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(01-07-2023 11:39 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:20 PM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:30 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 10:10 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Disagree. Most FBS schools have absolutely NO problem with playing fcs schools practically EVERY season. They have no desire to drop fcs in favor of more G5 schools.

"Having" to schedule fcs schools year in and year out is NORMAL operating procedure-- unfortunately. They don't "have to"-- they want to.

Look at Alabama. It is ridiculous for them to play fcs schools every year-- BUT THEY DO! And nobody hardly criticizes them--even though they should.

Alabama
2022- Austin Peay
2021- Mercer
2019- Western Carolina
2018- The Citadel
2017- Mercer
2016- Chattanooga
2015- Charleston Southern
2014- Western Carolina
2013- Chattanooga
2012- Western Carolina

I think the CFP playoff expansion will force SOS to become even more relevant. If so, a schedule with all FBS will indeed become more valuable. Will that allow the WAC-ASUN to become FBS? Who knows, but the argument does have some merit to consider.

Yep! This is exactly why you don’t hear any P5 folks worried about another FBS conference. The expansion changes the game with scheduling. I think the days of the SEC and plenty others scheduling FCS schools are numbered.

Especially for those G5's wanting a crack at the CFP. An all-FBS schedule will be mandatory.

Exactly.

(01-07-2023 11:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I think the CFP playoff expansion will force SOS to become even more relevant. If so, a schedule with all FBS will indeed become more valuable. Will that allow the WAC-ASUN to become FBS? Who knows, but the argument does have some merit to consider.


Bingo.

UNALIONS--" I think the days of the SEC and plenty others scheduling FCS schools are numbered."


It has not yet. The "tide" have fcs teams already scheduled for the next three years.

Your opinion about SOS becoming more relevant is reasonable-- but again has not occurred at this point.

You are basing your argument on what makes sense to "maybe" happen in the future.

Show some evidence of articles discussing this as a new mandate for ANY conference.

I'll even settle for an article about ANY conference currently EVEN discussing this possibility. "I think" is NOT evidence there are any fcs scheduling changes on the way.

The BIG10 tried it a few years ago and recanted-- they now allow teams to play FCS approx. every other year.*

All other conferences have NO rule on limiting home fcs scheduling and none is under consideration.

*Article--"Big Ten teams are allowed to schedule FCS opponents again, sometimes. Should they?" -- SB Nation, July 24, 2017.

There were 119 FBS vs FCS games in 2022 and 117 in 2021. Getting rid of all those would require a massive change. Possible? Yes. Likely? IMO no.

Kindly prove your point--- just show ONE article where this is even being discussed by ANY conference.

(01-08-2023 12:06 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I think the CFP playoff expansion will force SOS to become even more relevant. If so, a schedule with all FBS will indeed become more valuable. Will that allow the WAC-ASUN to become FBS? Who knows, but the argument does have some merit to consider.


Bingo.

UNALIONS--" I think the days of the SEC and plenty others scheduling FCS schools are numbered."


It has not yet. The "tide" have fcs teams already scheduled for the next three years.

Your opinion about SOS becoming more relevant is reasonable-- but again has not occurred at this point.

You are basing your argument on what makes sense to "maybe" happen in the future.

Show some evidence of articles discussing this as a new mandate for ANY conference.

I'll even settle for an article about ANY conference currently EVEN discussing this possibility. "I think" is NOT evidence there are any fcs scheduling changes on the way.

The BIG10 tried it a few years ago and recanted-- they now allow teams to play FCS approx. every other year.*

All other conferences have NO rule on limiting home fcs scheduling and none is under consideration.

*Article--"Big Ten teams are allowed to schedule FCS opponents again, sometimes. Should they?" -- SB Nation, July 24, 2017.

There were 119 FBS vs FCS games in 2022. Getting rid of all those would require a massive change. Possible? Yes. Likely? IMO no.

Kindly prove your point--- just show ONE article where this is even being discussed by ANY conference.

Simple Google search. It's a good read.


