any petty feelings that might get hurt.

Yes, he is not a perfect man (neither are you, I or anyone here), and yes he willingly pokes at the Crazy Left and it's destructively harmful and often outright evil ideology and actions every single chance he gets. Thank goodness someone is willing to stand up to them publicly and unapologetically and call them out to their faces. He doesn't need them or like them and their poor wittle egos can't stand it they'll do anything to stop him, even throw out our country, our Constitution and all our legitimate citizenry just to keep their illusion and get their way. He actually lost money as a politiciain...how's about Turtle, Pelosi, Hunter/Joe Crime Family, Ryan, Cheney, Schitmer, Schift, et al?

Nope, most of America voted for an imperfect but steadfast man who had their backs 100% the whole time rather than the lying bought-off cowards and charlatans they had been presented with umpteen times before as they continued their grift and did almost nothing for the American Citizen but disdain them. Americans will gladly take their imperfect knight, dinged though he may be over the commies and the commie-lites any day of the week.

You, the other posters here, and almost all of Legal American Citizenry were doing so much better just a few years ago, but you'd rather spite your face and further destroy good solid American families and children. Got it. Your stated modus operandi hurts good American families and American children far more than holding your nose and pulling for someone who isn't perfect but who's election would help most all American families and children and put our enemies back into their corners. Your virtue-signalling is incredible. He brings so much more to the table than he takes away.

The problem is not that he brings more votes against him, the problem is the fraudsters that have infiltrated our nation and destroyed our elections are allowed to go unpunished and un-outed by the left and the collaborators on the right.

Almost no one in power has legitimately looked into or seriously attempted to find out or stop or prosecute the myriad inconsistencies, irregularities and impossible results...why? Because they almost all make too much money to look the other way and point to orange man as the scapegoat, when they know he's the only major figure that has and can stand up to them. They are very afraid of President Trump. That is crystal clear. And he knows it. and they hate it, and they hate themselves, so they take it out on America.

Most good legal American citizens would vote for a can of $hit over any Dem or RINO. President Trump may not be perfect, but he's far above the can of $hit-level people who are downstream choices (bought and sold already by the globalists and America-haters), whether his party or otherwise. And everyone knows it on all sides. President Trump is good for legal America and their economic well-being. Who gives a crap about his personality? personality doesn't put food on our kid's tables.

The POS Bushes and their leftover ilk are and have been hurting Americans and our country as much as, if not sometimes more than, the Dems...at least the Dems are willing to tell us openly they wish to destroy our country and freedoms. We vote for what is good for America. Bring on the mean tweets. We can deal with it, and our bank accounts and refrigerators certainly can and will prosper as well.

1) you invoke everyone else throwing out the Constitution as a defense for Trump;

2) in light of the attempt by Trump to short circuit the certification of the election in favor of the Trump plan to declare him winner in a de facto manner.

1) drugs are bad for you, but keep on as your blather/drivel suggests you enjoy self-abuse ....


2) Dream on with your fantasy narrative...you keep that RINO talking point email from the Bush operatives front and center, don'tcha', chef? You probally have it framed on your wall by now, pudnuh?

Such a Clown. But you hate it getting called out where people aren't enamored of you so you stick here to preach to the peanut gallery of your fans...Sad comedy, thy name is Tanq...so appropriate...LOLROTFF Vintage wing-nut...keep on going why don'tcha,' you're so clearly on a roll! ha! yeah, make me write bad checks why don'tcha' superwomyn? You know how, your the betamaster!

(113 words, 674 characters)

I'd prefer that you address the set issue as opposed to a miasma of personal insult intermixed with generalized Alex Jones-level garbage.

Lets apply the personal insult filter (and being conservative in the result) to yours above --

Quote:1) drugs are bad for you, but keep on as your blather/drivel suggests you enjoy self-abuse ....


2) Dream on with your fantasy narrative... you keep that RINO talking point email from the Bush operatives front and center, don'tcha', chef? You probally have it framed on your wall by now, pudnuh?

Such a Clown. But you hate it getting called out where people aren't enamored of you so you stick here to preach to the peanut gallery of your fans...Sad comedy, thy name is Tanq...so appropriate...LOLROTFF Vintage wing-nut...keep on going why don'tcha,' you're so clearly on a roll! ha! yeah, make me write bad checks why don'tcha' superwomyn? You know how, your the betamaster!

