I don't understand how Ron Desantis is a RINO? How does going against the COVID lockdowns, and not allowing CRT to be taught in public schools in Florida make you a RINO? I don't understand.

Who said he is a rino?

What some of us are saying is that he better not co-mingle with the establishment.

(11-22-2022 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Who said he is a rino?

What some of us are saying is that he better not co-mingle with the establishment.

Oh he will. He's not Trump, even though the Democrat controlled media says he's worse than Trump.

No one is saying he’s a RINO. The Establishment will try to use DeSantis for sure. If not him they will move on to Youngkin. It’s just the obvious nature progression on where the establishment is trying to attack Trump.

DeSantis
Youngkin
Pompeo
Haley - LOL

(11-22-2022 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Who said he is a rino?

What some of us are saying is that he better not co-mingle with the establishment.

Not sure he has a choice. He needs to raise money. You'll have to make your own determination of whether or not he is his own man, but he will absolutely have to rub a lot of elbows.

https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/...1022152241

Here are two posts that call Desantis a member of the swamp. I personally don’t see it. I figure people are entitled to their own opinions even if they’re wrong. Not my place to try and educate everyone.

(11-18-2022 03:20 PM)Claw Wrote:  DeSantis' waders make his pants look dry in public, but he is waist deep in the swamp. He is not Trump. Not even close.

(11-18-2022 03:47 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Correct, he's a politician first, second, third, and he's better than most at reading the landscape of the voters in the state. But that doesn't mean he is going to draw "working Americans nation wide". To see just how much of a politician he is all one has to do is look at when his views/action changed on Covid.

DeSantis' did nothing till he had cover from President Trump and the tide started turning. Before then he played it safe. So like I said he knows how to read people and that's not a bad thing. But he's a politician and the Republican party will control him and he will fall right in line.

When you are making your points on what you want for this country, not just the state of Fl, and have to do that day after day after day with that being the #1 focus...not just the backdrop noise as it is today. People will begin to see he's just another politician and say what ever is needed....

then be controlled

I like him but dont trust him as anything but a politician

I'll say it. He is a RINO.

Why?

He is a career politician who takes a lot of money from people with liberal leanings and ideas. He is beholden to the people who fund him.

Meet the Globalist Billionaires Behind the Presidential Ambitions of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

Trump is not.

DeSantis might be less RINO than many, many Republicans. But when you compare him to Trump - and that IS the gauge - DeSantis is a RINO.

RINO is a word that gets used often to describe a persons personal views on politics. Hell to me Trump was more in line with Bill Clinton than either Bush or Reagan on a ton of social issues. Just because he was pro life didn't make him a republican. But the media pushed that for 7 years now....

most democrats believe he's so far to the right he's dangerous.

But if you look at what the man tried to push through and did. He's way left than most republicans. Not for a second does Trump care who you are screwing, man or woman, or both. He just doesn't believe you can be BOTH. The man push through move on Justice Reform than Bill Clinton, Obama and Biden...combined. He did the same on a few other issues that were democrat talking points 20 years ago.

15 years ago none of the above would get you elected as a republican if a person ran on those things

Government is made to compromise on issues and what we are seeing today are the result of democrats and republicans using compromise as 4 letter word. Honestly if both sides are pissed off it probably means most Americans....

won and the bill passed is what was best for most and not "my side"

The major difference in Trump and a "RINO or DINO" those two are going to lie to your face then do what's best for them. Trump actually ran on his democrat issues and hasn't tried to tell you otherwise.....

yet he's the liar to the media and democrats and a lot of republicans

(11-22-2022 04:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'll say it. He is a RINO.

Why?

He is a career politician who takes a lot of money from people with liberal leanings and ideas. He is beholden to the people who fund him.

Meet the Globalist Billionaires Behind the Presidential Ambitions of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

Trump is not.

DeSantis might be less RINO than many, many Republicans. But when you compare him to Trump - and that IS the gauge - DeSantis is a RINO.

Can you give me an example of him acting against the people in beholden to the people that fund him? He certainly went against them in sending the migrants to Martha's Vineyard, taking on Disney and holding the line on the so called "don't say gay" legislation, and for 2 years of attacks over Covid. I will grant you that it is a risk that he gets swallowed up by the swamp, but any evidence he is under their control to date or are we just jumping on the Sundance bullschit?