Will college football realignment be the end of FCS vs. FBS?

by Ryan McGee, ESPN Senior Writer (November 18, 2022)

But as the sport as a whole continues to change directions more often and more unpredictably than a Hogwarts staircase, there are questions about when and if that previous sentence, the one that began "They are the last ..." might one day end with "... FCS vs. FBS games ever scheduled."

"Do I think these games are going to go away? Yes, I do." Russ Huesman said it flatly at the start of this 2022 season. His Richmond Spiders were preparing to travel south to Virginia, a game they lost 34-17. In 14 seasons as head coach at Chattanooga and Richmond, he has taken FCS teams into Auburn, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State, Boston College, Virginia Tech and made three trips to Alabama. His teams are 0-13 in those games. "I do know some of those FBS coaches don't want these games to go away. I think they know that Division I college football, which we play at the FCS level, is really important. We'll just have to see how important it is to some people."
...
That's great, Coach. But when we all look into our crystal footballs, will that support from above keep going?

"You know, I think it depends on where it goes," Smart responded. "What they require you to do and where the FCS, some of those conferences, end up with the realignment and some of those things ... the scheduling, how many conference games you're playing. I honestly don't know."

No one does. But many seem to believe that a glimpse of the FBS vs. FCS future came in 2020, when the college football calendar was thrown into the COVID-19 shredder and the SEC led the charge into a conference-only schedule.
...
The push toward a nine-game conference schedule has been verbally led by Saban, the de facto commissioner of college football. He has never shied away from his belief that college football should be strong at all levels, but he also has done the post-realignment math. It's not Toledo science. Take the SEC alone. When it expands to 16 teams, a nine-game conference schedule becomes necessary to ensure every member gets a shot at all the others at least occasionally. Saban has even said it might take 10 games to make that happen. That leaves only three, or even two, nonconference weekends. Once that calendar fills up with traditional cross-conference rivalries, CFP-friendly Power 5 cross-conference games and maybe one Group of 5 matchup, there are no chairs left for FCS when the fight songs stop playing.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...fcs-vs-fbs

(01-08-2023 12:17 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 12:06 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I think the CFP playoff expansion will force SOS to become even more relevant. If so, a schedule with all FBS will indeed become more valuable. Will that allow the WAC-ASUN to become FBS? Who knows, but the argument does have some merit to consider.


Bingo.

UNALIONS--" I think the days of the SEC and plenty others scheduling FCS schools are numbered."


It has not yet. The "tide" have fcs teams already scheduled for the next three years.

Your opinion about SOS becoming more relevant is reasonable-- but again has not occurred at this point.

You are basing your argument on what makes sense to "maybe" happen in the future.

Show some evidence of articles discussing this as a new mandate for ANY conference.

I'll even settle for an article about ANY conference currently EVEN discussing this possibility. "I think" is NOT evidence there are any fcs scheduling changes on the way.

The BIG10 tried it a few years ago and recanted-- they now allow teams to play FCS approx. every other year.*

All other conferences have NO rule on limiting home fcs scheduling and none is under consideration.

*Article--"Big Ten teams are allowed to schedule FCS opponents again, sometimes. Should they?" -- SB Nation, July 24, 2017.

There were 119 FBS vs FCS games in 2022. Getting rid of all those would require a massive change. Possible? Yes. Likely? IMO no.

Kindly prove your point--- just show ONE article where this is even being discussed by ANY conference.

Simple Google search. It's a good read.


Will college football realignment be the end of FCS vs. FBS?

by Ryan McGee, ESPN Senior Writer (November 18, 2022)

But as the sport as a whole continues to change directions more often and more unpredictably than a Hogwarts staircase, there are questions about when and if that previous sentence, the one that began "They are the last ..." might one day end with "... FCS vs. FBS games ever scheduled."

