(03-03-2023 01:20 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 12:43 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 10:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 10:49 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Normal people don’t care about your social justice bullsh!t

This^^^

Most of us are just sick of it.

Not the same but on topic of yalls post

Keep it the bedroom they said... I mean wtf

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If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

Umm I really think leftists have serious blind spots or you are being a dummy on purpose, which one

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It's the latter

(03-02-2023 06:24 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 06:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 04:25 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 04:12 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 04:00 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Keep in mind these are the same people who think mentioning Marxism and social rot in the same sentence is conflating two separate issues.

Keep in mind this dude doesnt seem to realize that that age old issue that he keeps repeating as a mantra didnt quite hold up so well in the light of history.

Damn commies/ hippies/ dope smokers/ faggots/ MLK supporters/ Jewboy race workers/ Lefty screen writers.

That same argument that you cling to was used to describe the activities of every single group listed above. Didnt work out the way ol' Marx said, did it? I guess it sounds cool when you intentionally ignore its application through the US history.

Applying it to guys wearing dresses reading to kids is really funny in that context. But please keep beating that drum.

Yep, guys in dresses reading to kids is the APOCALYPSE for our society. THE APOCALYPSE!!!!

Man if I wasnt actually in this channel, I'd think you all were creations in South Park.

Oh, there's another one to add to the list of Damn commies/ hippies/ dope smokers/ faggots/ MLK supporters/ Jewboy race workers/ Lefty screen writers --

It *should* be Damn commies/ hippies/ dope smokers/ faggots/ MLK supporters/ Jewboy race workers/ Lefty screen writer/ South Park/ guys in gingham dresses reading to kids --- all the downfall of everything we know.

This **** is CLASSIC!!!

If you dont think or believe there has been slow rot, that started decades ago, and slow infiltration of leftist / socialist / communist ideals into every aspect of American life then there is no hope for you.

Hambone mentioned you are a "conservative"

Your subsequent response to this post will prove that... or not.

Max, my comment is specifically to the continued use of Marx's comment about destroying a system by introducing moral rot at the core.

Since he made that quote, that quote has been used as a rationale to discredit screenwriters in Hollywood, hippies in the 60s and 70s, dope smokers, gays, MKL was accused of being Marxist in his quest for civil rights, the 'Jewboy' civil rights workers who went to the South in the bloody decade of the 60s....

None of these instances of 'moral rot' led to the disintegration of the United States. Given that, I dont see a bunch of guys in dresses doing to the United States what all of the above combined never did.

My political stance is more libertarian, if truth be told.

Do I think that mores and social constructs are changing in the United States? Yes. Do I blame Marxism for that change? No. Do I support those changes? Many no, some yes.

I cannot stand collectivism -- to me that is the big force in Marxism. I am *strongly* in favor of individualism and individual rights.

Huge 1st Amendment supporter, huge 2nd amendment. Im also big on pretty much the entire set of the Bill of Rights.

The 1st Amendment allows a huge amount of stuff -- including a lot of messages I do not like or subscribe to. But that is the power of the 1st -- individual expression at its finest, including the right to hold some pretty twisted thought, and the right to do a number of offensive things.

There is very little in progressivism that I support. But, I am very much a liberal in the very classic sense of the term liberal.

I think the moral stance of this country *is* declining -- no doubt. I dont blame Marxism for it. I am not a fan of progressivism, and think the closemindedness of the left has gone peak stupid (shutting down speech they dont like and the related).

But, to be honest, I see many on the Christian right as similarly 'shut down' albeit not as deep and fierce as from the progressive arena, and in different areas.

But as to the original question -- I think the prediction by Marx and social rot has been somewhat discounted by the historical record. I think that comment is a pat cliche to rally the troops to what the religious right in particular has identified as their now new social battleground.

And in this thread, to reiterate, my sole concern is lbertarian in nature. Part of the Tenn statute is borked to hell and gone. I dont have an issue about regulating the highly sexualized action of drag shows with respect to minors. I do have a big problem with a potential outcome of placing 'innocent' persons in harms way of the law.

This one kind of holds a special place for me. In my first year as an attorney, I represented a rap performer who had been targeted by Texas state officials for obscenity issues based on the lyrics.

The lyrics were absolutely crude, repulsive, and offensive -- but repulsive and offensive does not equal obscenity. Overall, not my cup of tea, not by a long shot. But he was one of those example 'innocents' I have been talking about.

I hope that answers your somewhat 'take it or leave it' question.

I dont think I am true 'conservative' -- I tend to vote that way. Most libertarian types choose that vote since there really are very few libertarian type candidates or politicians. That may make it enough to be on your 'savable' list, or I might be sent to the 'damn him' list.

