So the police didn't have the correct time?

(01-28-2023 07:29 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 07:20 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 06:52 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 06:34 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 06:08 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The outside security cam time stamp reads 5:04 am and the body cam reads 9:31 Zulu or 1:31 am Pacific. Are we to believe the SOTH'S security cameras don't have the correct time?

The capitol police run and monitor the outside camera from DC, the time stamp is east coast time.

There's only 4 time zones in the US. That must be the reason no one showed up when someone was breaking into the Speaker's house. 5 hour flight way. From what I've seen from the Capital Police, I wouldn't sleep well at night knowing my life was in their hands.

No, I’m right. Y’all aren’t doing the Zulu to local time conversion right. It was still daylight savings time and 3 hours earlier than DC at the Pelosi home.

Pacific time is -8 of Greenwich mean.

I’m going to need you to learn about daylight savings time and get back to me.

(01-28-2023 07:33 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So the police didn't have the correct time?

No, they do. PDT is -7 from Zulu.

Here is the math ---

On Oct 28, it was still daylight time. The conversion is Zulu to PDT.

Zulu to PDT is -7 hours.

https://savvytime.com/converter/z-to-pdt

Outside security shows 5:04 eastern -- eastern DAYLIGHT. That means the break in was at 2:04 Pacific.

Cop time is 9:31 Zulu --- Zulu -7 is 2:31 am.

All clear now? anything to generate an allegation of a conspiracy.....

Pelosi's attacker is proud of himself. The GOP emboldened him.

Quote:David DePape seems proud of himself. On Friday, a judge ordered the release of video footage that appears to show DePape beating Paul Pelosi, the husband of then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, with a hammer after refusing to listen to police orders to drop the weapon. The video is hard to watch, showing the suspect tackling Pelosi to the ground and viciously pounding him with a hammer while the police attempt to pull him off the 82-year-old man. Bizarrely, however, in a phone call to a San Francisco reporter made the same day, DePape's only regret was that the violence wasn't worse.

"Now that you all have seen the body cam footage, I have an important message for everyone in America," DePape told KTVU's Amber Lee of. "You're welcome."

...

DePape appears delusional in many regards, but he is, sadly, right about one thing: His pro-violence views have a lot of support from Republicans, both politicians and voters. While he took it to the next level, DePape was only acting on a correct interpretation of Trump's implicit message: Since Democrats can't be beaten at the ballot box, power must be seized through violence. It's a view that, while they often avoid saying out loud, is widely backed by the rest of the GOP. The party, after all, has gone out of its way to reaffirm support for Trump in the wake of the deadly riot he unleashed on the Capitol two years ago

I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

(01-31-2023 10:54 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Pelosi's attacker is proud of himself. The GOP emboldened him.

Quote:David DePape seems proud of himself. On Friday, a judge ordered the release of video footage that appears to show DePape beating Paul Pelosi, the husband of then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, with a hammer after refusing to listen to police orders to drop the weapon. The video is hard to watch, showing the suspect tackling Pelosi to the ground and viciously pounding him with a hammer while the police attempt to pull him off the 82-year-old man. Bizarrely, however, in a phone call to a San Francisco reporter made the same day, DePape's only regret was that the violence wasn't worse.

"Now that you all have seen the body cam footage, I have an important message for everyone in America," DePape told KTVU's Amber Lee of. "You're welcome."

...

DePape appears delusional in many regards, but he is, sadly, right about one thing: His pro-violence views have a lot of support from Republicans, both politicians and voters. While he took it to the next level, DePape was only acting on a correct interpretation of Trump's implicit message: Since Democrats can't be beaten at the ballot box, power must be seized through violence. It's a view that, while they often avoid saying out loud, is widely backed by the rest of the GOP. The party, after all, has gone out of its way to reaffirm support for Trump in the wake of the deadly riot he unleashed on the Capitol two years ago

It's pretty obvious he WANTED it to be recorded even from the videos. The "deadly riot" propaganda is tired. Only a protestor was killed.

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi. Unoriginal, scripted, and foolish describes most of what you post on here.

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi. Unoriginal, scripted, and foolish describes most of what you post on here.

Deflect, dismiss, both sides, yada yada, same old story, nothing is ever the Republican party's fault, everything is the Democrat's fault.

Sounds like you're pretty ok with domestic terrorism. I'd at least respect you all more if you said it with your whole chest instead of hiding behind obvious misinformation.

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi.

Who on earth labeled YOU as violent?

(01-31-2023 11:47 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi. Unoriginal, scripted, and foolish describes most of what you post on here.

Deflect, dismiss, both sides, yada yada, same old story, nothing is ever the Republican party's fault, everything is the Democrat's fault.

Sounds like you're pretty ok with domestic terrorism. I'd at least respect you all more if you said it with your whole chest instead of hiding behind obvious misinformation.

Guess you pulled that "ok with domestic terrorism" out of the same orifice you get most of the crap you post on here. What disinformation? The fact the person here had mental issues?

(01-31-2023 10:54 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Pelosi's attacker is proud of himself. The GOP emboldened him.

