(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Looks like some past Penny rosters with some local middling Memphis guys & now two sons. All of whom will get an inordinate amount of PT over more talented players. And unfortunately the talent will be young & prone to mistakes & inconsistency. Add an experienced big & PG from the portal and it could provide for a good, successful mix that wins a lot of games or a big potential for inconsistency, jealousy, dissension & loses to teams we should beat in a watered down league that will get no respect

isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

Someone will establish themselves.

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Looks like some past Penny rosters with some local middling Memphis guys & now two sons. All of whom will get an inordinate amount of PT over more talented players. And unfortunately the talent will be young & prone to mistakes & inconsistency. Add an experienced big & PG from the portal and it could provide for a good, successful mix that wins a lot of games or a big potential for inconsistency, jealousy, dissension & loses to teams we should beat in a watered down league that will get no respect

isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Looks like some past Penny rosters with some local middling Memphis guys & now two sons. All of whom will get an inordinate amount of PT over more talented players. And unfortunately the talent will be young & prone to mistakes & inconsistency. Add an experienced big & PG from the portal and it could provide for a good, successful mix that wins a lot of games or a big potential for inconsistency, jealousy, dissension & loses to teams we should beat in a watered down league that will get no respect

isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Looks like some past Penny rosters with some local middling Memphis guys & now two sons. All of whom will get an inordinate amount of PT over more talented players. And unfortunately the talent will be young & prone to mistakes & inconsistency. Add an experienced big & PG from the portal and it could provide for a good, successful mix that wins a lot of games or a big potential for inconsistency, jealousy, dissension & loses to teams we should beat in a watered down league that will get no respect

isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

We have a combo guard that is highly skilled coming, in Mikey Williams and a dynamic point guard in Ty-Laur Johnson.

I’m not worried in the least bit about Penny getting great talent. And I’m not worried about next year’s roster at all.

(03-19-2023 02:52 PM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-19-2023 02:42 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I’m very concerned about the roster we are bringing in.

Our most senior player (Malcolm) hasn’t demonstrated any leadership potential.

Mikey Williams has way more red flags coming in than Emoni Bates ever did. Even if you bring in a transfer veteran, Williams wants to run the show.

I have a strong feeling we are going to have a lot of drama next season

Lmao

I have a strong feeling you will be wrong.

I second that emotion.

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 01:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Looks like some past Penny rosters with some local middling Memphis guys & now two sons. All of whom will get an inordinate amount of PT over more talented players. And unfortunately the talent will be young & prone to mistakes & inconsistency. Add an experienced big & PG from the portal and it could provide for a good, successful mix that wins a lot of games or a big potential for inconsistency, jealousy, dissension & loses to teams we should beat in a watered down league that will get no respect

isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

Plus, Penny said himself that one reason he went after KD was to lure DeAndre back for another year.
There are things I worry about. Penny’s ability to spot, land, and develop talent is not one of them.

(03-21-2023 08:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-20-2023 09:42 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  isn't Ashton a four-star recruit? I hope he does get PT. I think you're just still mad from the game...I get it, crap call cost Memphis a Sweet 16. It is what it is.

Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

Plus, Penny said himself that one reason he went after KD was to lure DeAndre back for another year.
There are things I worry about. Penny’s ability to spot, land, and develop talent is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, who would you say Penny has developed? It is becoming a growing concern with me. Deandre and KD transfered in playing at a high lvl. The players who have been with Penny the longest (Malco and ALo) havent improved very much from the first time they stepped onto the court wearing Memphis uniforms. Other guys transferred out and didnt really show much while they were here.

I am not saying he cant develop talent, but so far I dont think there have been many examples of Penny developing a player.

(03-21-2023 08:57 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

Plus, Penny said himself that one reason he went after KD was to lure DeAndre back for another year.
There are things I worry about. Penny’s ability to spot, land, and develop talent is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, who would you say Penny has developed? It is becoming a growing concern with me. Deandre and KD transfered in playing at a high lvl. The players who have been with Penny the longest (Malco and ALo) havent improved very much from the first time they stepped onto the court wearing Memphis uniforms. Other guys transferred out and didnt really show much while they were here.

I am not saying he cant develop talent, but so far I dont think there have been many examples of Penny developing a player.

