The FBS carrot is only being dangled to prevent more departures.

How do I know? SUU is a 15-year project if it dares try FBS. U-Tech could be less, but every time someone expects immediate rewards in a fast-growing market, they learn things from people who import their loyalties with them (you move from Kansas to southern Utah, it’s not as if you suddenly forget Rock Chalk Jayhawk).

Most of all, any rise you see in media contracts is designed to isolate high earners in fewer entities. They aren’t paying you for being FBS, they’re paying you for having Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, USC, and they’ll only take you down by half if you’re Clemson or Oregon. Part of this is also linear networks protecting what’s left of their linear offerings, but for that, there’s only so many time slots. Where is the money coming from?

FYI:

(01-13-2023 02:17 PM)unalions Wrote:  The new conference has a Wikipedia page now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUN%E2%80...Conference

(01-13-2023 12:19 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:18 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 11:02 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:33 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:13 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  GCU's 1st D1 AD was the AD at SMU and Rice before coming to the Valley. Lopes had zero and still do have zero want for football.

And? Obviously SUU does so your point has no relevance... You did with your AD what you chose to. If any of you want specifics, go talk to them. Publicly, they hired an AD that can help them move in the direction they are choosing.

SUU’s AD was at Nevada when they were already FBS. I really doubt he will be able to get funding in 2 years for stadium expansion. You know, since the goal is “2025”. Does SUU even sell out their stadium for football games? Does any WAC/ASun school sellout their games?

Who knows, but that wasn't your question. Your question was what did they do, not the quality of it. Now, you can get back to your negative b!tching.

So they hired an AD, which is a required position for athletics. Whoa!

Yep, you want some cheese?

(01-13-2023 01:58 AM)Pounder Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:33 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:13 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 06:34 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:18 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  How exactly is Southern Utah working towards FBS at the moment?

Good question, maybe you should go ask them. Hiring a new AD with FBS experience and facility upgrades would be a start though.

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporte...d-i-ad-job

GCU's 1st D1 AD was the AD at SMU and Rice before coming to the Valley. Lopes had zero and still do have zero want for football.

And? Obviously SUU does so your point has no relevance... You did with your AD what you chose to. If any of you want specifics, go talk to them. Publicly, they hired an AD that can help them move in the direction they are choosing.

Nevada? This AD does come in and get the state of Nevada, early on, to drop $11.5 million on the flagship school’s stadium to upgrade the high-end experience… and remove 4,000 “seats” from a 30,000-capacity erector set. Nevada went from a successful program (with Colin Kaepernick as well as one of the better mid-major basketball programs) to considerably less successful and less well attended.

For a school that’s anything but a flagship, a clear afterthought in a small state, and a gentleman who sounds more like (I watched video) he’s becoming part of the family rather than about to embark on a massive project, for all the things required, not seeing it. However, the stadium has a heck of a backdrop.

How much the new AD contributes to the FBS goal is yet to be determined, but that was never Whiny Butt's question or purpose to begin with. Time will tell what SUU does.

(01-13-2023 11:11 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 10:33 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:13 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 06:34 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 09:18 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  How exactly is Southern Utah working towards FBS at the moment?

Good question, maybe you should go ask them. Hiring a new AD with FBS experience and facility upgrades would be a start though.

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/reporte...d-i-ad-job

GCU's 1st D1 AD was the AD at SMU and Rice before coming to the Valley. Lopes had zero and still do have zero want for football.

And? Obviously SUU does so your point has no relevance... You did with your AD what you chose to. If any of you want specifics, go talk to them. Publicly, they hired an AD that can help them move in the direction they are choosing.

Did not realize reading between the lines was tough. Just b/c you get a FBS AD who is good at fundraising doesn't always mean it will happen.

Reading between the lines had zero to do with it. Getting an FBS AD doesn't automatically mean the fundraising will come. Like I said. You did what you wanted with yours and SUU will do what they want with theirs, if they don't get what they want from him, then they can fire him.

I find it odd that so many that have nothing to do with the WACASUN Football endeavors are so consumed with it. These negative Nancys are experts at defining what this Football Conference can and cannot do. While others just spew criticism about every aspect of it.

I was reading on another site and one of the posters stated that the current set of schools may not be the set of schools that moves up. He stated the WACASUN Football Conference is talking to other schools about joining. He didn’t elaborate but said there is definitely interest.