"Do I think these games are going to go away? Yes, I do." Russ Huesman said it flatly at the start of this 2022 season. His Richmond Spiders were preparing to travel south to Virginia, a game they lost 34-17. In 14 seasons as head coach at Chattanooga and Richmond, he has taken FCS teams into Auburn, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State, Boston College, Virginia Tech and made three trips to Alabama. His teams are 0-13 in those games. "I do know some of those FBS coaches don't want these games to go away. I think they know that Division I college football, which we play at the FCS level, is really important. We'll just have to see how important it is to some people."
...
That's great, Coach. But when we all look into our crystal footballs, will that support from above keep going?

"You know, I think it depends on where it goes," Smart responded. "What they require you to do and where the FCS, some of those conferences, end up with the realignment and some of those things ... the scheduling, how many conference games you're playing. I honestly don't know."

No one does. But many seem to believe that a glimpse of the FBS vs. FCS future came in 2020, when the college football calendar was thrown into the COVID-19 shredder and the SEC led the charge into a conference-only schedule.
...
The push toward a nine-game conference schedule has been verbally led by Saban, the de facto commissioner of college football. He has never shied away from his belief that college football should be strong at all levels, but he also has done the post-realignment math. It's not Toledo science. Take the SEC alone. When it expands to 16 teams, a nine-game conference schedule becomes necessary to ensure every member gets a shot at all the others at least occasionally. Saban has even said it might take 10 games to make that happen. That leaves only three, or even two, nonconference weekends. Once that calendar fills up with traditional cross-conference rivalries, CFP-friendly Power 5 cross-conference games and maybe one Group of 5 matchup, there are no chairs left for FCS when the fight songs stop playing.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...fcs-vs-fbs

Good articles. Thanks for posting. They are "opinion pieces".

BUT--- articles where CONFERENCES are even discussing or contemplating this proposition do NOT exist because NO league is considering this idea.

WE or reporters or even a few coaches might "think" they "should" take some action or ban fcs scheduling.

So far... nothing concrete OR even exploratory.

(01-08-2023 12:41 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 12:17 AM)unalions Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 12:06 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-07-2023 11:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I think the CFP playoff expansion will force SOS to become even more relevant. If so, a schedule with all FBS will indeed become more valuable. Will that allow the WAC-ASUN to become FBS? Who knows, but the argument does have some merit to consider.


Bingo.

UNALIONS--" I think the days of the SEC and plenty others scheduling FCS schools are numbered."


It has not yet. The "tide" have fcs teams already scheduled for the next three years.

Your opinion about SOS becoming more relevant is reasonable-- but again has not occurred at this point.

You are basing your argument on what makes sense to "maybe" happen in the future.

Show some evidence of articles discussing this as a new mandate for ANY conference.

I'll even settle for an article about ANY conference currently EVEN discussing this possibility. "I think" is NOT evidence there are any fcs scheduling changes on the way.

The BIG10 tried it a few years ago and recanted-- they now allow teams to play FCS approx. every other year.*

All other conferences have NO rule on limiting home fcs scheduling and none is under consideration.

*Article--"Big Ten teams are allowed to schedule FCS opponents again, sometimes. Should they?" -- SB Nation, July 24, 2017.

There were 119 FBS vs FCS games in 2022. Getting rid of all those would require a massive change. Possible? Yes. Likely? IMO no.

Kindly prove your point--- just show ONE article where this is even being discussed by ANY conference.

Simple Google search. It's a good read.


Will college football realignment be the end of FCS vs. FBS?

by Ryan McGee, ESPN Senior Writer (November 18, 2022)

But as the sport as a whole continues to change directions more often and more unpredictably than a Hogwarts staircase, there are questions about when and if that previous sentence, the one that began "They are the last ..." might one day end with "... FCS vs. FBS games ever scheduled."

"Do I think these games are going to go away? Yes, I do." Russ Huesman said it flatly at the start of this 2022 season. His Richmond Spiders were preparing to travel south to Virginia, a game they lost 34-17. In 14 seasons as head coach at Chattanooga and Richmond, he has taken FCS teams into Auburn, Nebraska, Tennessee, Florida State, Boston College, Virginia Tech and made three trips to Alabama. His teams are 0-13 in those games. "I do know some of those FBS coaches don't want these games to go away. I think they know that Division I college football, which we play at the FCS level, is really important. We'll just have to see how important it is to some people."
...
That's great, Coach. But when we all look into our crystal footballs, will that support from above keep going?