Leaving:

Quote:2) you keep that RINO talking point email from the Bush operatives front and center You probally have it framed on your wall by now, pudnuh?

(26 words, 140 characters)

Pretty good first pick in reduction --- a removal of 76.99% of content by words, and a
roughly equal 79.23% removal by characters.

When further removing the generalized blah blah blah (which is bordeline ad hom, I might add) -- the full, non-empty content of the post comes to:

Quote:2)

Lolz. An truly unparalleled result in my book!!! Two characters out of 694. I might have to take some advanced lessons to match that, good sir.

But please, some more ranting if you might. This could get fun....

(03-26-2023 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  That being the case, what do republicansRINOs do?
1) Pray that DJT gets convicted of some felony, although I just don't see the evidence to do so.

looks like ya'lls agonna be waiting quite awhile...'grand jury' going on vacation...there's just no there there and they knows it...sorry Jeb and Karl go commiserate with your globalist overlords and try again, LOLZ!

ooooh Tanqlown sez it, so you KNOW it mus be tru! (ao ahead, pile on sheeplez!) I mean, you jus' can't make this Schiff up! Another comedy gold job, well done Capt. Dunsel! You so smarrrr...me impresse!

(03-29-2023 01:00 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-26-2023 09:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  That being the case, what do republicansRINOs do?
1) Pray that DJT gets convicted of some felony, although I just don't see the evidence to do so.

looks like ya'lls agonna be waiting quite awhile...'grand jury' going on vacation...there's just no there there and they knows it...sorry Jeb and Karl go commiserate with your globalist overlords and try again, LOLZ!

Damn, and I didnt get the new phone number for those globalist overlords. I am so out of the loop.....

(03-29-2023 01:02 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  ooooh Tanqlown sez it, so you KNOW it mus be tru! (ao ahead, pile on sheeplez!) I mean, you jus' can't make this Schiff up! Another comedy gold job, well done Capt. Dunsel! You so smarrrr...me impresse!

Still waiting on a non-ad hom, non-adhd-style, any smidgeon of substance style response.....

Just saying....

(03-29-2023 01:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

Over/under on hours/day that GO stares dreamily at this photo? I'm going with 1.75.

(03-29-2023 01:20 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 01:04 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

Over/under on hours/day that GO stares dreamily at this photo? I'm going with 1.75.

All in all, I'd rather go with a picture of Stormy.

(03-29-2023 10:19 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-28-2023 03:14 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I asked you if you really thought that Democrats don't understand the anger towards Biden from the right.

Then you started the insults, not me. Stop gaslighting.


I think Biden sucks as I have made explicitly clear on this forum. I have literally said multiple times that I would likely vote Republican rather than Biden in 2024. So another swing and miss. I didn't attack you... I responded to your insults.


Sure.

What insults? Where did I call you ridiculous or grumpy? Or anything else personal?

I think it clear what you did, despite your protests. It's in black and white.

"But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained."

The implication that I needed the very obvious/not-so-clever joke explained to me was an insult. And spare me the I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether."

You seem to think it is all about you. I think there are a lot of people who would not see the humor there.

Holy crap I literally just said "And spare me the "I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether.""

Honestly, it is laughable.

Quote: Mostly Democrats. Especially Democrats who think the President and his party hold little or no responsibility for the current economic problems. If the President and Congress are just helpless riders on the economic wave, why elect them?

In any case, you seem very thin-skinned and eager to take offense on anything I post. AND you go quickly to the adhoms. Always eager to do battle with the evil OO.

Luckily I have thicker skin, especially for a grump.

Thick skin is definitely not an attribute that I would assign to you.

ThickER. Just read what I wrote.

But I did use to take offense more easily. I have made a concentrated effort lately not to answer you (and others) in kind.

I think you have demonstrated that your animosity toward me guides your objections to what I say. It's personal with you, I think.

Bt when I post something new, it is invariably you who has something to say about it.

My original post on the T-shirt was #143. Go see who #144 is.

