Yeah easy to look back and say we have a handful of great ones lately but only 16 months ago plenty on this board thought we should be starting a guy who as a 6th year college QB is sitting the bench behind a sophomore at Bryant University with 1 FCS win under their belt so far this year.

We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

(10-12-2022 08:33 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

Oh come on. You are disparaging our own team with comments like this. We aren't some last choice destination.

JMU isn't good because FBS players "dropped down" or "P5" players suddenly joined the team. We are good because talented young men signed up for JMU and have been shaped and molded into a great team. Majority of them came here straight out of high school.

TC is a great player who just didn't have the right system and support previously. He saw an opportunity to come here and thrive, and so far he has, like Ben and CJ and many others.

(10-12-2022 01:13 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 08:33 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

Oh come on. You are disparaging our own team with comments like this. We aren't some last choice destination.

JMU isn't good because FBS players "dropped down" or "P5" players suddenly joined the team. We are good because talented young men signed up for JMU and have been shaped and molded into a great team. Majority of them came here straight out of high school.

TC is a great player who just didn't have the right system and support previously. He saw an opportunity to come here and thrive, and so far he has, like Ben and CJ and many others.

Just off the top of my head, Ben DiNucci was a Pitt transfer. Vad Lee was a Georgia Tech transfer. Justin Rascati came from Louisville. Mike Cawley came from Syracuse. And yes--Todd Centeio was an FBS to FCS transfer, regardless of whether his previous systems suited him. And those are just quarterbacks.

Of course a lot of our guys are home grown. But a lot have been manna from heaven.

It's not a knock on our program. It means we're a good destination. Ask Tennessee if they were too proud to take Va. Tech transfer Hendon Hooker. It's working out pretty well for them, and they aren't apologizing.

(10-12-2022 02:11 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 01:13 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 08:33 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

Oh come on. You are disparaging our own team with comments like this. We aren't some last choice destination.

JMU isn't good because FBS players "dropped down" or "P5" players suddenly joined the team. We are good because talented young men signed up for JMU and have been shaped and molded into a great team. Majority of them came here straight out of high school.

TC is a great player who just didn't have the right system and support previously. He saw an opportunity to come here and thrive, and so far he has, like Ben and CJ and many others.

Just off the top of my head, Ben DiNucci was a Pitt transfer. Vad Lee was a Georgia Tech transfer. Justin Rascati came from Louisville. Mike Cawley came from Syracuse. And yes--Todd Centeio was an FBS to FCS transfer, regardless of whether his previous systems suited him. And those are just quarterbacks.

Of course a lot of our guys are home grown. But a lot have been manna from heaven.

It's not a knock on our program. It means we're a good destination. Ask Tennessee if they were too proud to take Va. Tech transfer Hendon Hooker. It's working out pretty well for them, and they aren't apologizing.

wait, Centeio is an FBS to FCS transfer? Didn't he come after we had announced our move?

I guess you could consider him FBS to FCS since it was before July 1. It was after announcing the move though, and he was a grad transfer so even having transferred before he had no need to go FCS. I wouldn't really consider him a guy that was looking to transfer down for playing time, probably more looking to transfer to a team that doesn't suck lol

One thing that I learned in the video JMU put out after week 3 is that TC1 has Lupus. Makes it even more amazing what he is able to do on the field considering what Lupus is and some of the symptoms you can have. Lots of medicines out there now to help, but still pretty amazing.

I think Centeio, like many of us, may have expected a hybrid FBS/FCS schedule in a transition year. Thank goodness we didn't waste him on a year like that.

I love our home-grown players. We get great kids straight from high school. JMU is easy to fall in love with. Throw in a few studs-in-waiting who transfer in and it's a hell of a mix.

Good article on Centeio https://www.savannahnow.com/story/sports...475272002/

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(10-12-2022 02:11 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 01:13 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 08:33 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

Oh come on. You are disparaging our own team with comments like this. We aren't some last choice destination.

JMU isn't good because FBS players "dropped down" or "P5" players suddenly joined the team. We are good because talented young men signed up for JMU and have been shaped and molded into a great team. Majority of them came here straight out of high school.

TC is a great player who just didn't have the right system and support previously. He saw an opportunity to come here and thrive, and so far he has, like Ben and CJ and many others.

Just off the top of my head, Ben DiNucci was a Pitt transfer. Vad Lee was a Georgia Tech transfer. Justin Rascati came from Louisville. Mike Cawley came from Syracuse. And yes--Todd Centeio was an FBS to FCS transfer, regardless of whether his previous systems suited him. And those are just quarterbacks.