I’d say ALo and Malco both improved in their time here. So did Lester. But you’re right. I think very few players are coming to Penny seeking to be developed into better players. Most of our guys are high level when they get here.
That might be a common theme in CBB these days: the players don’t believe they need to develop, or are too lazy. I suspect that has a lot to do with the high rate of transfers today-No one wants to EARN their playing time. If they don’t get the PT, they just leave. Now, The 5th year grad transfers-that’s a whole nother can of worms.

(03-21-2023 09:24 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:57 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

Plus, Penny said himself that one reason he went after KD was to lure DeAndre back for another year.
There are things I worry about. Penny’s ability to spot, land, and develop talent is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, who would you say Penny has developed? It is becoming a growing concern with me. Deandre and KD transfered in playing at a high lvl. The players who have been with Penny the longest (Malco and ALo) havent improved very much from the first time they stepped onto the court wearing Memphis uniforms. Other guys transferred out and didnt really show much while they were here.

I am not saying he cant develop talent, but so far I dont think there have been many examples of Penny developing a player.

I’d say ALo and Malco both improved in their time here. So did Lester. But you’re right. I think very few players are coming to Penny seeking to be developed into better players. Most of our guys are high level when they get here.
That might be a common theme in CBB these days: the players don’t believe they need to develop, or are too lazy. I suspect that has a lot to do with the high rate of transfers today-No one wants to EARN their playing time. If they don’t get the PT, they just leave. Now, The 5th year grad transfers-that’s a whole nother can of worms.

I like to listen to the players specifically when they are talking about Penny. Precious, Lester, Duren, Wiseman, DeAndre, and KD all have high praise for what Penny teaches them and how he’s helped them improve their games.

I’ve been fortunate enough to attend two practices since Penny became the coach. And what I saw was how detailed his practices are. He is constantly teaching. Such as, how to better come off screens and how use your body to protect the ball with good spacing. How to receive passes and how to pass it to a teammate that is posted up. He is extremely organized and he goes over the stuff several times.

Penny needs to replace Deandre and KD.. Just a bring a nice big, and one experienced guard.. The rest is NOISE.

(03-21-2023 09:46 AM)passat25 Wrote:  Penny needs to replace Deandre and KD.. Just a bring a nice big, and one experienced guard.. The rest is NOISE.

You ain’t replacing those two. Just needs to get an aggregate of shooters , rebounders and passers

Malcolm definitely improved offensively. His effort/drive is his only hinderance.

I will say every player improves on defense under Penny. Not only as individuals, but learning to play individual man to man defense in a team defense. No doubt, not only Penny but having Larry Brown here had to have real effects. I have heard all the players talking about their improvement while learning from Penny. At the same time, on the offensive end, so far (to me) most of the players havent seemed to have improved much over their time here. Unfortunately, because of the transfer situation and other reasons, we havent had many players who started out getting minutes as a freshman and stayed here through their eligibility to see the payoffs.

(03-21-2023 11:15 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I will say every player improves on defense under Penny. Not only as individuals, but learning to play individual man to man defense in a team defense. No doubt, not only Penny but having Larry Brown here had to have real effects. I have heard all the players talking about their improvement while learning from Penny. At the same time, on the offensive end, so far (to me) most of the players havent seemed to have improved much over their time here. Unfortunately, because of the transfer situation and other reasons, we havent had many players who started out getting minutes as a freshman and stayed here through their eligibility to see the payoffs.

Improving shooting is something that needs to be done in the offseason. 500 3s a day

(03-18-2023 06:59 PM)passat25 Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 06:56 PM)Tiger_Lurch Wrote:  Is Kennedy done or does he have year of eligibility left?

He is done.. I don't want him back either.. How he broke his hand SMH

Punching a wall was childish and selfish, he knows that now. He has a year of eligibility left and he knows Penny's system and the Tigers need his deep shot making.

(03-18-2023 09:27 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Doesn’t matter who our roster is comprised of next year. We aren’t going to the tournament unless we win the conf championship next year or the year after. This was our best shot for a while.

Really?! The American will be very good, very competitive for the foreseeable future. Should be a 2 to 3 bid conference going forward.

(03-19-2023 06:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 09:27 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Doesn’t matter who our roster is comprised of next year. We aren’t going to the tournament unless we win the conf championship next year or the year after. This was our best shot for a while.

