I wasn't expecting riots. This situation wasn't racist enough.

(01-28-2023 11:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 11:46 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Racism is not one race pitted against another, although that is where it reveals itself a lot of the time.

You can define anything you want as racism, even something as stupid as chocolate milk. But trying to make 5 Black officers' beating a Black man senseless and ultimately killing him racism just simply fails the smell test. Five White officers doing this to a Black victim, or 5 Black officers doing it to a White victim, could very clearly be racially motivated, but trying to make this racism is lefty fru-fru bullchit.

Agreed; the racism argument pales as insignificant in this killing scenario. There is talk about the victim and one of the officers supposedly seeing the same woman which could have been a "point of contention".

We'll see what all comes out during the trial.

The bottom line is those 5 officers were fired fairly quickly after the MPD internal review, turned themselves in to authorities and are behind bars now. The protests were peaceful and without violence/destruction. We wait for the trial.

(01-28-2023 12:10 PM)boss man Wrote:  The bottom line is those 5 officers were fired fairly quickly after the MPD internal review, turned themselves in to authorities and are behind bars now. The protests were peaceful and without violence/destruction. We wait for the trial.

As has happened in most prior similar situations. This happened in a shorter time period, but that's because sufficient incriminating information (the tapes) turned up immediately. One lesson from situations like OJ Simpson, George Zimmerman, and Casey Anthony is that prosecutors cannot really move until they have the case pretty fully put to bed. Here they have their prima facie case on video. So they can move. In those other cases, the speedy trial clock started moving on them before they had all their ducks in a row, and struck midnight when they had to go to trial.

(01-28-2023 11:58 AM)maximus Wrote:  I see you got the talking points.

Geezus.

Only one poster has showed their prejudice based on others' race in this thread... redneck racists and all

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Well, they’ve called themselves redneck to begin with. I think setting up a watch party in the hopes that a majority black city burns in riots is not only ignorant, but racist. If this were Knoxville they wouldn’t have the same reaction.

(01-28-2023 12:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:10 PM)boss man Wrote:  The bottom line is those 5 officers were fired fairly quickly after the MPD internal review, turned themselves in to authorities and are behind bars now. The protests were peaceful and without violence/destruction. We wait for the trial.

As has happened in most prior similar situations. This happened in a shorter time period, but that's because sufficient incriminating information (the tapes) turned up immediately. One lesson from situations like OJ Simpson, George Zimmerman, and Casey Anthony is that prosecutors cannot really move until they have the case pretty fully put to bed. Here they have their prima facie case on video. So they can move. In those other cases, the speedy trial clock started moving on them before they had all their ducks in a row, and struck midnight when they had to go to trial.

In one of those 3 cases there never should have been a trial.....

Fla. law is CLEAR and when someone sits in wait and attacks you and beating your head against concrete. You have the absolute right to defend yourself with deadly force.

Politics instead of justice is the only reason that went to trial

(01-28-2023 11:40 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 10:28 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 09:11 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Imagine that. Immediate accountability and justice in the eyes of the law, and the widespread destruction you all were on pins and needles waiting for... Didn't happen.

You know damn well if this had been 5 white cops?..Memphis would have burned down last night regardless of the immediate accountability.

And yet, you’re wrong again. We’ve had protests in the past where white cops were the perpetrators and Memphis yet again showed the world how to peacefully protest.

I know this must be really tearing y’all up that you & your media’s narrative didn’t happen.

On the contrary. Im not hoping for violence like most Liberals do.

(01-28-2023 11:53 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 10:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 01:05 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:49 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:45 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand that, no.

It seems to be all race all the time with those on the left side of the ledger. That’s horrible and lends to the massive divide in this country.
The constant racial flames are fanned by the left. Constantly. This particular case had nothing to do with race, other than the fact that the parties are all black.
This is a terrible situation and we all feel for the family and the victim himself.

But don’t cry wolf on this one. Just don’t.

I’m not saying this didn’t have more to the story than cop vs. civilian, because the full story hasn’t come out yet. If rumors are to be believed, this was a personal vendetta that a cop got his buddies in on to basically put in a professional hit job.

But as a general statement, racism is not just one race vs. another.

