(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you aren’t voting for me you aren’t blCk. - Joe Biden

Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

Respectfully, Good... I don't really understand your comments.

If my facts are correct (and in fairness, they come from WIKI, though I certainly represented them here as accurate) then I don't see how my comments are disappointing or ESPECIALLY patronizing. Facts are what facts are, and there doesn't SEEM to be the clear shift in attitudes that you (or I) may believe exists.

Perhaps its as simple as the idea that while +/- 10% of black voters have 'always' been open to the right, only recently have they been so willing to be vocal/visible about it? I don't know, but again, the facts don't demonstrate the fundamental shift that we're expecting. Maybe the facts are wrong. Maybe there is something in the 'other' category going on, IDK... but the facts are what the facts are.

What I find most interesting (if I were a strategist) is what happened with Perot. It has long been assumed that Perot took large percentages of the middle and right away from Republicans... without him, Clinton doesn't get elected OR re-elected... but in the black population, he seems to have not impacted Republicans and taken almost solely from the left... LARGE swaths. I have some theories on that off the top of my head as it relates to the Hispanic population and Perot's stance on NAFTA, but that is pure conjecture. The most interesting thing is that Clinton was often referred to as 'the first Black President', yet he got less of the black vote than Kerry or Gore.... two of the whitest (and most priveleged) men on the planet.

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you aren’t voting for me you aren’t blCk. - Joe Biden

Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

You misrepresent the comment.... because we didn't make it. We see Biden's comment as dismissive.... not wholly inaccurate... but the statistics are what they are.... and statistics are a science. I guess this makes you a science denier?? lol

If he had said, 'if you don't like chicken and waffles, you ain't black' it would have correctly been called racist... but that doesn't mean it isn't statistically defensible. FTR, tons of white people love them as well... but nothing about that comment precludes that.

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you aren’t voting for me you aren’t blCk. - Joe Biden

Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Joe Biden's comment might be proof that you are wrong

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you aren’t voting for me you aren’t blCk. - Joe Biden

Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

Straw man.

You are trying to force a false dichotomy.

(01-12-2023 04:37 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Joe Biden's comment might be proof that you are wrong

I find it hard to believe that even Biden thinks EVERY black votes D, but I think it obvious that he thinks most blacks vote D. And he is correct in that.

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:22 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If you aren’t voting for me you aren’t blCk. - Joe Biden

Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

I think Tanq has a relatively rural place in the Hill Country and I'm pretty sure that he is a middle-aged white dude. Hey, Tanq, I'm tired of the Trump supporters like you bringing down our country!

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-11-2023 05:29 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Exactly. That's what some on this thread seem to be suggesting. I was going to bring that up myself.

"If you aren't voting Democrat you aren't black!". Weird. I thought we all hated that quote.

I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

Lady? Where is this from?

(01-12-2023 05:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 12:28 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t hate that quote. It seems perfectly illustrative of the Democratic Party’s attitude toward black voters - that their vote is in the bag, regardless of candidates or issues. And often it is.

Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

Lady? Where is this from?

The author of the original tweet...

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

Maybe if the facts were that they did not vote overwhelmingly D, you would have a point.

But your arguement is like saying because it rains in Florida sometimes, nobody should refer to it as the Sunshine State.

(01-12-2023 05:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

Maybe if the facts were that they did not vote overwhelmingly D, you would have a point.

But your arguement is like saying because it rains in Florida sometimes, nobody should refer to it as the Sunshine State.

TIL that a lady who is married to a prominent black Republican can safely assume that the black people responding to her tweet are Democrats because they are, after all, black.

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(01-12-2023 06:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

Maybe if the facts were that they did not vote overwhelmingly D, you would have a point.

But your arguement is like saying because it rains in Florida sometimes, nobody should refer to it as the Sunshine State.

TIL that a lady who is married to a prominent black Republican can safely assume that the black people responding to her tweet are Democrats because they are, after all, black.

Probably only about 90-95% right.

maybe you are assuming that many of the black people responding to her are Republicans. If so, why?

(01-12-2023 04:59 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 04:37 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Joe Biden's comment might be proof that you are wrong

I find it hard to believe that even Biden thinks EVERY black votes D, but I think it obvious that he thinks most blacks vote D. And he is correct in that.

I get that... I was joking

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

I think Tanq has a relatively rural place in the Hill Country and I'm pretty sure that he is a middle-aged white dude. Hey, Tanq, I'm tired of the Trump supporters like you bringing down our country!

If 90% of Hill Country white middle aged dudes voted for Trump, you might have a point. They don't.

And nobody (other than perhaps Biden) is treating ANY minority like a monolith. That would be ridiculous given the author and her spouse... and the topic... but again, the stats are what they are. People use stats like these literally all the time... and if a stat is that strongly in one direction (and it could be anything) then the presumption is statistically supported. If instead the stats are more like 60/40, that's a big difference.

I'm actually pretty amazed at how you've taken this and turned it 'against' someone who is vastly closer to the group than any of us.... mostly it seems by assuming that black people who are vocally 'against' her and her husband's relationship might somehow be supportive of them otherwise, which makes no sense... 'followers' of hers... since HE is the subject (the conservative minority) not her.

Why would someone be supportive of the white wife of a conservative minority, but then 'against' her relationship with him??

It seems clear that black people who would be critical of her relationship with him would also be critical of her speaking out about racial references to his politics

Said better/differently.... Black people making 'bad' comments about her and her husband aren't likely to support many of their other positions.... so we're not talking about the minority population in general... but instead about a subset that is against them on some significant level. I don't know how big the population of black people that are conservative, or supportive of conservative black conservatives, but against black men with white women.... but I'd guess that's somewhere around the 'unicorn' percentage.