It will be the same as every other year in the Penny era. We will win against a team or two that gives us hope, we will lose to a team or two that completely demoralizes us. We will be mentioned whenever they are talking about bubble teams. We will either slide in with our fingers crossed or we will be playing in the NIT. That is where our program is now, and that is where Penny is as a coach. Bubble.

Let's remember how stupid you were when you said this the next time you think of yourself as a basketball analyst.

(03-21-2023 04:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(03-19-2023 06:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 09:27 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Doesn’t matter who our roster is comprised of next year. We aren’t going to the tournament unless we win the conf championship next year or the year after. This was our best shot for a while.

It will be the same as every other year in the Penny era. We will win against a team or two that gives us hope, we will lose to a team or two that completely demoralizes us. We will be mentioned whenever they are talking about bubble teams. We will either slide in with our fingers crossed or we will be playing in the NIT. That is where our program is now, and that is where Penny is as a coach. Bubble.

Let's remember how stupid you were when you said this the next time you think of yourself as a basketball analyst.

Based upon observations of 5 yrs, I'd say memtigbb is correct but I'm hoping it doesn't continue & Penny begins to produce consistent UH-level AAC teams going forward. But he'll have to over-achieve in the tourney for several yrs like UH has to accomplish it because the AAC will be less appreciated for it's MBB going forward than any time since its founding. And this year's loss to FAU didn't help.

(03-21-2023 05:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 04:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(03-19-2023 06:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-18-2023 09:27 PM)tigerpride96 Wrote:  Doesn’t matter who our roster is comprised of next year. We aren’t going to the tournament unless we win the conf championship next year or the year after. This was our best shot for a while.

It will be the same as every other year in the Penny era. We will win against a team or two that gives us hope, we will lose to a team or two that completely demoralizes us. We will be mentioned whenever they are talking about bubble teams. We will either slide in with our fingers crossed or we will be playing in the NIT. That is where our program is now, and that is where Penny is as a coach. Bubble.

Let's remember how stupid you were when you said this the next time you think of yourself as a basketball analyst.

Based upon observations of 5 yrs, I'd say memtigbb is correct but I'm hoping it doesn't continue & Penny begins to produce consistent UH-level AAC teams going forward. But he'll have to over-achieve in the tourney for several yrs like UH has to accomplish it because the AAC will be less appreciated for it's MBB going forward than any time since its founding. And this year's loss to FAU didn't help.

Not everyone views the program that negatively. Me being one of those fans. But certainly you are free to view the program how you want to.

(03-21-2023 08:57 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:52 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:34 AM)Keith24 Wrote:  

(03-21-2023 08:24 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Forget the psychology. Ashton is a composite 3-star last I saw with a 4-star on one of the services. But hard to imagine a 3-4 star wing who is not particularly athletic to be a major contributor in his freshman year. Same goes for a 4-5 star PG/SG or two. Who's the go-to guy when you need a bucket, who's going to get a rebound, dominate inside? IMO, it's no one on the current roster for 23-24. Last time we had a #1 class we couldn't beat Oregon. It takes experience & strength not usually found in freshmen. Hope we find them in the portal - and hope they don't shy away from signing because of the Memphis guys & sons on the roster.

No one is going to shy away because there are Memphis guys on the team or Penny’s sons.

Penny is going to put together a very good and competitive roster.

You do realize while Alo was on the roster MEMPHIS never signed a real PG until KD came in as a transfer senior - and that before Alo decided to come back. You are naive to think kids don't look at PT as their number one consideration.

Plus, Penny said himself that one reason he went after KD was to lure DeAndre back for another year.
There are things I worry about. Penny’s ability to spot, land, and develop talent is not one of them.

Just out of curiosity, who would you say Penny has developed? It is becoming a growing concern with me. Deandre and KD transfered in playing at a high lvl. The players who have been with Penny the longest (Malco and ALo) havent improved very much from the first time they stepped onto the court wearing Memphis uniforms. Other guys transferred out and didnt really show much while they were here.

I am not saying he cant develop talent, but so far I dont think there have been many examples of Penny developing a player.

Precious was better at the end of the year, so was Duren, so was KD. Chandler, Alo, Malcolm has gotten better than their freshman year. Look at Malcolm's free throw shooting, his faceup jumper was money. Jeremiah Martin was playing better at the end of the year.