Ok, you lost me there TG, If racism is not defined by race v race, then what is it defined as? Sexism is defined by biological sex, Elitism is defined by those with higher academic or social class v. those that are not in those classes, Marxism is defined as those that follow the teachings of Karl Marx. Why is this definition different and more nuanced to the left?
You know that answer, as do I. White supremacy and racism have such a broad practical interpretation because it keeps the money flowing, the media engaged, and the masses divided.

Thank you

Actually, there IS "colorism" that exists among the various races. It seems more dominant among Hispanic and Black people in the USA.

This explains why Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes COLOR in the phrasing "...prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin".

Race discrimination is treating people differently based on their ancestry or cultural characteristics. Color discrimination is treating people differently based on their skin color, but can occur between persons of different race OR the same race.

There definitely is a "second tier/level" of prejudice/racism AMONG a give race based on skin tone or color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimina...skin_color

Of course this exists. Ive supervised a predominately black workforce for 39 years. The racist comments towards those that are on the darker end of the spectrum are relatively common.

(01-28-2023 12:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wasn't expecting riots. This situation wasn't racist enough.

There's no evidence that this was "racist" at all. Of course that doesn't prevent the bare bone assertion that it was.

Both liberals hoping for a night of outrage & conservatives hoping to show a black city aflame were all disappointed last night by the restraint displayed by the citizens of this city. Memphis is a frustrating place to live but its also miles ahead of other places in terms of race. Memphians have been forced to deal with issues for decades that other communities, by virtue of demographics, have never really had to address. Good Lord we’re far from perfect, but minorities do have voice & representation in this city; and that gives hope & helps squash violent outrage.

(01-28-2023 12:41 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wasn't expecting riots. This situation wasn't racist enough.

There's no evidence that this was "racist" at all. Of course that doesn't prevent the bare bone assertion that it was.

I have a feeling we will find out this was personal..not racist. The first cop just came in so hot that it makes you think he was out for revenge or retaliation.

(01-28-2023 10:40 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 09:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  It seems those who are claiming this was motivated by racism are using the general attitude in critical race theory, knowingly or unknowingly. Other than the study of how race attitudes affect law and society it's not really clear what critical race theory is. (I've tried you can't really get a better definition) As such, CRT doesn't seem to be very "critical" of itself and it's assertions that the (social construct) called "race" and racism underpins our culture. That is, our institutions and way of life are "systemically racist." But since it's an assertion its thrown out there without any evidence other than disparate outcomes. That is if you have unequal outcomes then the cause is racism. The "race" part of critical race theory then asserts that since systemic racism underpins our culture even people of the same race can unconsciously be racist against their own "race" ----- and "race" is "social construct" (that is a made-up term used to categorize people). The theory part of critical race theory, as far as I can tell, is there to make it sound more like a science. This isn't science like physics or chemistry or even geology. It's really not even a science like psychology. It appears to me that it's a term used to give the whole idea a certain cache it doesn't have on its own. So at the end of it all you have an idea that's not falsifiable because it's based on conclusions already full born. A "theory" that explains everything and so explains nothing. A "theory" who's assertions are not based on evidence and who's assertions based on those assertions, also not based on evidence, allows you to say that this and that activity is motivated by racism.... Without having to point to any evidence of such. That ignores the wide disparity of attitudes found in a population of 330 million people. And ignores the positive outcomes of certain minority groups, like Asians or folks immigrating from India who have the highest per capita incomes, when making their claims of systemic racism.

So that's why you will hear people saying, without evidence, that the Memphis cops were motivated by racism. And if you deny this you are a victim of those same racial ideas whether you know it or not.

I am genuinely curious, which one of you is posting this? You really are two completely different people using the same handle, right? It has to be. One day you sound like a raving lunatic leftist and the next you are completely rational.

I don't fancy myself belonging to one group or another. I can think that Trump is a likely narcissistic psychopath and at the same time think that critical race theory is a trojan horse used to pull racial politics into the schools. Those two issues don't even touch each other.... Except in politics.

(01-28-2023 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Both liberals hoping for a night of outrage & conservatives hoping to show another black city aflame were all disappointed last night by the restraint displayed by the citizens of this city. Memphis is a frustrating place to live but its also miles ahead of other places in terms of race. Memphians have been forced to deal with issues for decades that other communities, by virtue of demographics, have never really had to address. Good Lord we’re far from perfect, but minorities do have voice & representation in this city; and that gives hope & helps squash violent outrage.