All fair points, I haven't voted for an R or D in over 2 decades.

I do believe the roots of Marxism are at the core of the slide though... and it all starts with the kids and the education system from start to finish. Their ultimate Trojan horse.

One reason I'm passionate about kids and this thread has struck a nerve. They are not pets, they are not tools, they are not a means to an end, and they are not political pawns. They need protection from the evils of this world.

Protection from freaks like this guy

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Tanq, hop on over to the leftist utopia thread and take a gander at my last post. You'll need to watch the entire 2 min or so video to get the point.



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(03-03-2023 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

There is a wide distance between hyping LGBTQ flight crews and "gay people shouldn't be flight attendants."

When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.

How does this personally hurt you?

If you don't like it fly a different airline. Or drive, since all of them do the same thing. There are only three mainline US carriers left.

Delta :
https://news.delta.com/tags/lgbtq

American :
https://news.aa.com/american-stories/ame...fault.aspx

(I don't really consider SWA a mainline US carrier but here they are too):
https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest...ment/glbt/

You already mentioned United. Better gas that tank up and get ready to drive. Or lord help you fly Aligent.

(03-02-2023 10:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 06:45 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 05:57 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  The fact that I think men wearing dresses are freaks does not make me a bigot. It does make you guys idiots though. You like men in dresses have at it. I don't, and you can't make me.

Probably you all wear dresses too. c'est la viec'est

And tanq, you can't insult me. I don't give a flying fk about your opinion. You're just an old rummy who has seen better days.

You can defend someone’s right to do something even if you don’t like or wouldn’t participate in it. The ACLU has gone to bat for a lot of people they probably don’t agree with. A right is a right, even if you don’t agree with them, which you guys don’t seem to get.

People have the right to participate in society even if you don’t think they are wearing the clothing that matches their gender.

No I won't defend someone's right to do something I don't like.

My God, what a STUNNING statement. And a complete slap in the face to every American who lost their life in war fighting to keep us free where we can do what we like, even if someone else may not like it. Wow!

(03-03-2023 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My God, what a STUNNING statement. And a complete slap in the face to every American who lost their life in war fighting to keep us free where we can do what we like, even if someone else may not like it. Wow!

Moron. Fighting to keep us free is not fighting for some mentally ill POS to groom children. GTF on you freak.

(03-03-2023 02:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My God, what a STUNNING statement. And a complete slap in the face to every American who lost their life in war fighting to keep us free where we can do what we like, even if someone else may not like it. Wow!

Moron. Fighting to keep us free is not fighting for some mentally ill POS to groom children. GTF on you freak.

Dude, your comment was very broad. And it was, yes, a slap in the face to those who gave all to keep us free.

(03-03-2023 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My God, what a STUNNING statement. And a complete slap in the face to every American who lost their life in war fighting to keep us free where we can do what we like, even if someone else may not like it. Wow!

Moron. Fighting to keep us free is not fighting for some mentally ill POS to groom children. GTF on you freak.

Dude, your comment was very broad. And it was, yes, a slap in the face to those who gave all to keep us free.

I will not fight for the right for you to cut off your junk. Bite me freak.

(03-03-2023 01:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

There is a wide distance between hyping LGBTQ flight crews and "gay people shouldn't be flight attendants."

When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.

How does this personally hurt you?

If you don't like it fly a different airline. Or drive, since all of them do the same thing. There are only three mainline US carriers left.

Delta :
https://news.delta.com/tags/lgbtq

American :
https://news.aa.com/american-stories/ame...fault.aspx

(I don't really consider SWA a mainline US carrier but here they are too):
https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest...ment/glbt/

You already mentioned United. Better gas that tank up and get ready to drive. Or lord help you fly Aligent.

If we want everyone to be treated equally then why highlight and emphasize our diferences?

(03-03-2023 02:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:01 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My God, what a STUNNING statement. And a complete slap in the face to every American who lost their life in war fighting to keep us free where we can do what we like, even if someone else may not like it. Wow!

Moron. Fighting to keep us free is not fighting for some mentally ill POS to groom children. GTF on you freak.

Dude, your comment was very broad. And it was, yes, a slap in the face to those who gave all to keep us free.

Yeah, free from subjecting kids to pornographic freak shows.

Pretty sure non mentally ill people knew what I meant.

(03-03-2023 02:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

There is a wide distance between hyping LGBTQ flight crews and "gay people shouldn't be flight attendants."

When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.

How does this personally hurt you?

If you don't like it fly a different airline. Or drive, since all of them do the same thing. There are only three mainline US carriers left.

