I can see why he's endeared himself to the Indiana faithful with his frenzied approach but he's selling a load of transparent nonsense in that press conference. I imagine he sees it coming (Vegas certainly does), but I hope we humble the hell out of Indiana on Saturday.
(09-20-2022 08:54 AM)Cat-Man Wrote: Yeah...a two QB system worked 17 and 25 years ago. It can work now!
I mean, Oklahoma won a National Championship in 1985 running the wishbone option. Maybe we should run that, since we have Prater and so many talented running backs?
Ok. how about Bama in 2018...mostly Hurts, but also used Tua at times in the season, then road Tua the second half of the National Championship.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for anything specific. But to say it has "never" worked just isn't accurate. LSU also won a National Title in 2007 playing 2 different qbs.
These are just the biggest examples. Teams have played 2 QBs at various times and been effective. It doesn't necessarily mean playing 2 qbs in this situation is the right decision.
I got no problem having special packages with 2 QB's, but there are people advocating having a rotating/alternating QB system. No thanks.
Yeah, to be clear, I wasn't saying having certain packages could potentially work (though I still don't like that all that much either honestly). I was saying having a situation where a QB just walks out onto the field for random plays won't work...because it just won't.
I also hate the idea of alternating series like some have said because it is absolutely impossible for players to handle that what with different cadences, playing tendencies, throwing capabilities, etc.
The truth of the matter is that we have a QB with a 70%+ completion percentage who is averaging almost 300 yard and 3 TDs a game so far who is top 25 in every major passing stat and 2-1 with that one loss being a 7 point defeat AT the #9 team in the country. If you are advocating for removing that individual, you clearly don't care about being objective and just want the Cincinnati kid in. That's fine...but just admit that. Also, recognize that the situations many are referencing with Tim Tebow/Tua Tagovailoa/etc. included a generational talent and Heisman Trophy finalist. I can tell you from having actually seen Prater practice and play that he is not that.
Who said anything about alternating series? Now you're making crap up.
I don't care what Bryant's stats are. He missed wide open TD's that would have won us the game. The guys on the CBS sports network show last night said as much too when assessing the Arkansas-A&M game.
It wouldn't hurt anything to put Prater in the game for a series here and there just to switch things up and keep the defense on it's heels. I don't even know where Wyoming is at and I dont care.
Why don't you quit talking down to the rest of us like you're the only one that knows anything about football.
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2022 08:05 AM by Bear Catlett.)
I can see why he's endeared himself to the Indiana faithful with his frenzied approach but he's selling a load of transparent nonsense in that press conference. I imagine he sees it coming (Vegas certainly does), but I hope we humble the hell out of Indiana on Saturday.
Bolded, with you on that and even though UC is now (nearly) P5, the Bearcats will have to continue proving to some critics (and B10 fans) that Cincinnati is worthy. Taking care of business Saturday afternoon will be another positive step.
I was listening to most of Allen's remarks while working on something else last night and I believe he said their center had a hand injury. As with all coaches he was ambiguous about if or how much he would play on Saturday but if IU has disruption at that key spot on the O line it may well impact the outcome on some level.
I can see why he's endeared himself to the Indiana faithful with his frenzied approach but he's selling a load of transparent nonsense in that press conference. I imagine he sees it coming (Vegas certainly does), but I hope we humble the hell out of Indiana on Saturday.
Bolded, with you on that and even though UC is now (nearly) P5, the Bearcats will have to continue proving to some critics (and B10 fans) that Cincinnati is worthy. Taking care of business Saturday afternoon will be another positive step.
I was listening to most of Allen's remarks while working on something else last night and I believe he said their center had a hand injury. As with all coaches he was ambiguous about if or how much he would play on Saturday but if IU has disruption at that key spot on the O line it may well impact the outcome on some level.