We should all be glad cooler heads prevailed last night. All it would have taken is one incident to trigger another debacle involving looting and violence in every major city. Mob mentality throw reason out the window.

(01-28-2023 12:21 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 11:58 AM)maximus Wrote:  I see you got the talking points.

Geezus.

Only one poster has showed their prejudice based on others' race in this thread... redneck racists and all

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Well, they’ve called themselves redneck to begin with. I think setting up a watch party in the hopes that a majority black city burns in riots is not only ignorant, but racist. If this were Knoxville they wouldn’t have the same reaction.

Oh we werent watching solely for riots. Local news gave us just what we expected. Activists with the IQ of mud, bunch of fat liberal chicks, some effeminate liberal men, all protesting for justice - which the ball is already rolling on in the exact manner that the system is supposed to work. But they are scratigizing today. Hopefully we get round 2 if the idiots on tv tonight. Like I said, local Memphis TV news is the best 30mi -1hr comedy you can find on tv

I already said if they protest peacefully, fine. If they wanna burn their own neighborhoods down, fine. Just keep it in Memphis and stay the F away from us in the suburbs.

(01-28-2023 11:30 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 11:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 09:11 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Imagine that. Immediate accountability and justice in the eyes of the law, and the widespread destruction you all were on pins and needles waiting for... Didn't happen.

Most of us suspected little would happen because msm doesn’t care when blacks get killed by blacks

The only reason this incident was even covered is because the police were involved. You could take 5 thugs from any inner city ghetto in America. Let them beat some other black guy to death and not one activist, MSM, Rev Al- none of them would say a word. No marching, no disrupting traffic (which actually goes against the “only peaceful protest” narrative), no chanting, no scratagizing, nothing.

Absolutely

(01-28-2023 11:53 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 10:23 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:30 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 09:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-27-2023 09:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I agree. The cops were over the top from the beginning. Im not sure I would not have resisted this arrest also. It looked like a gang beating more than an arrest. I hope these thugs go away for a long time.

Rememer, CNN's Van Jones said this was pure racism...What the actual heyl is wrong with Leftists/Commies? That makes zero sense, and his spin only made it worse. Trying to dialog with these Leftist-worshipping idiots seems futile. The poor guy is dead. Horrible to watch.

You understand that racism isn’t exclusive to only one race pitted against another, right?

Wait, what? By your "logic" it's possible for two people, or a group of people, of the same race to be racist against each other? GTFO with that psychobabble.

While I think this point is loony because I believe the point they are trying to make is this was racism because the white leaders taught those black cops to be this way.

There is racism among black people....

too light skin or too dark skiN

Except that is not the argument being presented here.

(01-28-2023 11:53 AM)boss man Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 10:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 01:05 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:49 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:45 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand that, no.

It seems to be all race all the time with those on the left side of the ledger. That’s horrible and lends to the massive divide in this country.
The constant racial flames are fanned by the left. Constantly. This particular case had nothing to do with race, other than the fact that the parties are all black.
This is a terrible situation and we all feel for the family and the victim himself.

But don’t cry wolf on this one. Just don’t.

I’m not saying this didn’t have more to the story than cop vs. civilian, because the full story hasn’t come out yet. If rumors are to be believed, this was a personal vendetta that a cop got his buddies in on to basically put in a professional hit job.

But as a general statement, racism is not just one race vs. another.

Ok, you lost me there TG, If racism is not defined by race v race, then what is it defined as? Sexism is defined by biological sex, Elitism is defined by those with higher academic or social class v. those that are not in those classes, Marxism is defined as those that follow the teachings of Karl Marx. Why is this definition different and more nuanced to the left?
You know that answer, as do I. White supremacy and racism have such a broad practical interpretation because it keeps the money flowing, the media engaged, and the masses divided.

Thank you

Actually, there IS "colorism" that exists among the various races. It seems more dominant among Hispanic and Black people in the USA.

This explains why Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes COLOR in the phrasing "...prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin".

Race discrimination is treating people differently based on their ancestry or cultural characteristics. Color discrimination is treating people differently based on their skin color, but can occur between persons of different race OR the same race.