Delta :
https://news.delta.com/tags/lgbtq

American :
https://news.aa.com/american-stories/ame...fault.aspx

(I don't really consider SWA a mainline US carrier but here they are too):
https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest...ment/glbt/

You already mentioned United. Better gas that tank up and get ready to drive. Or lord help you fly Aligent.

If we want everyone to be treated equally then why highlight and emphasize our diferences?

That would be a great point if people had been treated equally historically, but they haven't.

They are highlighting that they are being treated equally now. Historically an open LGBTQ person would have zero chance of being hired into the cockpit of a mainline US carrier.

93% of pilots are white, and 92% are male. So 90ish percent of airline pilots are white males. Do you think that's because only white men want to be an airline pilot?

Anybody can be anything they want to in this country. Well, except mentally ill people. You want a mentally ill person piloting a jet you're on? Not me.

(03-03-2023 01:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.
How does this personally hurt you?

When gender/race/sexual orientation become more important than knowing how to fly the airplane, and I'm a passenger on that airplane, it can hurt me a lot.

If I'm sitting in seat 14B, then what do I care about?

A. Your sex/gender
B. Your race
C. Your sexual orientation
D. Your ability to fly the airplane

Answer: D.

Atlas Air flight 3591 bound for Houston crashed into a swamp killing all aboard while being flown by a minority pilot who had lied about his terrible prior record, and had no business flying the airplane. If I'm on an airplane being flown by an incompetent pilot, his race/sex/gender/sexual orientation are all irrelevant to me.

(03-03-2023 01:01 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 11:46 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 10:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 10:04 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  No I won't defend someone's right to do something I don't like. Wtf is wrong with you? And please don't talk to me about the ACLU. The only civil rights those leftist POSs care about are the right to kill babies.

Well, that’s the difference between you an real Americans. We recognize that rights extend to everyone even if we don’t agree with them. “I wholly disapprove of what you say—and will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Since 2017 the ACLU has supported the constitutional rights of the NRA, the Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity Foundation, anti-Semitic protesters, Trump supporters, Trump himself, Republican challengers to a Democratic gerrymander, right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and conservative and anti-gay student groups. They don’t agree with those groups, but they defended their civil liberties.

You have the kind of attitude that paved the way for the holocaust.

Now, wait an effin minute.

Kind of an attitude that paved the way for the holocaust, just stfu with that stupid sh!t.

As opposed to fairly regularly calling others here 'groomers'? Just saying the hyperbole meter is massively high in both directions ----

Well I mean if the shoe fits

But even still, comparing errrmuhgerd being harsh or whatever you want to call it to drags queens to the holocaust is in of itself inappropriate...highly inappropriate.

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No worse than labeling people who simply don't want a bill to be overbroad as "groomers".

Look Barteet hates gays and the rest. That much is obvious and unbeatable.

Labeling him as equivalent to those who did the holocaust *is* stupidly way over the top. And labeling Elvis a groomer for not wanting an overbroad bill is just as retardedly over the top.

Potatoh, pohtahto.

Democrats/leftists have learned how to get what they want, piece by piece. Republicans, particularly the religious right, tend to go for the jugular and accept nothing else. Their my way or the highway approach dooms them to try to do things overly broadly instead of taking what they can get.

(03-03-2023 02:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

There is a wide distance between hyping LGBTQ flight crews and "gay people shouldn't be flight attendants."

When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.

How does this personally hurt you?

If you don't like it fly a different airline. Or drive, since all of them do the same thing. There are only three mainline US carriers left.

Delta :
https://news.delta.com/tags/lgbtq

American :
https://news.aa.com/american-stories/ame...fault.aspx

(I don't really consider SWA a mainline US carrier but here they are too):
https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest...ment/glbt/

You already mentioned United. Better gas that tank up and get ready to drive. Or lord help you fly Aligent.

If we want everyone to be treated equally then why highlight and emphasize our diferences?

That would be a great point if people had been treated equally historically, but they haven't.

They are highlighting that they are being treated equally now. Historically an open LGBTQ person would have zero chance of being hired into the cockpit of a mainline US carrier.

93% of pilots are white, and 92% are male. So 90ish percent of airline pilots are white males. Do you think that's because only white men want to be an airline pilot?

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

All you have is hatred and jealousy of others in your heart, so all you see everywhere is reasons to hate them.

Because your heart is filled with hatred for these people, you just blindly assume racism is the cause. You have no proof, no hard facts to point to at all. Just the same old long debunked liberal trope of correlation/causation.

(03-03-2023 02:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  93% of pilots are white, and 92% are male. So 90ish percent of airline pilots are white males. Do you think that's because only white men want to be an airline pilot?

The only statistic I care about with airline pilots is that 100% of them who are flying any airplane on which I am riding know WTF they are doing.