Of course a lot of our guys are home grown. But a lot have been manna from heaven.

It's not a knock on our program. It means we're a good destination. Ask Tennessee if they were too proud to take Va. Tech transfer Hendon Hooker. It's working out pretty well for them, and they aren't apologizing.

Not so fast my friend. “…a lot of our guys are home grown”??? How about trying MOST of our players are JMU recruits out of High School, including every member of the current starting OL.

The transfer players who have had a positive impact on the program are there to be sure, but the idea that they are responsible for JMU’s sustained success is a myth.

In another interview this week Cig throws shade at TC’s former coaches. It’s at least the second time he has indicted prior coaching was poor. Kind of unusual for Cig to look down at his coaching colleagues at Colorado State and Temple, but will make for a great story when the season is over. Fleischman can then ask and get complete answers for what exactly Cig coached they wasn’t coached in TC’s previous 5 years.

Whisperer 3.0 can’t reveal the secret sauce in-season while opponents are still trying to figure out how to stop the Dukes.

BTW, TC was rated 80th out of 130 FBS players In QBR last year.

(10-13-2022 04:45 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In another interview this week Cig throws shade at TC’s former coaches. It’s at least the second time he has indicted prior coaching was poor. Kind of unusual for Cig to look down at his coaching colleagues at Colorado State and Temple, but will make for a great story when the season is over. Fleischman can then ask and get complete answers for what exactly Cig coached they wasn’t coached in TC’s previous 5 years.

Whisperer 3.0 can’t reveal the secret sauce in-season while opponents are still trying to figure out how to stop the Dukes.

BTW, TC was rated 80th out of 130 FBS players In QBR last year.

Why would revealing the "secret sauce" after the season be any better? I mean, there are future seasons to consider also.

Cig has always been a pretty straight shooter. He talked about things he had to fix at JMU when MH left also. He calls a spade a spade.

(10-13-2022 04:45 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In another interview this week Cig throws shade at TC’s former coaches. It’s at least the second time he has indicted prior coaching was poor. Kind of unusual for Cig to look down at his coaching colleagues at Colorado State and Temple, but will make for a great story when the season is over. Fleischman can then ask and get complete answers for what exactly Cig coached they wasn’t coached in TC’s previous 5 years.

Whisperer 3.0 can’t reveal the secret sauce in-season while opponents are still trying to figure out how to stop the Dukes.

BTW, TC was rated 80th out of 130 FBS players In QBR last year.

He played on bad teams and the coaches did not use him in the right way. He played from mostly under center which completely goes against his skill set and the Temple coaches played a rotation that never worked. It isn't really a big deal that he stated that Todd is now been put in a position to thrive and did not have good coaching. In fact it isn't really surprising since the coaches he had at Temple and CSU are no longer employed because they were not successful in the least. His original coach at Temple was Matt Rhule though he left before Todd came, then Geoff Collins (uneployed), Rod Carey (unemployed), and Addazio (unemployed).

(10-13-2022 04:58 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(10-13-2022 04:45 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  In another interview this week Cig throws shade at TC’s former coaches. It’s at least the second time he has indicted prior coaching was poor. Kind of unusual for Cig to look down at his coaching colleagues at Colorado State and Temple, but will make for a great story when the season is over. Fleischman can then ask and get complete answers for what exactly Cig coached they wasn’t coached in TC’s previous 5 years.

Whisperer 3.0 can’t reveal the secret sauce in-season while opponents are still trying to figure out how to stop the Dukes.

BTW, TC was rated 80th out of 130 FBS players In QBR last year.

He played on bad teams and the coaches did not use him in the right way. He played from mostly under center which completely goes against his skill set and the Temple coaches played a rotation that never worked. It isn't really a big deal that he stated that Todd is now been put in a position to thrive and did not have good coaching. In fact it isn't really surprising since the coaches he had at Temple and CSU are no longer employed because they were not successful in the least. His original coach at Temple was Matt Rhule though he left before Todd came, then Geoff Collins (uneployed), Rod Carey (unemployed), and Addazio (unemployed).

At least one other aspect that has changed is JMU puts more decision making in the hands of the QB, its more read option type plays. The exact mix of what the coaches call and what decisions TC makes aren't clear, but TC mentioned it was a far more complex offense than he had ever seen previously. We make it difficult for the defense to know whats coming.

(10-13-2022 03:49 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 02:11 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 01:13 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-12-2022 08:33 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  We've been fortunate is all. A lot of that dynamic has been quality FBS guys who are buried on the bench dropping down to FCS for a fresh start and playing time. That dynamic has changed, but there's a home in the SBC for P5 kids who aren't seeing the field.