(11-22-2022 04:34 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  RINO is a word that gets used often to describe a persons personal views on politics. Hell to me Trump was more in line with Bill Clinton than either Bush or Reagan on a ton of social issues. Just because he was pro life didn't make him a republican. But the media pushed that for 7 years now....

most democrats believe he's so far to the right he's dangerous.

But if you look at what the man tried to push through and did. He's way left than most republicans. Not for a second does Trump care who you are screwing, man or woman, or both. He just doesn't believe you can be BOTH. The man push through move on Justice Reform than Bill Clinton, Obama and Biden...combined. He did the same on a few other issues that were democrat talking points 20 years ago.

15 years ago none of the above would get you elected as a republican if a person ran on those things

Government is made to compromise on issues and what we are seeing today are the result of democrats and republicans using compromise as 4 letter word. Honestly if both sides are pissed off it probably means most Americans....

won and the bill passed is what was best for most and not "my side"

The major difference in Trump and a "RINO or DINO" those two are going to lie to your face then do what's best for them. Trump actually ran on his democrat issues and hasn't tried to tell you otherwise

Trump is a populist with some conservative principles. He’s more aligned with Reagan in the sense that while Reagan was more conservative in principle he had populist ideas that gave him broad appeal

RINOs and Establishment have sifted more liberal because the dynamics have sifted. Most corporations are now liberal/woke or at least pretend to be. The Rock m-ribbed GOP traditional coziness TO BIG BUSINESS isn’t going to cut it anymore and is actually a detriment. Also globalism (free trade…etc) is all about stripping the good old USA of its principles and values, so that’s another knock on Establishment. Add that Trump presence started the shift of Hispanics and other South Americans towards the GOP without having to offer amnesty is a another blow to RINOs

I agree he's a Rino, so let him lead our great state instead

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(11-22-2022 04:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 04:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'll say it. He is a RINO.

Why?

He is a career politician who takes a lot of money from people with liberal leanings and ideas. He is beholden to the people who fund him.

Meet the Globalist Billionaires Behind the Presidential Ambitions of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

Trump is not.

DeSantis might be less RINO than many, many Republicans. But when you compare him to Trump - and that IS the gauge - DeSantis is a RINO.

Can you give me an example of him acting against the people in beholden to the people that fund him? He certainly went against them in sending the migrants to Martha's Vineyard, taking on Disney and holding the line on the so called "don't say gay" legislation, and for 2 years of attacks over Covid. I will grant you that it is a risk that he gets swallowed up by the swamp, but any evidence he is under their control to date or are we just jumping on the Sundance bullschit?

DeSantis could turn out to be a sell out. It is never a good bet to put much stock in the integrity of someone who willingly puts themselves through the political gristmill. That suggests, at a minimum, some sort of personality defect.

But, like you’ve stated ER, the “Claw”s of this forum really ought to back up their sneering with real examples of where Ron DeSantis has come up short. They may exist. But so far all I have seen is someone who fully backs up his talk with action.

Based upon the link you’ve provided above, Ron DeSantis does not appear to be someone likely to be financially beholden to anyone. At the very least, it is unlikely he will have trouble with publicly releasing his tax returns.

But, again, I’m prepared to be let down.

DeSantis hasn't stopped anyone from coming across the Mexican border.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to stop election issues in other states.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to help domestic energy.

DeSantis hasn't done anything with foreign relations or our military entanglements.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to cut our taxes.

There are all these key issues where Trump is a known quantity and DeSantis is not. This assumption he is going to do what you want is just that - an assumption.

(11-22-2022 06:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  DeSantis hasn't stopped anyone from coming across the Mexican border.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to stop election issues in other states.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to help domestic energy.

DeSantis hasn't done anything with foreign relations or our military entanglements.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to cut our taxes.

There are all these key issues where Trump is a known quantity and DeSantis is not. This assumption he is going to do what you want is just that - an assumption.

Absolutely.

And these unproven concerns were even more so when the great and infallible Donald Trump descended the elevator. And they will be present with every single person who declares for the presidency. These are mortal human beings, not Gods.

We all can only make our best guesses as to who is most likely to perform well. My current guess is on DeSantis. And if/when he declares, my checkbook will get a minor workout. But, in the meantime, I am open to having my mind changed over the coming year and a half.

(11-22-2022 06:05 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 04:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-22-2022 04:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'll say it. He is a RINO.

Why?

He is a career politician who takes a lot of money from people with liberal leanings and ideas. He is beholden to the people who fund him.

Meet the Globalist Billionaires Behind the Presidential Ambitions of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

Trump is not.