(03-29-2023 11:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 10:19 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  What insults? Where did I call you ridiculous or grumpy? Or anything else personal?

I think it clear what you did, despite your protests. It's in black and white.

"But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained."

The implication that I needed the very obvious/not-so-clever joke explained to me was an insult. And spare me the I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether."

You seem to think it is all about you. I think there are a lot of people who would not see the humor there.

Holy crap I literally just said "And spare me the "I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether.""

Honestly, it is laughable.

Quote: Mostly Democrats. Especially Democrats who think the President and his party hold little or no responsibility for the current economic problems. If the President and Congress are just helpless riders on the economic wave, why elect them?

In any case, you seem very thin-skinned and eager to take offense on anything I post. AND you go quickly to the adhoms. Always eager to do battle with the evil OO.

Luckily I have thicker skin, especially for a grump.

Thick skin is definitely not an attribute that I would assign to you.

ThickER. Just read what I wrote.

But I did use to take offense more easily. I have made a concentrated effort lately not to answer you (and others) in kind.

I think you have demonstrated that your animosity toward me guides your objections to what I say. It's personal with you, I think.

I don't have animosity, Mr. Thick Skin (lol). Sometimes you post stuff that I disagree with and I respond to it.

Quote:Bt when I post something new, it is invariably you who has something to say about it.

Rolling my eyes over here. Go look at your recent new posts and see if I'm consistently jumping in to comment on them.

Quote:My original post on the T-shirt was #143. Go see who #144 is.

Yep. Check out post #144 where I asked if you really thought Democrats underestimated the anger that Republicans have towards Biden. Oh the humanity!!! Somehow you got butthurt over it.

93, you like Trump more than I like Biden.

(03-30-2023 09:39 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  93, you like Trump more than I like Biden.

IDK. Maybe. Not sure though. What I have said about Trump that makes you think that? I have said that I think Biden is a disaster of a president and that I would vote for just about any Republican besides Trump if Trump is the R nominee.

(03-30-2023 08:12 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 10:19 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:14 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  "But yes, the t-shirt slogan is a joke about Biden's policies and the leftist attitude(s), apparently a joke some people cannot see the humor in. I laughed when I saw it. Didn't need it explained."

The implication that I needed the very obvious/not-so-clever joke explained to me was an insult. And spare me the I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether."

You seem to think it is all about you. I think there are a lot of people who would not see the humor there.

Holy crap I literally just said "And spare me the "I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether.""

Honestly, it is laughable.

Quote: Mostly Democrats. Especially Democrats who think the President and his party hold little or no responsibility for the current economic problems. If the President and Congress are just helpless riders on the economic wave, why elect them?

In any case, you seem very thin-skinned and eager to take offense on anything I post. AND you go quickly to the adhoms. Always eager to do battle with the evil OO.

Luckily I have thicker skin, especially for a grump.

Thick skin is definitely not an attribute that I would assign to you.

ThickER. Just read what I wrote.

But I did use to take offense more easily. I have made a concentrated effort lately not to answer you (and others) in kind.

I think you have demonstrated that your animosity toward me guides your objections to what I say. It's personal with you, I think.

I don't have animosity, Mr. Thick Skin (lol). Sometimes you post stuff that I disagree with and I respond to it.

Quote:Bt when I post something new, it is invariably you who has something to say about it.

Rolling my eyes over here. Go look at your recent new posts and see if I'm consistently jumping in to comment on them.

Quote:My original post on the T-shirt was #143. Go see who #144 is.

Yep. Check out post #144 where I asked if you really thought Democrats underestimated the anger that Republicans have towards Biden. Oh the humanity!!! Somehow you got butthurt over it.

Butthurt? Hogwash!

Of course I think Democrats underestimate the anger that Republicans (and others) have toward Biden. If they understood better and or were not so party-loyal, they would be angry too. Instead they either praise Biden or try to throw blame elsewhere, often on Trump.

So this is a great parallel: You got butthurt at the perceived slight that you were without a sense of humor. I could just as easily take umbrage at the perception that I don't "really" think that Dems underestimate it, since it is so obvious that I am too stupid to see what is obvious to all. Truth is, I don't take umbrage at all - why get upset if a person who I expect to diminish and demean me actually does so?