"You know, I think it depends on where it goes," Smart responded. "What they require you to do and where the FCS, some of those conferences, end up with the realignment and some of those things ... the scheduling, how many conference games you're playing. I honestly don't know."

No one does. But many seem to believe that a glimpse of the FBS vs. FCS future came in 2020, when the college football calendar was thrown into the COVID-19 shredder and the SEC led the charge into a conference-only schedule.
...
The push toward a nine-game conference schedule has been verbally led by Saban, the de facto commissioner of college football. He has never shied away from his belief that college football should be strong at all levels, but he also has done the post-realignment math. It's not Toledo science. Take the SEC alone. When it expands to 16 teams, a nine-game conference schedule becomes necessary to ensure every member gets a shot at all the others at least occasionally. Saban has even said it might take 10 games to make that happen. That leaves only three, or even two, nonconference weekends. Once that calendar fills up with traditional cross-conference rivalries, CFP-friendly Power 5 cross-conference games and maybe one Group of 5 matchup, there are no chairs left for FCS when the fight songs stop playing.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...fcs-vs-fbs

Good articles. Thanks for posting. They are "opinion pieces".

BUT--- articles where CONFERENCES are even discussing or considering this idea do NOT exist because NO league is considering this idea at this time.

WE or reporters or even a few coaches might "think" they "should" take some action or ban fcs scheduling.

So far... nothing concrete OR even exploratory.

There's been no reason to until the playoff expansion was approved within the past few weeks. Hence, why the article was just written in November.

This won't be an issue until 2024. That's when you'll see teams, especially those that feel they could be on the bubble trying to get in, start to adjust their scheduling. Sure, many games are already scheduled. Many schools will fulfill those contracts while others may want to buy them out.

This will turn into a game of SOS for FBS much as it has always been in FCS and D2, etc. where true playoff models have been in place for decades.

It may take a few years but these FCS games will start to dwindle for teams that want a shot at the playoff field. But, they won't die out completely. Some teams at the top, Bama for example, don't need to alter their schedule to make the field in almost any season. That could change. There are many G5s that won't ever smell the CFP and will continue to schedule FCS teams.

Excellent points. But I think you are overestimating this SOS aspect for FBS. You are looking too much at this whole thing through fcs lenses. FBS is more "money-based". BIG MONEY. REGULAR season HOME games make huge money for most P5's and some others. TV and media deals are crucial (regular season). Bowl games are important for income, prestige, practice--- and Booster donations.

Getting into the CFP is NOT the "be all--end all" for MOST schools in the P5 and G5.

They want and MUST have:

--- six or seven win seasons in order to sell regular season tickets, corporate sponsorships, encourage donations, and get to mid-level and higher bowls; they do not want to risk losing games

--- seven or even eight HOME games; for income, local media, and boosters; that is how and why they can PAY such big amounts for G5 or FCS games. Sadly, most of their fans don't even know the difference in a G5 or fcs school. Some of these P5's make enough money on all concessions in just ONE game that it is as much as the FB budget for ONE year at some fcs schools. True.

Their business is to make money. 80% have no expectation (said only behind closed doors) of making a 12 team playoff. They are there to ride the coattails of the top 1 or 2 teams in their conference--- so their main goal is to maximize income. Sad but true.

The spirit of winning a Championship or competing for the sake of competition has been overtaken by the desperate NEED to feed the money machine (athletic dept. budget) and to keep it fed EVERY year.

So-- playing a "strong" schedule may sound good to the fans-- but the AD and other stakeholders look at things very differently.

FBS is MONEY based. EVERYTHING else is second.

(01-08-2023 02:04 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Excellent points. But I think you are overestimating this SOS aspect for FBS. You are looking too much at this whole thing through fcs lenses. FBS is more "money-based". BIG MONEY. REGULAR season HOME games make huge money for most P5's and some others. TV and media deals are crucial (regular season). Bowl games are important for income, prestige, practice--- and Booster donations.