FWIW

You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

Yeah, there is just a tad bit of hypocrisy there. Both SU and GCU have been bitchy about the WAC expansion from the very beginning. They have never been positive or open to their new members. Instead, they are constantly self-righteous and negative. Why would that change now?

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

(01-14-2023 12:32 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

Yeah, there is just a tad bit of hypocrisy there. Both SU and GCU have been bitchy about the WAC expansion from the very beginning. They have never been positive or open to their new members. Instead, they are constantly self-righteous and negative. Why would that change now?

That’s pretty rich to lump SU and GCU into anti-expansion based on GCU fans and me. I was totally against adding UIW. You football schools wanted them. Why would two basketball schools want to add a horrible basketball program, time zones away?

Go back and find a post from myself where I was against adding SUU and the original Texas schools. I bet you won’t find one.

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

My post was dated 11/23/2022 and is under the thread WAC Football 2022.

(01-14-2023 01:40 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

As far as these discussions are going, knowing about the new league in advance is irrelevant but I just want the facts out there.

What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

(01-14-2023 01:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:40 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

As far as these discussions are going, knowing about the new league in advance is irrelevant but I just want the facts out there.

What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

There was a week before he said it. I was just correcting your misstatement.

(01-14-2023 01:48 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:40 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

As far as these discussions are going, knowing about the new league in advance is irrelevant but I just want the facts out there.

What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

There was a week before he said it. I was just correcting your misstatement.

The SFA coach is a representative of the football league? He only speaks facts? Why would a normal, regular sports fan, believe what he says is more accurate than a national ESPN reporter?

(01-14-2023 01:54 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:48 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:40 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

As far as these discussions are going, knowing about the new league in advance is irrelevant but I just want the facts out there.

What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

There was a week before he said it. I was just correcting your misstatement.

The SFA coach is a representative of the football league? He only speaks facts? Why would a normal, regular sports fan, believe what he says is more accurate than a national ESPN reporter?

I recall Seattle's Dollar spouting off expansion talk before it happened and before he was canned.

(01-14-2023 02:05 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:54 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:48 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:44 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 01:40 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Yes we did know about a week before. I posted an interview with SFA Coach Carthal and he stated the WAC and ASUN were forming the new FBS league.

As far as these discussions are going, knowing about the new league in advance is irrelevant but I just want the facts out there.

What about the week before the SFA coach said it?

There was a week before he said it. I was just correcting your misstatement.

The SFA coach is a representative of the football league? He only speaks facts? Why would a normal, regular sports fan, believe what he says is more accurate than a national ESPN reporter?

I recall Seattle's Dollar spouting off expansion talk before it happened and before he was canned.

I don’t recall that. Same question remains, does that mean fans were “in the know”? Because Dollar said it? Since you remember, what did he say?

(01-14-2023 01:29 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 12:05 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-14-2023 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  You call it “negative Nancy”, I call it being logical and realistic. If WAC teams are trying to fracture the conference, that does concern Seattle and Grand Canyon. What if the NCAA says you can’t have just a football league? Will SFA and ACU leave? That effects basketball, doesn’t it?

Good luck. Hope it works out for you football schools. In my opinion, I don’t think it will. Solely because of money and schools like Southern Utah being far from “ready” for being FBS. And hiring the AD fired from Nevada, doesn’t prove they’re preparing for anything.

What’s Seattle preparing for? Anything?

I wouldn’t know. I am just a fan. I don’t work in the athletics department. How would I know unless they put something out? Did you know about the WAC/ASun plans before Pete Thamel put it out? No, you didn’t.

It has been discussed for weeks and even months in some forms on the ASUN forum, actually. Lions1983 had the scoop on that long before they was announced. The peanut gallery over there clowned on him as a liar and propagandist. Until the SFA coach, and the APSU AD, and then ESPN, and you saw all the news outlets pick it up. He then rightfully teased he was baking crow pies for all of them with free delivery! Lol.

But, back to the point, if that’s your stance on Seattle, what are you expecting from SUU?

An interesting side note about Andrew Luck. After Patterson fired Rick Barnes at Texas, he had a short stint there. He replaced Mack Brown as well. So Patterson was fired after about two years, with two coach hires that did not meet expectations and for raising ticket prices and losing about 10,000 football attendees per game. On the list of possible new hires for Texas AD was reported to be Andrew Luck. He was not picked but was apparently under serious consideration.