Physician, heal thyself. Seems you exhibit much of the behavior you profess to abhor in me. Plus some personal name calling.

If anything bothers me, it is the suggestion that Biden has little or nothing to do with the inflation we are experiencing or the effects of the rising interest rates used to combat it.

OK, now to another anecdote:

Just talked to a woman who has a solid six figure income. She just got home from the grocery store. Guess what her complaint was? Yes, high prices!!!

(03-30-2023 11:06 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 08:12 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 11:35 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 10:19 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 09:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  You seem to think it is all about you. I think there are a lot of people who would not see the humor there.

Holy crap I literally just said "And spare me the "I didn't direct that at you... that was just something that I randomly put out into the ether.""

Honestly, it is laughable.

Quote: Mostly Democrats. Especially Democrats who think the President and his party hold little or no responsibility for the current economic problems. If the President and Congress are just helpless riders on the economic wave, why elect them?

In any case, you seem very thin-skinned and eager to take offense on anything I post. AND you go quickly to the adhoms. Always eager to do battle with the evil OO.

Luckily I have thicker skin, especially for a grump.

Thick skin is definitely not an attribute that I would assign to you.

ThickER. Just read what I wrote.

But I did use to take offense more easily. I have made a concentrated effort lately not to answer you (and others) in kind.

I think you have demonstrated that your animosity toward me guides your objections to what I say. It's personal with you, I think.

I don't have animosity, Mr. Thick Skin (lol). Sometimes you post stuff that I disagree with and I respond to it.

Quote:Bt when I post something new, it is invariably you who has something to say about it.

Rolling my eyes over here. Go look at your recent new posts and see if I'm consistently jumping in to comment on them.

Quote:My original post on the T-shirt was #143. Go see who #144 is.

Yep. Check out post #144 where I asked if you really thought Democrats underestimated the anger that Republicans have towards Biden. Oh the humanity!!! Somehow you got butthurt over it.

Butthurt? Hogwash!

Sure.

Quote:Of course I think Democrats underestimate the anger that Republicans (and others) have toward Biden. If they understood better and or were not so party-loyal, they would be angry too. Instead they either praise Biden or try to throw blame elsewhere, often on Trump.

Is that what I do or nah?

Quote:So this is a great parallel: You got butthurt at the perceived slight that you were without a sense of humor. I could just as easily take umbrage at the perception that I don't "really" think that Dems underestimate it, since it is so obvious that I am too stupid to see what is obvious to all. Truth is, I don't take umbrage at all - why get upset if a person who I expect to diminish and demean me actually does so?

I was clarifying if you think Dems underestimate the anger Repubs have towards Biden. Then you got sniffly "I don't need to have it explained" or something to that effect.

Quote:Physician, heal thyself. Seems you exhibit much of the behavior you profess to abhor in me. Plus some personal name calling.

Which names exactly did I call you?

(03-29-2023 12:13 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Ham, with respect, you and the others live in a bubble so far removed from regular American citizens...nice for you, but hurting American citizens, families and children is all your attitude is doing. At least OO relates to regular people, and is willing to put their overall interest ahead of any petty feelings that might get hurt.

How am I hurting 'regular' American citizens by voting just as you would (assuming that you don't believe that your vote hurts them) where my vote makes a difference... and not where it doesn't, meaning it doesn't change the outcome?? Does it really matter if Trump wins (or loses) by 10,000 votes or 10,001?

Quote:Yes, he is not a perfect man (neither are you, I or anyone here), and yes he willingly pokes at the Crazy Left and it's destructively harmful and often outright evil ideology and actions every single chance he gets. Thank goodness someone is willing to stand up to them publicly and unapologetically and call them out to their faces. He doesn't need them or like them and their poor wittle egos can't stand it they'll do anything to stop him, even throw out our country, our Constitution and all our legitimate citizenry just to keep their illusion and get their way. He actually lost money as a politiciain...how's about Turtle, Pelosi, Hunter/Joe Crime Family, Ryan, Cheney, Schitmer, Schift, et al?

Here is the best way I can say it.
There are times and places where 'certain language' is appropriate and helpful, and times and places where that same language is inappropriate and harmful... and Trump doesn't seem to know the difference.