Getting into the CFP is NOT the "be all--end all" for MOST schools in the P5 and G5.

They want and MUST have:

--- six or seven win seasons in order to sell regular season tickets, corporate sponsorships, encourage donations, and get to mid-level and higher bowls; they do not want to risk losing games

--- seven or even eight HOME games; for income, local media, and boosters; that is how and why they can PAY such big amounts for G5 or FCS games. Sadly, most of their fans don't even know the difference in a G5 or fcs school. Some of these P5's make enough money on all concessions in just ONE game that it is as much as the FB budget for ONE year at some fcs schools. True.

Their business is to make money. 80% have no expectation (said only behind closed doors) of making a 12 team playoff. They are there to ride the coattails of the top 1 or 2 teams in their conference--- so their main goal is to maximize income. Sad but true.

The spirit of winning a Championship or competing for the sake of competition has been overtaken by the desperate NEED to feed the money machine (athletic dept. budget) and to keep it fed EVERY year.

So-- playing a "strong" schedule may sound good to the fans-- but the AD and other stakeholders look at things very differently.

FBS is MONEY based. EVERYTHING else is second.

You are correct, the FBS is about money and the CFP playoffs are bigger money than the other bowl games. So, yes, SOS will still become a bigger issue than it is now. The P5 teams will want that national exposure and recognition and it will begin to take more to get it than before. Yours is still opinion like the others and is not an either-or scenario. BOTH the money/contracts and SOS pieces are indeed being discussed whether you see your "proof" in articles or not. How much power each hold is still conjecture at this point. It's still conjecture whether the WAC-ASUN experiment works, but you stomping your feet and saying the SOS is irrelevant doesn't really mean anything. Both arguments need to be considered and discussed, as well as others.

FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Yep and it is changing like most other things. Your conjecture has been noted. The P5 wants the money that the farm league G5 conferences bring. Expanding the G5 could benefit the P5, so why would they fight it? So, we are back to whether a new G5 conference is competition to the current G5 conferences or help bring them more money and exposure as well. Either way, it helps scheduling and SOS for each level to a degree and that could ultimately mean more money. Now, if they don't want to open a door to other FCS leagues moving up, then that does indeed cause some issues and why it's not an open and closed case. You don't know for sure what SOS means with the new expanded CFP because it hasn't happened yet. You talking like you do doesn't bode well.

Sorry if I don't bode well. Just giving my viewpoint, Outsider.

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

(01-08-2023 05:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Sorry if I don't bode well. Just giving my viewpoint, Outsider.

Your viewpoint isn't bad, but you're talking like its fact when it hasn't even happened and that it is the only one.

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

(01-08-2023 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

The bigger question is why are you so against it? It’s almost like you have a stake in keeping other schools down. I don’t know all the ends and outs of what is or is not going to happen but you seem to be dead certain this is all a waste of time.

People are making up SOS arguments (I have never heard of this, ever, in any forum) and saying no one minds sharing money (yeah right). And the folks making these points are part of the FCS league trying to get into FBS. You are trying convince us why it is a a good idea.

Playing an all FBS schedule means nothing to teams like NMSU, Troy, Miami Ohio, etc. And it means very little to P5 bottom feeders.

Lastly, I don't see how this new conference is going to get around the all sports conference requirement (on top of the fact that many teams are not ready for FBS, 15k attendance requirements, bigger budgets needed, 85 scholarships, inclusion into the CFP, etc.). Big time uphill battle.

(01-08-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

The bigger question is why are you so against it? It’s almost like you have a stake in keeping other schools down. I don’t know all the ends and outs of what is or is not going to happen but you seem to be dead certain this is all a waste of time.

It's pretty simple, why would any G5 fan want their school to have more competition for recruits and money? Especially when some of these schools haven't done the legwork and made the investments to move up.