(03-03-2023 02:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 02:17 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:56 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:03 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  If you think gay people shouldn’t be flight attendants you are going to be waiting a while for a drink.

There is a wide distance between hyping LGBTQ flight crews and "gay people shouldn't be flight attendants."

When historically underrepresented groups break into careers (like airline pilots) that are dominated by a a specific gender / race / sexual orientation sometimes the business wants to highlight that achievement.

How does this personally hurt you?

If you don't like it fly a different airline. Or drive, since all of them do the same thing. There are only three mainline US carriers left.

Delta :
https://news.delta.com/tags/lgbtq

American :
https://news.aa.com/american-stories/ame...fault.aspx

(I don't really consider SWA a mainline US carrier but here they are too):
https://www.southwest.com/html/southwest...ment/glbt/

You already mentioned United. Better gas that tank up and get ready to drive. Or lord help you fly Aligent.

If we want everyone to be treated equally then why highlight and emphasize our diferences?

That would be a great point if people had been treated equally historically, but they haven't.

They are highlighting that they are being treated equally now. Historically an open LGBTQ person would have zero chance of being hired into the cockpit of a mainline US carrier.

93% of pilots are white, and 92% are male. So 90ish percent of airline pilots are white males. Do you think that's because only white men want to be an airline pilot?

Every group of people can point to a time in history where their predecessors were ill treated. If you continue to dwell on past injustices you never move forward.

I want to play in the NBA. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean you will be able to.

(03-03-2023 02:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Democrats/leftists have learned how to get what they want, piece by piece. Republicans, particularly the religious right, tend to go for the jugular and accept nothing else. Their my way or the highway approach dooms them to try to do things overly broadly instead of taking what they can get.

Thats because comprising on moral issues goes against everything the Bible teaches and is one of the biggest sins of Israel and the Church.

Literally the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation preaches the message of NOT doing this. If you read the OT, we never see where Israel or its leaders comprised on sin and evil and that lead to prosperity. Instead we see over and over and over again Israel and its leaders compromised on sin and immorality and it lead directly to judgment and destruction every time. We see that single theme repeated over and over and over again in ancient Israel. Its one of the most central messages of the OT.

Compromise on sin and wickedness sounds logical to the fleshly, worldly mind of men like us. But to God its evil, its a lie and its and a path to eternal destruction. We can see a perfect example of this right here in modern times. Enough Christians and conservative chose to comprise on gay marriage because on the surface it seems reasonable, but look at the path it has led us down. Here we are just 15 years later arguing over LGBTQ groomers in kindergartens, drag queen reading hour, chopping childrens ***** off in the name of gender identity and a host of other disgusting and insane nonsense we would never have DREAMED would become issues at the time.

I am just as guilty of this, I thought gay marriage seemed fair and the right thing to do so I supported it. I know now it was a terrible mistake and has instead triggered a exponential explosion of further immorality and evil.

And now our children are going to pay the price for our ignorance.

(03-03-2023 02:37 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:01 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-03-2023 01:43 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 11:46 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(03-02-2023 10:32 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Well, that’s the difference between you an real Americans. We recognize that rights extend to everyone even if we don’t agree with them. “I wholly disapprove of what you say—and will defend to the death your right to say it.”

Since 2017 the ACLU has supported the constitutional rights of the NRA, the Koch-funded Americans for Prosperity Foundation, anti-Semitic protesters, Trump supporters, Trump himself, Republican challengers to a Democratic gerrymander, right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and conservative and anti-gay student groups. They don’t agree with those groups, but they defended their civil liberties.

You have the kind of attitude that paved the way for the holocaust.

Now, wait an effin minute.

Kind of an attitude that paved the way for the holocaust, just stfu with that stupid sh!t.

As opposed to fairly regularly calling others here 'groomers'? Just saying the hyperbole meter is massively high in both directions ----

Well I mean if the shoe fits

But even still, comparing errrmuhgerd being harsh or whatever you want to call it to drags queens to the holocaust is in of itself inappropriate...highly inappropriate.

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No worse than labeling people who simply don't want a bill to be overbroad as "groomers".

Look Barteet hates gays and the rest. That much is obvious and unbeatable.

Labeling him as equivalent to those who did the holocaust *is* stupidly way over the top. And labeling Elvis a groomer for not wanting an overbroad bill is just as retardedly over the top.

Potatoh, pohtahto.

I didn't say he had the same attitude as those who committed the holocaust (SS, concentration camp workers, nazi leaders). I said that his attitude of "I don't care about the rights of anyone I don't like" is the type of attitude that paved the way for the holocaust.

The vast majority of the german population weren't Nazis. They didn't know about the final solution. But they went along with the increasing persecution of jews primarily because of the same logic Bartlett has "I don't care about their rights because they are different".