Oh come on. You are disparaging our own team with comments like this. We aren't some last choice destination.

JMU isn't good because FBS players "dropped down" or "P5" players suddenly joined the team. We are good because talented young men signed up for JMU and have been shaped and molded into a great team. Majority of them came here straight out of high school.

TC is a great player who just didn't have the right system and support previously. He saw an opportunity to come here and thrive, and so far he has, like Ben and CJ and many others.

Just off the top of my head, Ben DiNucci was a Pitt transfer. Vad Lee was a Georgia Tech transfer. Justin Rascati came from Louisville. Mike Cawley came from Syracuse. And yes--Todd Centeio was an FBS to FCS transfer, regardless of whether his previous systems suited him. And those are just quarterbacks.

Of course a lot of our guys are home grown. But a lot have been manna from heaven.

It's not a knock on our program. It means we're a good destination. Ask Tennessee if they were too proud to take Va. Tech transfer Hendon Hooker. It's working out pretty well for them, and they aren't apologizing.

Not so fast my friend. “…a lot of our guys are home grown”??? How about trying MOST of our players are JMU recruits out of High School, including every member of the current starting OL.

The transfer players who have had a positive impact on the program are there to be sure, but the idea that they are responsible for JMU’s sustained success is a myth.

I worded that poorly. Thinking of impact players. Of course most to nearly all of the team is home-grown. My bad.

In that same DNR article that talks about Centeio not being utilized and coached properly, it also mentions that Centeio’s scholarship was not going to be renewed for his last year at Colorado St.
Their new coach, Jay Norvell, brought in 3 new QBs for his air raid offense and I assume had no use for a dual threat type QB (even though he was a starter). They are not exactly lighting up the scoreboard out there in Ft. Collins, averaging 12 points a game this season. Their loss has been our gain.

(10-15-2022 07:45 AM)olddawg Wrote:  In that same DNR article that talks about Centeio not being utilized and coached properly, it also mentions that Centeio’s scholarship was not going to be renewed for his last year at Colorado St.
Their new coach, Jay Norvell, brought in 3 new QBs for his air raid offense and I assume had no use for a dual threat type QB (even though he was a starter). They are not exactly lighting up the scoreboard out there in Ft. Collins, averaging 12 points a game this season. Their loss has been our gain.

Norvell is a moron. The CSU admin loves morons and keeps hiring them. How many talented athletes have had their careers die there?

CSU should be prime recruiting ground for Cig.

CSU is 1-4 this year, lost 41-10 to Sacramento St. Woof!

Wonder if they have any other talent talent on that team? Maybe we can start a CSU -> JMU pipeline.

(10-15-2022 08:43 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  CSU is 1-4 this year, lost 41-10 to Sacramento St. Woof!

Wonder if they have any other talent talent on that team? Maybe we can start a CSU -> JMU pipeline.

Seriously! CSU wouldn't be a good FCS team. And how bad does Nevada have to be to lose to CDU? Both of those teams should move to Div III where they have a chance of winning.

LOL! Nevada lost to Incarnate Friggin Word, who hung 55 points on them.

Except for MAYBE Boise State ("maybe" because they lost to horrible-at-football UTEP), the entire Mountain West Conference should probably be FCS.

(10-15-2022 08:31 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-15-2022 07:45 AM)olddawg Wrote:  In that same DNR article that talks about Centeio not being utilized and coached properly, it also mentions that Centeio’s scholarship was not going to be renewed for his last year at Colorado St.
Their new coach, Jay Norvell, brought in 3 new QBs for his air raid offense and I assume had no use for a dual threat type QB (even though he was a starter). They are not exactly lighting up the scoreboard out there in Ft. Collins, averaging 12 points a game this season. Their loss has been our gain.

Norvell is a moron. The CSU admin loves morons and keeps hiring them. How many talented athletes have had their careers die there?

CSU should be prime recruiting ground for Cig.

I don't know about that. Norvell's had a coaching career that's spanned college and NFL teams. He took Nevada, which has the smallest athletics budget in the Mountain West (smaller then JMU's by a significant margin) to 4 straight bowls. CSU made a bad hire in Addazio, but it was bad not only because he was terrible at talent evaluations and at player relationships, but because he had no recruiting pipelines and made little effort to establish them. Norvell has a reputation as a very good recruiter in the region.

The rebuild there will take more than one season. It's not an easy place to recruit to, but they have money and are willing to spend it. I like their chances based on his record a bit more than you do.