There definitely is a "second tier/level" of prejudice/racism AMONG a give race based on skin tone or color.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimina...skin_color

Again, that is not the argument being presented here.

You're not wrong except within the context of the argument being presented by a couple of people in this thread.

(01-28-2023 12:41 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wasn't expecting riots. This situation wasn't racist enough.

There's no evidence that this was "racist" at all. Of course that doesn't prevent the bare bone assertion that it was.

And the sane one is back...

(01-28-2023 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Both liberals hoping for a night of outrage & conservatives hoping to show a black city aflame were all disappointed last night by the restraint displayed by the citizens of this city. Memphis is a frustrating place to live but its also miles ahead of other places in terms of race. Memphians have been forced to deal with issues for decades that other communities, by virtue of demographics, have never really had to address. Good Lord we’re far from perfect, but minorities do have voice & representation in this city; and that gives hope & helps squash violent outrage.

This ^

That may be the only political thing you've ever expressed with which I agree. Memphis simply does not react to racial issues the way other cities do. Now, if BLM and antifa had shown up in force there very likely would have been violence where none might have otherwise occurred. But since it was black on black I guess they saw the dichotomy therein and decided that it was too paradoxical to advance their cause.

(01-28-2023 12:44 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 10:40 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 09:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  It seems those who are claiming this was motivated by racism are using the general attitude in critical race theory, knowingly or unknowingly. Other than the study of how race attitudes affect law and society it's not really clear what critical race theory is. (I've tried you can't really get a better definition) As such, CRT doesn't seem to be very "critical" of itself and it's assertions that the (social construct) called "race" and racism underpins our culture. That is, our institutions and way of life are "systemically racist." But since it's an assertion its thrown out there without any evidence other than disparate outcomes. That is if you have unequal outcomes then the cause is racism. The "race" part of critical race theory then asserts that since systemic racism underpins our culture even people of the same race can unconsciously be racist against their own "race" ----- and "race" is "social construct" (that is a made-up term used to categorize people). The theory part of critical race theory, as far as I can tell, is there to make it sound more like a science. This isn't science like physics or chemistry or even geology. It's really not even a science like psychology. It appears to me that it's a term used to give the whole idea a certain cache it doesn't have on its own. So at the end of it all you have an idea that's not falsifiable because it's based on conclusions already full born. A "theory" that explains everything and so explains nothing. A "theory" who's assertions are not based on evidence and who's assertions based on those assertions, also not based on evidence, allows you to say that this and that activity is motivated by racism.... Without having to point to any evidence of such. That ignores the wide disparity of attitudes found in a population of 330 million people. And ignores the positive outcomes of certain minority groups, like Asians or folks immigrating from India who have the highest per capita incomes, when making their claims of systemic racism.

So that's why you will hear people saying, without evidence, that the Memphis cops were motivated by racism. And if you deny this you are a victim of those same racial ideas whether you know it or not.

I am genuinely curious, which one of you is posting this? You really are two completely different people using the same handle, right? It has to be. One day you sound like a raving lunatic leftist and the next you are completely rational.

I don't fancy myself belonging to one group or another. I can think that Trump is a likely narcissistic psychopath and at the same time think that critical race theory is a trojan horse used to pull racial politics into the schools. Those two issues don't even touch each other.... Except in politics.

In which you almost unfailingly show yourself to be a leftist. This time, since it was black on black, it's easy to distance yourself. I strongly suspect had there been white officers involved you'd be howling at the moon over it. Despite that I have to give you credit for your approach to this issue.

(01-28-2023 01:04 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:41 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-28-2023 12:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wasn't expecting riots. This situation wasn't racist enough.

There's no evidence that this was "racist" at all. Of course that doesn't prevent the bare bone assertion that it was.

And the sane one is back...

Fine. I simply made the observation that there's no evidence of racism... at all. Claims that seem to be being made in the media and even by a couple of people on this board. Baseless claims of racism .... Which is the hallmark of critical race theory. So if it quacked, walked, and looked exactly like CRT I suggested it might be. An idea that views outcomes through the lens of race and racism. Check. That doesn't allow consideration of all the other variables in the world that might have influenced or even caused an outcome since it already has that answer. Check. Hence the barebone claim without any evidence.