DeSantis might be less RINO than many, many Republicans. But when you compare him to Trump - and that IS the gauge - DeSantis is a RINO.

Can you give me an example of him acting against the people in beholden to the people that fund him? He certainly went against them in sending the migrants to Martha's Vineyard, taking on Disney and holding the line on the so called "don't say gay" legislation, and for 2 years of attacks over Covid. I will grant you that it is a risk that he gets swallowed up by the swamp, but any evidence he is under their control to date or are we just jumping on the Sundance bullschit?

DeSantis could turn out to be a sell out. It is never a good bet to put much stock in the integrity of someone who willingly puts themselves through the political gristmill. That suggests, at a minimum, some sort of personality defect.

But, like you’ve stated ER, the “Claw”s of this forum really ought to back up their sneering with real examples of where Ron DeSantis has come up short. They may exist. But so far all I have seen is someone who fully backs up his talk with action.

Based upon the link you’ve provided above, Ron DeSantis does not appear to be someone likely to be financially beholden to anyone. At the very least, it is unlikely he will have trouble with publicly releasing his tax returns.

But, again, I’m prepared to be let down.

For me the view that Ron DeSantis is a rino is the polar opposite end of the TDS spectrum.

Its also an inability to move on or see past Big Orange, just as TDS does to people.

Right now I don't see how on earth Trump could get to 270. Too much TDS out there, too many never Trumpers, too much media collusion and too much baggage.

It seems delusional to me for anyone to think he can or would be allowed to win. I still support much of his ideals and would vote for him in the general if I thought he could win, but he can't retake the WH now. That's just not reality.

(11-22-2022 06:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  DeSantis hasn't stopped anyone from coming across the Mexican border.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to stop election issues in other states.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to help domestic energy.

DeSantis hasn't done anything with foreign relations or our military entanglements.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to cut our taxes.

There are all these key issues where Trump is a known quantity and DeSantis is not. This assumption he is going to do what you want is just that - an assumption.

I'm not a fan of Governor DeSantis by any means, but these are ludicrous standards to judge any governor by. The Mexican border, foreign relations and military entanglements are all Constitutionally prohibited areas for DeSantis to do anything about as Governor of Florida. Taxes as well unless you're a Floridian, in which case Florida is already a low-tax state with no personal income tax. And Florida is not a big producer of domestic energy, although that could change as renewable energy becomes more important with Florida having great potential for solar energy. He perhaps had more ability to impact those areas as a member of the House from 2013-2017, but he was also 1 out of 435 and was not in House leadership.

There's plenty for liberals to hate and conservatives to love about DeSantis' record in Florida, but it is silly to criticize or lionize the Governor over things totally outside his purview that he has zero control over.

the relevant tweets that point to DeSantis being at least suspect:

Quote:A Twitter user, calling themselves Traditional Catholic, posted an informative thread about the people behind DeSantis. It is a who’s who of America Last financiers who see DeSantis as their vessel to derail Trump populism and return the GOP to the feeble politics of old.

“”60% of Ron DeSantis’ donations have come from donations of $50,000 or more. 54% of Donald Trump’s donations have come from donations of less than $200. Just 6% of these donations went to DeSantis. Ron DeSantis is backed by billionaires and the establishment,” Traditional Catholic wrote.

Quote: Ken Griffin is Ron DeSantis’ biggest donor. He has donated $5,000,000 to DeSantis. He is the founder of Citadel Capital, yes, THAT Citadel the multibillion dollar Wall Street firm that was the main target of the GameStop short squeeze. Also pressured robinhood to stop GME trading pic.twitter.com/xqPnPEWLD5

— Traditional Catholic (@daddy38456) November 15, 2022

Quote: Ken Griffin also stated in 2017 that he was "terrified" about the political hardline against immigrants in the US. He also disagreed with DeSantis' move to fly nearly 50 Venezuelan migrants from Texas to Martha's Vineyard.

— Traditional Catholic (@daddy38456) November 15, 2022

Quote:Toni @Corbans_Corner
·Nov 17
Replying to @daddy38456

he (Griffin) also donated hundreds of millions to the Clinton foundation, Obama Foundation, and Bill & Melinda Gates foundation.

He also financed the creation of the covid vaccine
7:43 AM · Nov 17, 2022

Quote:Freespeech4all@freespch4all
Replying to @daddy38456

Ken Griffin doesn't give a crap about DeSantis!

