It is really a matter of hiring two good coaches in a row. If we had hired an equivalent basketball coach to Forbes we would still be a top 40 program. If we had hired an equivalent coach to Sanders we would have a top 20 FCS football program. We have to stop hiring clunkers to replace our good coaches.

Unfortunately you are ignoring that Forrbes and Sanders didn't have to deal with the portal, NIL and the rise of lower division FBS.The landscape for college football and basketball has drastically changed in the last two years.

(12-25-2022 12:22 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Unfortunately you are ignoring that Forrbes and Sanders didn't have to deal with the portal, NIL and the rise of lower division FBS.The landscape for college football and basketball has drastically changed in the last two years.

Yes but Forbes was ahead of the curve on transfers. He proved that we could get quality transfers and win championships with those players. Then Coach Paris did it at UTC and got a P5 job out of it. Any coach must work transfers to win and it can be done. Coach O has brought in some real talent with Haynes and Taylor. When all these players meld together I think we can start winning the SoCon again.

Winning the SoCon is no longer a big draw for recuits.

(12-26-2022 03:51 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Winning the SoCon is no longer a big draw for recuits.

But it sure is a bigger draw than coming in last place.

I think we should be thinking of the path forward. What should all the mid-major schools in the same boat with ETSU do to keep on going?

ETSU Quarles Makes Coaching Changes

https://wcyb.com/sports/content/etsu-foo...f-changes#

More and more players are in the portal. Deven Brantley and now Davion Hood. I posted this information in this thread because I don’t think this will be the end of the coaching change discussion. With all of the players that have left the past couple of years, I just don’t see how we have any kind of productive season this year and Quarles will have to go. I’ve been a fan of Scott Carter as a person for years, but what an unmitigated disaster he has put us in.

(04-20-2023 11:52 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  More and more players are in the portal. Deven Brantley and now Davion Hood. I posted this information in this thread because I don’t think this will be the end of the coaching change discussion. With all of the players that have left the past couple of years, I just don’t see how we have any kind of productive season this year and Quarles will have to go. I’ve been a fan of Scott Carter as a person for years, but what an unmitigated disaster he has put us in.

Yes I agree. Doc Sander has now been brought in two times to clean up messes in our athletic department. We should know by the end of September or maybe October how the coach is doing. I hope we can go 9-2 but Doc has to watch the program closely as Coach Sanders proved that ETSU can be a respected FCS program. We cannot afford to have it dragged down too far before a change is made.

Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

Dang. Stephen is a very talented young linebacker.

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

(04-24-2023 06:21 PM)peppersbro Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

(04-25-2023 07:06 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 06:21 PM)peppersbro Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

(04-25-2023 08:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 07:06 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 06:21 PM)peppersbro Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

(04-27-2023 11:56 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 07:06 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 06:21 PM)peppersbro Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 02:02 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Now Stephen Scott is gone. What in the hell is going on over there?

We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

I am hearing more kids in the portal? Any news on that?

(05-05-2023 08:52 PM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:56 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 07:06 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-24-2023 06:21 PM)peppersbro Wrote:  We are going to have to bring in significant talent through the portal before fall camp begins or we will be the bottom dweller of the socon.

That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

I am hearing more kids in the portal? Any news on that?

Yes. That is now the standard. Football has "two" portals. After the season, lots of players enter the December transfer window. Others stay and participate in Spring practices to see if they move up the depth chart, injuries get better, etc. If they aren't satisfied they hit the April portal. Just the "new normal". I don't know which players entered the April portal.

(05-05-2023 08:56 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(05-05-2023 08:52 PM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:56 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 07:06 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  That will not happen until you bring in a talented coach. Until that happens, talented players won’t be coming in.

Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

I am hearing more kids in the portal? Any news on that?

Yes. That is now the standard. Football has "two" portals. After the season, lots of players enter the December transfer window. Others stay and participate in Spring practices to see if they move up the depth chart, injuries get better, etc. If they aren't satisfied they hit the April portal. Just the "new normal". I don't know which players entered the April portal.

This Portal “new normal” is now a game in itself and is becoming a new form of college sports entertainment as fans can be intrigued with a sport year round. Who is in the Portal today — let me check. Add in the NIL, who is getting the best offers to transfer or to come? Man, this is a great step forward, especially for college football, basketball, and academics. And, please highlight that student-athlete label with every sentence uttered-written about college athletics.

