(01-10-2023 08:56 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 08:51 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

Disagree. Had a teammate that transferred to Ole Miss b/c he wasn't given a chance here for reasons I won't go into. Went down there and started and now his son plays at Memphis. He is at Victory Walk which is for former players. Never been an issue. The bonds the players make with their teammates are what classifies them as Tigers, not what a fan on a message board thinks.

Awesome

Thanks Bert - you are so right. Meanwhile some complain and disparage a young man for taking advantage of earning six figures to play one more year. How anyone can fault someone for that is beyond me.

(01-10-2023 08:51 AM)BERT56 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

Disagree. Had a teammate that transferred to Ole Miss b/c he wasn't given a chance here for reasons I won't go into. Went down there and started and now his son plays at Memphis. He is at Victory Walk which is for former players. Never been an issue. The bonds the players make with their teammates are what classifies them as Tigers, not what a fan on a message board thinks.

Certainly not a fan who's never paid their dues in blood, sweat, and tears entertaining the masses.

(01-10-2023 08:49 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:25 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 05:27 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  If I was a 20 year old and they offered my 100K SEE YA. And you would too

Good for you, but if you transfer to olemz you become a former Tiger.

You avoided my question. Typical. You know you’d take the money. Just don’t have a guts to admit it

I agree with both of you and Bert. It all depends on where you go and the circumstances.

Any player who was not going to leave, but leaves because they are pushed out is cool. Tyler Harris can be a Tiger after his career, especially as a Memphian, when he is done at USF. IF Harris was not pushed out and didn't leave because of playing time, then he's not always a Tiger.

Nolley will never be. Preistkorn will never be a Tiger for going to Ole Piss. Out of sight, out of mind, I've already forgotten how to spell his name.

Harris is cool, Nolley is not cool, and screw Priestkorn, but at the same time, I don't blame him one bit for taking the money. It's different from Washington (not always a Tiger) for going to USC. It is worst case.

When a player is way down at the end of the bench and leaves, he can be a Tiger or not a Tiger. Who cares?

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

what about regular students that drop out and never finish. Same for them? Do they have to turn in their fandom card?

This argument is so stupid. You don't have any ownership in what these players or their teammates feel. If they played here they get the benefits that all former players get. It's not our place as fans to dictate this.

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

Yeah, you don't get to be a Tiger for life AND a Rebel for life. I appreciate Bert's perspective from the player side. But fans still matter when it comes to college athletics. And from this fan's perspective, he made his choice. No longer a Tiger and never will be.

We can debate whether it was the right choice or not. The money certainly matters. But let's also not act like he wasn't getting any money from Memphis - he was. So it's not like a $0 vs $100k comparison. But whatever. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too, with the fans.

Is Kendric Davis a Tiger or a Mustang or both?

(01-10-2023 11:17 AM)yakko Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

what about regular students that drop out and never finish. Same for them? Do they have to turn in their fandom card?

This argument is so stupid. You don't have any ownership in what these players or their teammates feel. If they played here they get the benefits that all former players get. It's not our place as fans to dictate this.

Well, I mean if they transfer somewhere else, they get a degree from that school. They don't get that degree and another from Memphis. A dropout is sorta different.

I'm sure the athletics dept has their own criteria for what transfers-out do and do not qualify for. And I don't think anyone here is claiming ownership on that, or the relationships that he's built with teammates. It's just fan stuff. Like who we cheer for when they're playing, and who we would go out to see at an event.

(01-10-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  Is Kendric Davis a Tiger or a Mustang or both?

Tiger to us. We will claim him, support him, cheer for him, and buy his jersey if he makes it to the NBA.

You'd have to ask SMU fans from their perspective. I'm sure he still talks to former teammates. But he ain't getting none of that SMU collective NIL money. And I bet he don't get a standing O when we play down there.

(01-10-2023 11:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  Is Kendric Davis a Tiger or a Mustang or both?

Tiger to us. We will claim him, support him, cheer for him, and buy his jersey if he makes it to the NBA.

You'd have to ask SMU fans from their perspective. I'm sure he still talks to former teammates. But he ain't getting none of that SMU collective NIL money. And I bet he don't get a standing O when we play down there.

It will be a shame if they don't. My understanding is that he only left because of Jankovich leaving the program. Can't fault the young man for that.

(01-10-2023 11:17 AM)yakko Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:04 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  If you don't FINISH your collegiate career as a TIGER----then you ARE NOT once a TIGER ALWAYS a TIGER ---------you are simply PREY when you are with a new team-----------or better yet a WHO !!!!!!!!-------They are EX-TIGERS--just like EX-wives---EX-bosses --Ex-cops---EX-son/daughter in laws --etc etc etc ---------JMO

what about regular students that drop out and never finish. Same for them? Do they have to turn in their fandom card?

This argument is so stupid. You don't have any ownership in what these players or their teammates feel. If they played here they get the benefits that all former players get. It's not our place as fans to dictate this.