It's been a decade since UC has hosted a Big Ten team. More favorable results at home. Big Ten record this century (4-9) overall, (2-1) home, (2-7) away, (0-1) neutral site:
2021 @Indiana W 38-24
2019 @Columbus L 42-0
2017 @Michigan L 36-14
2016 @Purdue W 38-20
2014 @Columbus L 50-28
2013 @Illinois L 45-17
2013 Purdue W 42-7
2009 Illinois W 49-36
2006 @Columbus L 37-7
2005 @Penn State L 42-24
2004 @Columbus L 27-6
2002 Columbus - Paul Brown L 23-19
2001 Purdue L 19-14
You could look at it another way. Few Big Ten teams have any success against O$U. Take away our five losses to Columbus over the last two decades, and we are 4-4 against the remainder of the Big Ten. My guess is that if UC was in the Big Ten, we’d be .500 or better in conference games most years.
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He is animated on the sideline, I'll give you that. The highlights from last year's game in Bloomington show him melting down on several occasions as the Bearcats pulled away.
(09-21-2022 08:07 AM)vabearcat Wrote: You could look at it another way. Few Big Ten teams have any success against O$U. Take away our five losses to Columbus over the last two decades, and we are 4-4 against the remainder of the Big Ten. My guess is that if UC was in the Big Ten, we’d be .500 or better in conference games most years.
Outside of Michigan and Penn State, the rest of the B10 has been completely dominated historically by OSU. Even with Michigan, the majority of their 59 wins over the Buckeyes came prior to 1951*.
Indiana 77-12-5
Purdue 40-15-2
Illinois 68-30-4
Northwestern 64-14-1
Wisconsin 61-18-5
Minnesota 56-7
Iowa 46-15-3
Michigan State 35-15
Michigan 51-59-6 *
Penn State 22-14
Nebraska 9-1
I didn't look up Rutgers and Maryland but we all know the answer to those matchups. UC would be fine in the B10 against the rest of the field.
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2022 10:04 AM by CliftonAve.)
He is animated on the sideline, I'll give you that. The highlights from last year's game in Bloomington show him melting down on several occasions as the Bearcats pulled away.
Don't forget, if #47 hadn't gotten kicked out of the game... they'd have beaten us.
He is animated on the sideline, I'll give you that. The highlights from last year's game in Bloomington show him melting down on several occasions as the Bearcats pulled away.
Don't forget, if #47 hadn't gotten kicked out of the game... they'd have beaten us.
Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
(This post was last modified: 09-21-2022 12:35 PM by Poseidon.)
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(09-21-2022 12:34 PM)Poseidon Wrote: Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
Through 3 games, it does appear that Gino favors passing over a dual threat ability in his play calling, and builds his route combinations for someone who is able navigate a pocket and keep eyes downfield. The offense with Ridder was very much a 1.5 read passing game, there was a primary read and a glance before he tucked and ran. This season there have been many more post-snap progression route combinations, rather than specifically pre-snap read passes.
(09-21-2022 12:34 PM)Poseidon Wrote: Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
Through 3 games, it does appear that Gino favors passing over a dual threat ability in his play calling, and builds his route combinations for someone who is able navigate a pocket and keep eyes downfield. The offense with Ridder was very much a 1.5 read passing game, there was a primary read and a glance before he tucked and ran. This season there have been many more post-snap progression route combinations, rather than specifically pre-snap read passes.
Maybe it had to do with Gino having a more prominent role, but that certainly wasn't last year's offense. Last year it was a lot of NFL type route combinations with Ridder going through NFL type progressions.
(09-21-2022 10:37 AM)RuckleSt Wrote: We need to create a new term for delusional hoosier fans. I propose "dehoosiernal", it really rolls off the tongue.
For some reason it won't roll off of my tongue. Fuk 'da Whozures! does however.
(09-21-2022 12:34 PM)Poseidon Wrote: Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
Through 3 games, it does appear that Gino favors passing over a dual threat ability in his play calling, and builds his route combinations for someone who is able navigate a pocket and keep eyes downfield. The offense with Ridder was very much a 1.5 read passing game, there was a primary read and a glance before he tucked and ran. This season there have been many more post-snap progression route combinations, rather than specifically pre-snap read passes.
Maybe it had to do with Gino having a more prominent role, but that certainly wasn't last year's offense. Last year it was a lot of NFL type route combinations with Ridder going through NFL type progressions.