(01-12-2023 05:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

Maybe if the facts were that they did not vote overwhelmingly D, you would have a point.

But your arguement is like saying because it rains in Florida sometimes, nobody should refer to it as the Sunshine State.

And what other minority group comes close to the statistical lean of blacks? I'm not even sure LGBTQ+ leans that hard

(01-12-2023 06:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  TIL that a lady who is married to a prominent black Republican can safely assume that the black people responding to her tweet are Democrats because they are, after all, black.

I don't think one of us said that. All we said was... the stats certainly STRONGLY lean that way.

I'm sorry, but that is a fact... and you seem to want to argue with it.

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Based on this thread the quote "If you are black then you ain't a Republican" seems to perfectly illustrate the attitude of some right-wingers on this board!

I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

I think Tanq has a relatively rural place in the Hill Country and I'm pretty sure that he is a middle-aged white dude. Hey, Tanq, I'm tired of the Trump supporters like you bringing down our country!

Gillespie County went for Trump 13k to 3k, or better than 75/25.

I could understand why you might make an assumption that I voted Trump, had I voted in Gillespie County.

I actually voted (and still vote) in Travis County. Which went against Trump 354k to 128k, just a tad under 25/75 for Trump.

I could also understand why one might make an assumption that I voted for Biden.

And yes, I surmise that pretty much and random black person I might run across would most probably vote Democratic given the breakdowns.

In Las Vegas, any of the above three I would absolutely bet even money on. Each of the three above is a long term winning play.

(01-13-2023 10:52 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 04:59 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 04:37 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Joe Biden's comment might be proof that you are wrong

I find it hard to believe that even Biden thinks EVERY black votes D, but I think it obvious that he thinks most blacks vote D. And he is correct in that.

I get that... I was joking

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 03:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think it more perfectly illustrates the attitude of many leading Democrats. Including, per the example, Biden.

I don’t know of anybody, left or right, who thinks EVERY black is a Democrat, but I think everybody thinks MOST blacks are Democrats. I will gladly listen to any proof that I am wrong.

Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

I think Tanq has a relatively rural place in the Hill Country and I'm pretty sure that he is a middle-aged white dude. Hey, Tanq, I'm tired of the Trump supporters like you bringing down our country!

If 90% of Hill Country white middle aged dudes voted for Trump, you might have a point. They don't.

OK... pick a Texas county where 90% of the 55-75 y/o white dudes voted for Trump and pretend that Tanq lives there.

Quote:And nobody (other than perhaps Biden) is treating ANY minority like a monolith. That would be ridiculous given the author and her spouse... and the topic... but again, the stats are what they are. People use stats like these literally all the time... and if a stat is that strongly in one direction (and it could be anything) then the presumption is statistically supported. If instead the stats are more like 60/40, that's a big difference.

I'm actually pretty amazed at how you've taken this and turned it 'against' someone who is vastly closer to the group than any of us.... mostly it seems by assuming that black people who are vocally 'against' her and her husband's relationship might somehow be supportive of them otherwise, which makes no sense... 'followers' of hers... since HE is the subject (the conservative minority) not her.

Why would someone be supportive of the white wife of a conservative minority, but then 'against' her relationship with him??

It seems clear that black people who would be critical of her relationship with him would also be critical of her speaking out about racial references to his politics.

Said better/differently.... Black people making 'bad' comments about her and her husband aren't likely to support many of their other positions.... so we're not talking about the minority population in general... but instead about a subset that is against them on some significant level. I don't know how big the population of black people that are conservative, or supportive of conservative black conservatives, but against black men with white women.... but I'd guess that's somewhere around the 'unicorn' percentage.

My suggestion was that these commenters on their black/white marriage might be completely ambivalent about politics or they may wean either way politically... I don't think the marriage thing mirrors political beliefs in any way.

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(01-12-2023 05:47 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:35 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:22 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(01-12-2023 05:11 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Lady says that the people responding to her post are leftists.

"How do we know that they are leftists? They mainly seem to be black people chiding her husband for marrying a white woman. How do we know that they are leftists?"

The Quad: "Well, they are black. QED."

All that anyone here is saying is that since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats, so any given black poster is probably a democrat. Nobody is saying all blacks are Democrats, or that no black could be a Republican.

This is basic math, Rice93. How long do you plan to continue arguing the sun rises in the west?

IDK... I don't think most minorities are big fans of being treated as a monolith, political or otherwise. Plenty of those posters to whom she was responding could have been strong right-wingers.

Maybe if the facts were that they did not vote overwhelmingly D, you would have a point.

But your arguement is like saying because it rains in Florida sometimes, nobody should refer to it as the Sunshine State.

And what other minority group comes close to the statistical lean of blacks? I'm not even sure LGBTQ+ leans that hard

(01-12-2023 06:52 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  TIL that a lady who is married to a prominent black Republican can safely assume that the black people responding to her tweet are Democrats because they are, after all, black.

I don't think one of us said that. All we said was... the stats certainly STRONGLY lean that way.

I know... but you don't see the problem with assigning beliefs to specific individuals in light of generalized data? "Hey Asian dude... I'm sure you're good at math. Can you help me with this?"

(01-13-2023 02:39 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I know... but you don't see the problem with assigning beliefs to specific individuals in light of generalized data? "Hey Asian dude... I'm sure you're good at math. Can you help me with this?"

Heck, the term "Asian" itself is routinely used in a stereotypical fashion. Turks and Israelis (just to cite a couple of examples) are Asians, but I bet they were not what you had in mind (or what you expected others to have in mind) when you used the term just now.