(01-31-2023 09:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  What price should Biden set for a barrel of oil?

He can't take credit for lowering if he doesn't accept credit for the rise.




I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

(01-31-2023 09:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Biden doesn't set oil prices genius

Right, he just sets the price at the pump.

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

What about!!!!!!!!!

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(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

I'm sorry.. WE don't give him credit when it goes down.. I'll give him credit when it gets back to the price it was before he was sworn in.

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

strategic emergency reserves, I haven't heard anything but have they refilled that yet?

(01-31-2023 12:11 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

strategic emergency reserves, I haven't heard anything but have they refilled that yet?

Member when Trump wanted to top it off when oil was at like $40/barrel and the Dems blocked it and now applaud Joe for want it to do it if it gets to $80/barrel. Gdunn remembers.

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

This is complete hogwash, and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the SPR.

While I never fully endorsed using the SPR here, what Biden did with it is PRECISELY what it was designed for!

(01-31-2023 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 09:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Biden doesn't set oil prices genius

Right, he just sets the price at the pump.

He's indirectly responsible for raising gas prices by e.g. shutting down the XL pipeline.

If he undid that he would be indirectly responsible for lowering gas prices.

It's really not complicated for intelligent people Tom.

(01-31-2023 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

This is complete hogwash, and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the SPR.

While I never fully endorsed using the SPR here, what Biden with it is PRECISELY what it was designed for!

Not sure I'd go that far. It's for emergencies, unless you think assuaging an election is an emergency.

(01-31-2023 11:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm sorry.. WE don't give him credit when it goes down.. I'll give him credit when it gets back to the price it was before he was sworn in.

He doesn't deserve ANY credit for when the price goes down, just as he deserves no real criticism when it goes up.

Any why would you even give him credit if the price did fall to what it was when he took office? He still would have had basically NOTHING to do with it!

When will you guys actually learn that the President of the United States does not control the global oil market or the laws of supply and demand?

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm sorry.. WE don't give him credit when it goes down.. I'll give him credit when it gets back to the price it was before he was sworn in.

He doesn't deserve ANY credit for when the price goes down, just as he deserves no real criticism when it goes up.

Any why would you even give him credit if the price did fall to what it was when he took office? He still would have had basically NOTHING to do with it!

When will you guys actually learn that the President of the United States does not control the global oil market or the laws of supply and demand?

Whenever you figure out a President's policies DO IN FACT impact energy and the economy...

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

This is complete hogwash, and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the SPR.

While I never fully endorsed using the SPR here, what Biden with it is PRECISELY what it was designed for!

Not sure I'd go that far. It's for emergencies, unless you think assuaging an election is an emergency.

You should.

Quote:The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), the world's largest supply of emergency crude oil was established primarily to reduce the impact of disruptions in supplies of petroleum products and to carry out obligations of the United States under the international energy program.

https://www.energy.gov/ceser/strategic-p...20program.

The Russian invasion and subsequent policies caused major disruptions and uncertainty in supplies. The end.

I can't help if you think the primary reason was to sway a few votes in a mid-term.

(01-31-2023 12:19 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 09:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Biden doesn't set oil prices genius

Right, he just sets the price at the pump.

He's indirectly responsible for raising gas prices by e.g. shutting down the XL pipeline.

If he undid that he would be indirectly responsible for lowering gas prices.

It's really not complicated for intelligent people Tom.

You simply don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about.

(01-31-2023 12:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm sorry.. WE don't give him credit when it goes down.. I'll give him credit when it gets back to the price it was before he was sworn in.

He doesn't deserve ANY credit for when the price goes down, just as he deserves no real criticism when it goes up.

Any why would you even give him credit if the price did fall to what it was when he took office? He still would have had basically NOTHING to do with it!

When will you guys actually learn that the President of the United States does not control the global oil market or the laws of supply and demand?

Whenever you figure out a President's policies DO IN FACT impact energy and the economy...

Skippy, I've never said otherwise. Of course they have an impact. THEY DON'T HAVE THE IMPACT OF DOUBLING THE PRICE AT THE PUMP!

(01-31-2023 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:19 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 09:59 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Biden doesn't set oil prices genius

Right, he just sets the price at the pump.

He's indirectly responsible for raising gas prices by e.g. shutting down the XL pipeline.

If he undid that he would be indirectly responsible for lowering gas prices.

It's really not complicated for intelligent people Tom.

You simply don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about.

No sir, you don't.