He is doing everything he can to destroty Trump at Xi's request!

Ken Griffing is nothing more than a shill for the Chinese Communist Party!
warroom.org


Citadel CEO Ken Griffin, who recently announced he would not support Donald Trump's 2024 presidential campaign, admitted that investment in Communist China is a “center of focus” for his company and revealed plans to “increase the size of our commitment” in the region.

2:38 PM · Nov 18, 2022

That's pretty disturbing. Not sure I'd want a candidate for US President to be that far in bed with Communist China (just like Uncle 10% Joe and Hunter), defending them, and seeking to expand investment rather than looking elsewhere. Really, really bad sign for DeSantis to be taking that money.

Anti-Trump (pro-DeSantis) Globalist Billionaire Ken Griffin Admits Company’s China Investments Are ‘Center Of Focus’ And Will ‘Increase’ While Praising Xi Jinping

WeatherTech Founder David MacNeil also gave $800,000 to DeSantis, and his biggest issue is giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. He opposed Trump in 2020 because of Trump’s immigration patriot stance on stopping illegal immigration:

Quote: He also stated he’s worried that top staffers at his company could face deportation if DACA is dismantled. This is a pro-illegal immigration billionaire. He donated $800,000 to Ron DeSantis. Will DeSantis really go against a top donor in regards to immigration?

— Traditional Catholic (@daddy38456) November 15, 2022

Wall Street hedge fund manager Paul Tudor Jones is a billionaire DeSantis backer who has given $1 million to the Florida governor. He is a close friend of convicted Democrat sex offender Harvey Weinstein and helped to fundraise for Barack Hussein Obama back in 2008:

Quote: Paul Tudor Jones. He is a billionaire hedge fund manager who donated over $1,000,000 to DeSantis. He offered support to his friend, Harvey Weinstein, following revelations of sexual misconduct. He also hosted a fundraiser for Barack Obama in 2008. pic.twitter.com/gttqjEaEL4

— Traditional Catholic (@daddy38456) November 15, 2022

Quote: For the folks who continue to insist that Florida was not locked down and, if it was, it was only for a couple weeks, here is @GovRonDeSantis in June of 2020 threatening Florida bars with losing their liquor licenses if they didn't follow pandemic restrictions. pic.twitter.com/CwyTuoIAkU

— SFDB (@sfdb) November 11, 2022

These "purity" tests at this high a level and to this degree are a really terrible idea if you want to win in 2024.

You think some would have learned that this past month.

Whats the point of your candidate passing the "absolute purity" test if they have no chance of winning the election?

(11-22-2022 06:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  DeSantis hasn't stopped anyone from coming across the Mexican border.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to stop election issues in other states.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to help domestic energy.

DeSantis hasn't done anything with foreign relations or our military entanglements.

DeSantis hasn't done anything to cut our taxes.

There are all these key issues where Trump is a known quantity and DeSantis is not. This assumption he is going to do what you want is just that - an assumption.

But he did piggy back on Trump while Trump took the early heat on wanting to opening up the country. So while the governor get credit because he was one of the first to open his state back up.....

but not before Trump was calling for it for weeks before and the polls shifted. Then he went against the democrats and experts. Hell as governor he could have opened up the state weeks before but like every politician didn't have the balls till the polls shifted

I personally dont believe he's smart enough to try and bring in working America like Trump and if not there is ZERO and that's ZERO SHOT at winning an election for President. A lot of people on both sides just dont get it.....

Trumps IDEALS connected with a lot of Americans and enough to push him ahead of the machine he was fighting in 2016. Would have been enough in 2020 without all the laws changing on how you could vote. As far as I know I dont see one thing the governor has said to attract those voters....

other than he's not not Biden and we saw how that worked in the mid-terms

Solomon here...and he thinks that DS should announce that he'll run and let the media and their minions run wild with their crapola and then at the last moment announce that he was only playing them. Oooooh, how sweet that would be. He can do it with a big guffaw at his press conference when he tells them, "I was doing a big Schiff lying to your facesm but you can be assured that I will run as VP in order for the Republican party not to destroy itself because it will and being VP will give me much needed experience in world affairs which I am not getting now as governor".

DS, don't run until 2024, neither you nor Trump will win because you will be splitting the conservatives of this country and it will be as if you were running as an independent and giving much needed votes for the Demons. Stay away until 2024 then there will be no Trump and you'll get all the love from conservatives and the hate from the Demons as they are known to do.