I know everyone says they hate gatekeepers but when your school puts in a lot of work and money into facilities and what not and separates itself from its conference mates and gets an invite from a legit FBS conference its hard to root for programs that just seemingly want to declare themselves FBS without really doing anything and earning an invitation.

Not saying there's anything right about that mindset, just giving the perspective from one G5 fan that I'm sure many share.

(01-09-2023 01:21 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 04:56 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  FBS football just works differently. Even though the new 12 team CFP model looks somewhat like the NCAA BB Tournament or the FCS playoffs--- IT IS a very different animal. SOS is NOT as big of a factor-- even though maybe it "should" be. Sounds logical and is logical-- but again that does not mean that is what actually happens.

Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

The bigger question is why are you so against it? It’s almost like you have a stake in keeping other schools down. I don’t know all the ends and outs of what is or is not going to happen but you seem to be dead certain this is all a waste of time.

It's pretty simple, why would any G5 fan want their school to have more competition for recruits and money? Especially when some of these schools haven't done the legwork and made the investments to move up.

I know everyone says they hate gatekeepers but when your school puts in a lot of work and money into facilities and what not and separates itself from its conference mates and gets an invite from a legit FBS conference its hard to root for programs that just seemingly want to declare themselves FBS without really doing anything and earning an invitation.

Not saying there's anything right about that mindset, just giving the perspective from one G5 fan that I'm sure many share.

It certainly is funny to see SWT do everything in their power to become an attractive FBS program, with nice facilities and a decent sized fanbase, working years to do so, only for Sam to half ass it and get an invite on a whim.

(01-09-2023 02:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 01:21 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

The bigger question is why are you so against it? It’s almost like you have a stake in keeping other schools down. I don’t know all the ends and outs of what is or is not going to happen but you seem to be dead certain this is all a waste of time.

It's pretty simple, why would any G5 fan want their school to have more competition for recruits and money? Especially when some of these schools haven't done the legwork and made the investments to move up.

I know everyone says they hate gatekeepers but when your school puts in a lot of work and money into facilities and what not and separates itself from its conference mates and gets an invite from a legit FBS conference its hard to root for programs that just seemingly want to declare themselves FBS without really doing anything and earning an invitation.

Not saying there's anything right about that mindset, just giving the perspective from one G5 fan that I'm sure many share.

It certainly is funny to see SWT do everything in their power to become an attractive FBS program, with nice facilities and a decent sized fanbase, working years to do so, only for Sam to half ass it and get an invite on a whim.

You can blame UT and Oklahoma going to the SEC for that-- they started these crazy dominoes.
Then when C-USA was down to 5 teams--- the other G5 refused to kill them off by taking at least three and forcing the two left to go Indy. IT SHOULD be GFOUR (G4) IMHO currently.

C-USA was forced into survival mode and added as best they could.

(01-09-2023 02:03 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(01-09-2023 01:21 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 09:00 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 08:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(01-08-2023 06:13 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Lol got some CUSA stooge here trying to teach us all how the CFP selection system works. Comical. Why don't YOU provide US some proof SOS is not currently a deciding factor, slappy. GTFOH.

Thanks very much for your input.

The bigger question is why are you so against it? It’s almost like you have a stake in keeping other schools down. I don’t know all the ends and outs of what is or is not going to happen but you seem to be dead certain this is all a waste of time.

It's pretty simple, why would any G5 fan want their school to have more competition for recruits and money? Especially when some of these schools haven't done the legwork and made the investments to move up.

I know everyone says they hate gatekeepers but when your school puts in a lot of work and money into facilities and what not and separates itself from its conference mates and gets an invite from a legit FBS conference its hard to root for programs that just seemingly want to declare themselves FBS without really doing anything and earning an invitation.

Not saying there's anything right about that mindset, just giving the perspective from one G5 fan that I'm sure many share.

It certainly is funny to see SWT do everything in their power to become an attractive FBS program, with nice facilities and a decent sized fanbase, working years to do so, only for Sam to half ass it and get an invite on a whim.

Such is life as a Bobcat fan