And also just stating facts, Ben Bryant is not a threat to run, at all.
He is a pocket QB.
Ridder could run, and over his time at UC developed a good pocket presence. But MD knew that Ridder was always a huge threat to run.
GG may have more of a pocket-QB style offensive philosophy, or he may be working within the tools that his QB1 possesses.
Regardless of whether a pocket-passer oriented offense is GG’s philosophy or if he is shaping his offensive plans with what he has, I think he has done a pretty good job with his offensive planning so far this season.
(09-21-2022 12:34 PM)Poseidon Wrote: Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
Through 3 games, it does appear that Gino favors passing over a dual threat ability in his play calling, and builds his route combinations for someone who is able navigate a pocket and keep eyes downfield. The offense with Ridder was very much a 1.5 read passing game, there was a primary read and a glance before he tucked and ran. This season there have been many more post-snap progression route combinations, rather than specifically pre-snap read passes.
Maybe it had to do with Gino having a more prominent role, but that certainly wasn't last year's offense. Last year it was a lot of NFL type route combinations with Ridder going through NFL type progressions.
I'll have to agree with BearcatMan on this and even went back to highlights to try and confirm what I thought. Almost all of Dez was presnap knowing where he was going with the ball. I watched 8 mins of highlights and saw one pass where he hit a 3rd progression.
If he so called was so accurate and NFL progression reader as you often ascertain at 6'4 +200 while bringing a UC Bearca (G5)t team to playoffs as number 1 leader I'd love to hear the reasons he was a 4th round pick. I can guarantee it wasn't strength or size. Average arm but plenty good for NFL. If he was so accurate and read 2 or 3 reads when 1 wasn't covered he's an easy top 10 pick. Period.
BTW, I was extremely impressed by his preseason and would have loved to see that against Bammy.
(09-21-2022 12:34 PM)Poseidon Wrote: Random Tulane fan jumping in with a question here. Is GG's offense very different from MD's. Does he favor a pocket passer more than a dual threat guy?
I have watched MD use his players and QB at LSU the exact way he used Ridder and co at UC. I really struggle to call MD's style of offense a pocket passer friendly one.
Thoughts?
Through 3 games, it does appear that Gino favors passing over a dual threat ability in his play calling, and builds his route combinations for someone who is able navigate a pocket and keep eyes downfield. The offense with Ridder was very much a 1.5 read passing game, there was a primary read and a glance before he tucked and ran. This season there have been many more post-snap progression route combinations, rather than specifically pre-snap read passes.
Maybe it had to do with Gino having a more prominent role, but that certainly wasn't last year's offense. Last year it was a lot of NFL type route combinations with Ridder going through NFL type progressions.
I'll have to agree with BearcatMan on this and even went back to highlights to try and confirm what I thought. Almost all of Dez was presnap knowing where he was going with the ball. I watched 8 mins of highlights and saw one pass where he hit a 3rd progression.
If he so called was so accurate and NFL progression reader as you often ascertain at 6'4 +200 while bringing a UC Bearca (G5)t team to playoffs as number 1 leader I'd love to hear the reasons he was a 4th round pick. I can guarantee it wasn't strength or size. Average arm but plenty good for NFL. If he was so accurate and read 2 or 3 reads when 1 wasn't covered he's an easy top 10 pick. Period.
BTW, I was extremely impressed by his preseason and would have loved to see that against Bammy.
Can we trust that this man knows what he's doing? Brian Kelly? Fuk him. Three seasons and he moved on. Big Fick has stayed for a sixth year. He's earned our trust with the QB situation. Some of you guys want to biitch for the sake of biitchin'. Dear Lord. Have any of you been through the shiit before 1994?
I was just curious how much the offense has changed since MDs departure. I know GG was an in house hire, but he could move it to a more strait up passing attack. Not MDs single read and run or pre play read style. Becucause the latter is what it seems he did with Ridder and Daniels at LSU looks like he is doing the exact same thing. So I am thinking it's as much MDs system as opposed to him working with what he has.
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