Quote:David DePape seems proud of himself. On Friday, a judge ordered the release of video footage that appears to show DePape beating Paul Pelosi, the husband of then-Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, with a hammer after refusing to listen to police orders to drop the weapon. The video is hard to watch, showing the suspect tackling Pelosi to the ground and viciously pounding him with a hammer while the police attempt to pull him off the 82-year-old man. Bizarrely, however, in a phone call to a San Francisco reporter made the same day, DePape's only regret was that the violence wasn't worse.

"Now that you all have seen the body cam footage, I have an important message for everyone in America," DePape told KTVU's Amber Lee of. "You're welcome."

...

DePape appears delusional in many regards, but he is, sadly, right about one thing: His pro-violence views have a lot of support from Republicans, both politicians and voters. While he took it to the next level, DePape was only acting on a correct interpretation of Trump's implicit message: Since Democrats can't be beaten at the ballot box, power must be seized through violence. It's a view that, while they often avoid saying out loud, is widely backed by the rest of the GOP. The party, after all, has gone out of its way to reaffirm support for Trump in the wake of the deadly riot he unleashed on the Capitol two years ago

If the victim wasn't named Pelosi this never gets covered by the MSM. Since it was a Pelosi it instantly becomes politicized so a narrative is there for the framing and you know, that whole never let a good crisis go to waste thing, goes into effect.

"The video is hard to watch, showing the suspect tackling Pelosi to the ground and viciously pounding him with a hammer while the police attempt to pull him off the 82-year-old man".

Unless there's a different video that I didn't watch that statement is pure sensationalism and propaganda for the weak minded. While no reasonable person can condone what was done to Pelosi, the video I watched showed no such thing. All that is shown is DePage lunging at Pelosi with the hammer raised, at which point Pelosi appears to move out of the camera's frame by quickly backing away and then being knocked to the ground. At that point it is certain he was struck by the deranged Depage even though the video doesn't show the actual blow being landed. The next time you see Pelosi and him together in the camera frame Pelosi is already unconscious on the ground and the police have immobilized Depage. All that happened in a span of 5-7 seconds. I never saw him viciously pounded.

Being hit in the head once with a hammer could easily kill someone, especially an elderly person. Being viciously pounded with a hammer would likely kill, or at least very seriously injure someone of any age; brain damage level serious.

Regardless, trying to pin the deranged actions of a deranged man on an entire political party is BS but not unexpected from those of you on the left.

(01-31-2023 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi.

Who on earth labeled YOU as violent?

The person I was responding to.

(01-31-2023 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi.

Who on earth labeled YOU as violent?

He's a conservative so just about anyone on the left who buys into propaganda like that which we see above?

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  I mean who hasn’t called the police, answered the door in their underwear with a drink in one hand and holding hands with a guy toting a hammer? That’s a pretty common occurrence

This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Quote:A lot of people on Twitter, desperate to muddy the waters around this, quibbled with the phrase "made fun," arguing that many of these people, uh, merely "asked questions" about the attack. This, of course, is nonsense. The "questions" were actually conspiracy theories, most of which were grossly homophobic, suggesting that the attack was something other than right-wing political violence. Nor is there a thick line between "making fun" and conspiracy theories, and not just because the latter often is accompanied by tasteless jokes. Both conspiracy theories and jokes are about minimizing violence for the purpose of sending the same implicit message of winking support — a message that DePage clearly picked up on.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi.

Who on earth labeled YOU as violent?

The person I was responding to.

He did nothing of the sort. He tacitly said you were minimizing violence by embracing conspiracy theories. That's a far cry from saying you are personally violent.

Tom is now a mind reading English professor. Is there anything topic about which he doesn't possess expert level cred? It's amazing.

(01-31-2023 01:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:05 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Tom is now a mind reading English professor. Is there anything topic about which he doesn't possess expert level cred? It's amazing.

There are a few:

Reality

Truth

Logic, its use, and the fallacies used against it by those who do not like its conclusions.

Why Faith is a protected right.

Self-Awareness

How to spot a Commie.

I'm sure there are more, but that should suffice off the cuff.

Apparently Google and reading are liberal conspiracies to make America's Patriots look like uneducated idiots.

(01-31-2023 12:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:25 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  This is getting boring, you guys' canned, unoriginal, scripted responses are predictable to the extent of disappointment.

Pot meet kettle. I grow weary of being labeled as violent because some mental case in San Francisco went after a Pelosi.

Who on earth labeled YOU as violent?

The person I was responding to.

He did nothing of the sort. He tacitly said you were minimizing violence by embracing conspiracy theories. That's a far cry from saying you are personally violent.

No, he likes to stereotype those of us on the right which he did in this instance basically insinuating that anyone who questions what happened is embracing violence. I haven't posted one way or the other on this but to insinuate this guy was pushed to do this by the right wing is stupid. The guy obviously wasn't all there mentally. It was assault.

(01-31-2023 01:47 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:35 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 01:05 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Tom is now a mind reading English professor. Is there anything topic about which he doesn't possess expert level cred? It's amazing.

There are a few:

Reality

Truth

Logic, its use, and the fallacies used against it by those who do not like its conclusions.

Why Faith is a protected right.

Self-Awareness

How to spot a Commie.

I'm sure there are more, but that should suffice off the cuff.

Apparently Google and reading are liberal conspiracies to make America's Patriots look like uneducated idiots.

It happens when you call propaganda facts, and when fact checkers are censors. And it happens when the publicly educated are too bereft of curiosity to source issues for themselves.

That's your world, not mine!