Amen +2

(01-10-2023 11:37 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:31 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  Is Kendric Davis a Tiger or a Mustang or both?

Tiger to us. We will claim him, support him, cheer for him, and buy his jersey if he makes it to the NBA.

You'd have to ask SMU fans from their perspective. I'm sure he still talks to former teammates. But he ain't getting none of that SMU collective NIL money. And I bet he don't get a standing O when we play down there.

It will be a shame if they don't. My understanding is that he only left because of Jankovich leaving the program. Can't fault the young man for that.

He will tell you that Jank is his daddy. He will also tell you that he came to Memphis because of Penny. Maybe they will cheer for him - we will see.

It's a strange time in college athletics.

You could spend 4x the amount of time at Memphis as Derrick Rose (who everyone considers a Tiger) and be labeled by fans as "not a Tiger."

I guess the Tigers in the NFL segment they play during football games won't include folks who transferred out (like Eze and Carter). It'll be sort of weird how college teams will claim how many former players are in the pros.

(01-10-2023 11:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  Is Kendric Davis a Tiger or a Mustang or both?

I can't speak for SMU, but he is a Tiger.

(01-10-2023 12:19 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  It's a strange time in college athletics.

You could spend 4x the amount of time at Memphis as Derrick Rose (who everyone considers a Tiger) and be labeled by fans as "not a Tiger."

I guess the Tigers in the NFL segment they play during football games won't include folks who transferred out (like Eze and Carter). It'll be sort of weird how college teams will claim how many former players are in the pros.

There is an emotional component at play too. Think of how far D. Rose took the team. That makes a difference.

He made his choice.

He was never a Tiger.

(01-10-2023 11:24 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Yeah, you don't get to be a Tiger for life AND a Rebel for life. I appreciate Bert's perspective from the player side. But fans still matter when it comes to college athletics. And from this fan's perspective, he made his choice. No longer a Tiger and never will be.

We can debate whether it was the right choice or not. The money certainly matters. But let's also not act like he wasn't getting any money from Memphis - he was. So it's not like a $0 vs $100k comparison. But whatever. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too, with the fans.

I've heard two numbers .... $30k from us, $100k from Ole Miss $100k from us, $400k from Ole Miss (which I find hard to believe) ... In any case, you can't fault the young man for taking that big an increase .... I know if my profession if I had a competing job offer with 3 to 4 times the salary for 1 year, I would take it ....

(01-10-2023 11:09 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 08:49 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 06:25 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 05:27 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  If I was a 20 year old and they offered my 100K SEE YA. And you would too

Good for you, but if you transfer to olemz you become a former Tiger.

You avoided my question. Typical. You know you’d take the money. Just don’t have a guts to admit it

I agree with both of you and Bert. It all depends on where you go and the circumstances.

Any player who was not going to leave, but leaves because they are pushed out is cool. Tyler Harris can be a Tiger after his career, especially as a Memphian, when he is done at USF. IF Harris was not pushed out and didn't leave because of playing time, then he's not always a Tiger.

Nolley will never be. Preistkorn will never be a Tiger for going to Ole Piss. Out of sight, out of mind, I've already forgotten how to spell his name.

Harris is cool, Nolley is not cool, and screw Priestkorn, but at the same time, I don't blame him one bit for taking the money. It's different from Washington (not always a Tiger) for going to USC. It is worst case.

When a player is way down at the end of the bench and leaves, he can be a Tiger or not a Tiger. Who cares?

Washington left for $$$ just like most. He just tried to strongarm the staff into it and they said no.

(01-10-2023 12:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:19 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  It's a strange time in college athletics.

You could spend 4x the amount of time at Memphis as Derrick Rose (who everyone considers a Tiger) and be labeled by fans as "not a Tiger."

I guess the Tigers in the NFL segment they play during football games won't include folks who transferred out (like Eze and Carter). It'll be sort of weird how college teams will claim how many former players are in the pros.

There is an emotional component at play too. Think of how far D. Rose took the team. That makes a difference.

What happens, hypothetically, if Seth plays through getting his degree here at Memphis-- sets all sorts of records-- and then transfers to play a graduate year? Do we claim him if he goes to the pros? Would he hypothetically get on the Tigers in the NFL segment?

With this new landscape, is it the last stop in musical chairs kind of thing? Or where you've left your biggest impact?

(01-10-2023 12:25 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(01-10-2023 12:19 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  It's a strange time in college athletics.

You could spend 4x the amount of time at Memphis as Derrick Rose (who everyone considers a Tiger) and be labeled by fans as "not a Tiger."

I guess the Tigers in the NFL segment they play during football games won't include folks who transferred out (like Eze and Carter). It'll be sort of weird how college teams will claim how many former players are in the pros.

There is an emotional component at play too. Think of how far D. Rose took the team. That makes a difference.

And yet, unless something has changed, Rose doesn't even say he is from the school, like every other NBA player, in his intros. He says he is from Chicago.