(01-31-2023 12:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm sorry.. WE don't give him credit when it goes down.. I'll give him credit when it gets back to the price it was before he was sworn in.

He doesn't deserve ANY credit for when the price goes down, just as he deserves no real criticism when it goes up.

Any why would you even give him credit if the price did fall to what it was when he took office? He still would have had basically NOTHING to do with it!

When will you guys actually learn that the President of the United States does not control the global oil market or the laws of supply and demand?

Whenever you figure out a President's policies DO IN FACT impact energy and the economy...

Skippy, I've never said otherwise. Of course they have an impact. THEY DON'T HAVE THE IMPACT OF DOUBLING THE PRICE AT THE PUMP!

You understand that if policies increase inflation which also increases the price of oil, then the price of gas goes up? You understand when an administration says no more leases, that also impacts the price of oil, because this is a commodity that's dealt in futures.

On top of that if an administration puts up more red tape or harsher requirements for permits that are already in place, some of these permits and leases are not worth it and therefore production or future production affects the price of oil.

See what you know about oil and energy fits on the head of a pin as I've stated before. Your screaming, name calling, and using profanity only shows how truly ignorant you are.. But please continue on educating us that actually know how it works on how we're wrong cause your head is in Joe's lap.

(01-31-2023 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

This is complete hogwash, and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the SPR.

While I never fully endorsed using the SPR here, what Biden with it is PRECISELY what it was designed for!

- Did he or did he not cut the reserves by roughly half (I lost track probably more at this point) - NOT Hogwash
- When deciding to use the reserves was the US in a war, or some other event that stopped the importing of oil - NO - NOT Hogwash
- Was the US using more oil than it had coming in? Were there gas shortages? NO - NOT Hogwash


Be careful Tom, we are one button push away from actually needing those reserves and a couple people who have an itchy trigger finger are pretty uptight at the moment.


The PRECISE PURPOSE for the SPR was not to lower the cost of Gas you nudnik...


The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), the world's largest supply of emergency crude oil was established primarily to reduce the impact of disruptions in supplies of petroleum products and to carry out obligations of the United States under the international energy program. The federally-owned oil stocks are stored in huge underground salt caverns at four sites along the coastline of the Gulf of Mexico. The sheer size of the SPR (authorized storage capacity of 714 million barrels) makes it a significant deterrent to oil import cutoffs and a key tool in foreign policy.

(01-31-2023 12:54 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 12:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 11:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-31-2023 10:24 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I know there are a lot of things out of his control on this specific item, but you can't take credit and pass blame.

Oh...that's ******* rich...coming from the crowd that blames him for price increases but doesn't praise him when they fall.

Ok then, cool with me.

Thank you Joe Biden for the only thing you did in an attempt to help the prices at the pump, and simultaneously weaken our ability to weather a fuel storm by cutting our strategic emergency reserves in half.

This is complete hogwash, and shows you know absolutely NOTHING about the SPR.

While I never fully endorsed using the SPR here, what Biden with it is PRECISELY what it was designed for!

- Did he or did he not cut the reserves by roughly half (I lost track probably more at this point) - NOT Hogwash
- When deciding to use the reserves was the US in a war, or some other event that stopped the importing of oil - NO - NOT Hogwash
- Was the US using more oil than it had coming in? Were there gas shortages? NO - NOT Hogwash


Be careful Tom, we are one button push away from actually needing those reserves and a couple people who have an itchy trigger finger are pretty uptight at the moment.


The PRECISE PURPOSE for the SPR was not to lower the cost of Gas you nudnik...


The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), the world's largest supply of emergency crude oil was established primarily to reduce the impact of disruptions in supplies of petroleum products and to carry out obligations of the United States under the international energy program. The federally-owned oil stocks are stored in huge underground salt caverns at four sites along the coastline of the Gulf of Mexico. The sheer size of the SPR (authorized storage capacity of 714 million barrels) makes it a significant deterrent to oil import cutoffs and a key tool in foreign policy.

I'll type this slowly, The. SPR. Was. Not. Established. To. Have. Oil. If. We. Were. At. War.

You quoted the exact reason why it was established, but sadly you don't seem to understand it. It was to protect in times of disruptions in supply. Covid and The Russia invasion of Ukraine and their change in their distribution threatened the global supply of oil. The. End.

Even dumber, I specifically said I did not agree with Biden releasing that much from it and that it would NOT have that much effect on the price at the pump. You're claiming I said the exact opposite!