(05-06-2023 08:45 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(05-05-2023 08:56 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(05-05-2023 08:52 PM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:56 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 08:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Doc Sander has to be watching this closely.

In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

I am hearing more kids in the portal? Any news on that?

Yes. That is now the standard. Football has "two" portals. After the season, lots of players enter the December transfer window. Others stay and participate in Spring practices to see if they move up the depth chart, injuries get better, etc. If they aren't satisfied they hit the April portal. Just the "new normal". I don't know which players entered the April portal.

This Portalg “new normal” is a game in itself and is becoming a new form of college sports entertainment as fans can be intrigued with a sport year round. Who is in the Portal today — let me check. Add in the NIL, who is getting the best offers to transfer or to come? Man, this is a great leap forward especially for football and basketball. And, please highlight that student-athlete label with every sentence uttered-written about college athletics.

While I realize that kids will enter the portal for various reasons, when you see this many, from one team doing so, there is something else going on. This coach literally said in his year end news conference that part of the problem was because the current guys were not his guys and some didn’t buy in? That’s how you exude confidence from your players? Same guys that won a chip the year prior? The primary change between the two years was not the players, most were back. The primary difference was the coaching staff. Early in the season last year he had a chance to take control when it was very clear what they were trying to do may work in HS but was not going to work. He didn’t, he stuck with a loosing strategy and did little to nothing to step in. And….they continued to loose. Flash forward to end of the year and it’s the players fault. Hmmm, now that is a leader that would make me want to stay and be a part of something bigger.
Yes, portal has challenges and one of them is coaches also need to commit to a players well being and commit to winning. Prior, they could make promises and simply walk to a better opportunity. Yes, leveling the playing field creates challenges but the biggest one is that coaches now must be leaders, create vision, care for kids future past football. Some will and can do that, most cannot.

(05-06-2023 08:55 AM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(05-06-2023 08:45 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(05-05-2023 08:56 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(05-05-2023 08:52 PM)Libhater1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2023 11:56 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  In his report to the Board of Trustees:
• The need to continue to “get the right people on the bus” within the athletic department at ETSU. As an example, Dr. Sander pointed to the recent successful season in women’s basketball and the academic support personnel in the department.

I am hearing more kids in the portal? Any news on that?

Yes. That is now the standard. Football has "two" portals. After the season, lots of players enter the December transfer window. Others stay and participate in Spring practices to see if they move up the depth chart, injuries get better, etc. If they aren't satisfied they hit the April portal. Just the "new normal". I don't know which players entered the April portal.

This Portalg “new normal” is a game in itself and is becoming a new form of college sports entertainment as fans can be intrigued with a sport year round. Who is in the Portal today — let me check. Add in the NIL, who is getting the best offers to transfer or to come? Man, this is a great leap forward especially for football and basketball. And, please highlight that student-athlete label with every sentence uttered-written about college athletics.

While I realize that kids will enter the portal for various reasons, when you see this many, from one team doing so, there is something else going on. This coach literally said in his year end news conference that part of the problem was because the current guys were not his guys and some didn’t buy in? That’s how you exude confidence from your players? Same guys that won a chip the year prior? The primary change between the two years was not the players, most were back. The primary difference was the coaching staff. Early in the season last year he had a chance to take control when it was very clear what they were trying to do may work in HS but was not going to work. He didn’t, he stuck with a loosing strategy and did little to nothing to step in. And….they continued to loose. Flash forward to end of the year and it’s the players fault. Hmmm, now that is a leader that would make me want to stay and be a part of something bigger.
Yes, portal has challenges and one of them is coaches also need to commit to a players well being and commit to winning. Prior, they could make promises and simply walk to a better opportunity. Yes, leveling the playing field creates challenges but the biggest one is that coaches now must be leaders, create vision, care for kids future past football. Some will and can do that, most cannot.

I don't pretend to know if anything is going on with the coaches, but I understand 30-45 players in the transfer portal is the "new norm". I wish the "new norm" was laying in hell with its back broke! From a fans perspective the transfer portal is a show stopper.