Quote:Nope, most of America voted for an imperfect but steadfast man who had their backs 100% the whole time rather than the lying bought-off cowards and charlatans they had been presented with umpteen times before as they continued their grift and did almost nothing for the American Citizen but disdain them. Americans will gladly take their imperfect knight, dinged though he may be over the commies and the commie-lites any day of the week.

How did anything I said do this? I said I'd vote for him if it meant keeping Biden or almost any other Democrat out of office?? But I'd prefer someone with most of his agenda, but less of his unnecessary and harmful bravado. What I mean by harmful is that he KNOWS that much of what he does makes him a target for attack... which leads to lots more people (I mean leftists/centrists) voting AGAINST him or his agenda than FOR his opponent or their agenda...

He is literally his own worst enemy... because his personality causes him to LOSE battles that I want him to win. The 2020 election being exhibit 1.

Based on his AGENDA, He SHOULD have won re-election in a landslide... He SHOULD have been able to sweep a Republican congress into power in 2018. He didn't, because of his personality.

If you want to argue that they cheated their way to victory, that's fine and I won't take an issue with that... but his PERSONALITY is what encouraged them to cheat and allowed it to happen, not his agenda.

Quote:You, the other posters here, and almost all of Legal American Citizenry were doing so much better just a few years ago, but you'd rather spite your face and further destroy good solid American families and children. Got it. Your stated modus operandi hurts good American families and American children far more than holding your nose and pulling for someone who isn't perfect but who's election would help most all American families and children and put our enemies back into their corners. Your virtue-signalling is incredible. He brings so much more to the table than he takes away.

Yeah... this just isn't remotely accurate/reflective of me.... and is in direct conflict with what I said. I essentially SAID that I WOULD hold my nose and vote for him if it mattered... but that at least as I know now, it wouldn't matter. To be clear, this doesn't mean he won't carry my state. It means that if I am confident that my vote won't change the outcome, then I may not vote for him. If I'm not confident that the outcome is decided, I probably WOULD vote for him.

So again, using things I've said rather than platitudes, please tell me how my position does ANY of what you claim??

Quote:The problem is not that he brings more votes against him, the problem is the fraudsters that have infiltrated our nation and destroyed our elections are allowed to go unpunished and un-outed by the left and the collaborators on the right.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with your first comment, I wouldn't vote for those people either. In my numerous conversations with Tanq on this topic... I have mostly agreed with your assessment that 'the swamp' is a problem and needs to be purged.... with the only caveat that 'the swamp' isn't a single universal description. In your simple one above, I would agree with that as being 'the swamp'.

I won't bother to address your last few lines... not because of what you say but because it doesn't really address anything I've said.

(03-29-2023 12:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And I think he turns away many people who might be otherwise inclined to vote for the agenda and then decide not to based upon his actions.

Couldn't agree more. His 'agenda' is vastly more popular than his attitude is.

(03-30-2023 01:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And I think he turns away many people who might be otherwise inclined to vote for the agenda and then decide not to based upon his actions.

Couldn't agree more. His 'agenda' is vastly more popular than his attitude is.

I am immune to his 'attitude.' I couldnt care less if he is an *******, or says bad words.

I said *actions*. And meant actions.

Trump's actions, and actions alone, have gotten me to where I stand with the 'no way Trump, ever.' And, I dont think I am alone in the 'immune to attitude, but not immune to actions.'

(03-30-2023 04:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-30-2023 01:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-29-2023 12:21 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And I think he turns away many people who might be otherwise inclined to vote for the agenda and then decide not to based upon his actions.

Couldn't agree more. His 'agenda' is vastly more popular than his attitude is.

I am immune to his 'attitude.' I couldnt care less if he is an *******, or says bad words.

I said *actions*. And meant actions.

Trump's actions, and actions alone, have gotten me to where I stand with the 'no way Trump, ever.' And, I dont think I am alone in the 'immune to attitude, but not immune to actions.'

Can 99% confirm at accurate - pretty sure Tanq and I had this exact same type of back and forth numerous times when I criticized Trump's attitude.

As to the thread subject -- the NY GJ apparently voted to indict, but the indictment is currently under seal.