(08-26-2022 11:53 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  I'll wait for insights from the smarter folks on this board, but I did notice one point that made me curious: why is the identity of the signing FBI agent redacted? Does that suggest that they were running an undercover investigation on the former president?

I'm going to guess due to threats that have already been made towards FBI agents working the case.

Black Lines Matter...

(08-26-2022 11:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:46 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:34 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  38 pages, happy reading. Don't let your favorite media spin it how they want it. Read it yourself

Link

Meh more like 10ish. After first 4 it’s mostly redacted.

lol, yes it was a fast read after the introduction. Nothing ground breaking. The government seems to stake the position that after the June visit they came to the conclusion that classified NDI documents had been so badly mishandled they needed a search warrant for the property to find all the missing documents. The section under Probable Cause to Believe That Documents Containing Classified NDI and
Presidential Records Remain at the Premises is completely redacted. CNN will blow this up, but I personally didn't learn anything from this that hadn't already been leaked

Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed. What is clear is I was pretty spot on---I said the document would be much closer to a total redaction than total transparency and I was right---which honestly wasnt much of a stretch given the political and corrupt nature of the current DOJ administration.

(08-26-2022 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed.

Andrew McCarthy on Fox News theorized that they just wanted to get their documents back because they didn't believe all of them had been returned, but they don't necessarily want to press charges against Trump or anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

(08-26-2022 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:46 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:34 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  38 pages, happy reading. Don't let your favorite media spin it how they want it. Read it yourself

Link

Meh more like 10ish. After first 4 it’s mostly redacted.

lol, yes it was a fast read after the introduction. Nothing ground breaking. The government seems to stake the position that after the June visit they came to the conclusion that classified NDI documents had been so badly mishandled they needed a search warrant for the property to find all the missing documents. The section under Probable Cause to Believe That Documents Containing Classified NDI and
Presidential Records Remain at the Premises is completely redacted. CNN will blow this up, but I personally didn't learn anything from this that hadn't already been leaked

Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed.

Doubt it, that's in the pages and pages of black lines. They aren't going to release witness statements justifiably out fear of reprisals from Trump or physical violence. Only way that ever sees light of day is in a criminal trial

(08-26-2022 11:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  The government seems to stake the position that after the June visit they came to the conclusion that classified NDI documents had been so badly mishandled they needed a search warrant for the property to find all the missing documents.

I would say it's more a case that they wanted to go on an unrestricted fishing expedition, and so they made up a story that would give them carte blanche, got somebody to sign it, and found a judge who would buy it.

(08-26-2022 11:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:46 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 11:34 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  38 pages, happy reading. Don't let your favorite media spin it how they want it. Read it yourself

Link

Meh more like 10ish. After first 4 it’s mostly redacted.

lol, yes it was a fast read after the introduction. Nothing ground breaking. The government seems to stake the position that after the June visit they came to the conclusion that classified NDI documents had been so badly mishandled they needed a search warrant for the property to find all the missing documents. The section under Probable Cause to Believe That Documents Containing Classified NDI and
Presidential Records Remain at the Premises is completely redacted. CNN will blow this up, but I personally didn't learn anything from this that hadn't already been leaked

Yeah the probable cause is what I and think most wanted to see. I saw the Feds would argue that would interfere with an ongoing investigation along with putting the names of people in danger or some horses*** so wasn’t expecting much. I get both sides of that argument but the judge ordered unsealing due to public interest and the need for open clarity. Not the right words I’m not a lawyer but same point of he didn’t really get what he ordered.

Oh well on with my day it didn’t take long to get through at all.

I’m still of the opinion F the black ties.

(08-26-2022 12:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed.

Andrew McCarthy on Fox News theorized that they just wanted to get their documents back because they didn't believe all of them had been returned, but they don't necessarily want to press charges against Trump or anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

That would be a very simple, understandable explanation -- one that even a weasely dimwit like Merrick Garland could have handled.

That this simple, understandable explanation wasn't offered suggests that their intention went beyond document retrieval something more.

Read the affidavit, and what stuck out to me was Paragraph 8, where they are quoting Chapter 37, Espionage and Censorship.... let that sink in.

(08-26-2022 12:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Read the affidavit, and what stuck out to me was Paragraph 8, where they are quoting Chapter 37, Espionage and Censorship.... let that sink in.

The key words there are "unauthorized possession". As President, Trump could authorize whatever he wanted. No one can undo that. It makes a good story, but when it comes to a court, he had he right to do whatever he wanted. He was the President. There is no "unauthorized possession". There can't be. He has defacto right to do whatever he wants.

The one possible exception is if he took something after Biden was sworn in. That might be different.

Circular news reports needs to be banned

Govt leaks selective information to media. The media then reports the selective leaks. The govt then runs to a court for a search warrant and say ‘even the media is reporting on this’. The govt gets its affidavit and mission accomplished.

(08-26-2022 12:17 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:12 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  Read the affidavit, and what stuck out to me was Paragraph 8, where they are quoting Chapter 37, Espionage and Censorship.... let that sink in.

The key words there are "unauthorized possession". As President, Trump could authorize whatever he wanted. No one can undo that. It makes a good story, but when it comes to a court, he had he right to do whatever he wanted. He was the President. There is no "unauthorized possession". There can't be. He has defacto right to do whatever he wants.

The one possible exception is if he took something after Biden was sworn in. That might be different.

Yeah that as well... and this affidavit is quoting a CBS Miami article on Paragraph 30... What the actual ****?

Did anyone find the description of the FIFTEEN BOXES strange? Sounds like they (Trumps representation) sent boxes full of random stuff with unorganized confidential material scattered through it

(08-26-2022 12:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed.

Andrew McCarthy on Fox News theorized that they just wanted to get their documents back because they didn't believe all of them had been returned, but they don't necessarily want to press charges against Trump or anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

If that was true and I doubt it’s that simple, They gave Trump a golden ticket as now he can campaign with snippets videos of the FBI abusing its powers by going through Melania’s drawers and breaking into his safe

Despite the redaction, the intro tells us it is a weak case based just on records issues. We already know (1) he had the power to declassify, (2) other presidents took much more, and (3) the general record keeping laws do not apply to the president, a different presidential records law does. It is plainly another pretext to get Trump at all costs

(08-26-2022 12:23 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:03 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Basically, that makes it sound like they just "figured" there might be more docs in other parts of the home....but really didnt have any evidence of it---but I guess we will see as more of the document is parsed.

Andrew McCarthy on Fox News theorized that they just wanted to get their documents back because they didn't believe all of them had been returned, but they don't necessarily want to press charges against Trump or anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

If that was true and I doubt it’s that simple, They gave Trump a golden ticket as now he can campaign with snippets videos of the FBI abusing its powers by going through Melania’s drawers and breaking into his safe

Yup. At the moment, still right where I was of F the black ties as seemed totally unnecessary.

Re 45:
Former President Donald Trump, in his first comments after a federal judge ordered the release of a redacted affidavit Friday that the FBI used to obtain a search warrant of his Mar-a-Lago property, says nothing was mentioned about "our close working relationship regarding document turnover - WE GAVE THEM MUCH.

"Judge Bruce Reinhart should NEVER have allowed the Break-In of my home. He recused himself two months ago from one of my cases based on his animosity and hatred of your favorite President, me," Trump wrote on his Truth social account. "What changed? Why hasn’t he recused himself on this case? Obama must be very proud of him right now!

(08-26-2022 12:23 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  If that was true and I doubt it’s that simple, They gave Trump a golden ticket as now he can campaign with snippets videos of the FBI abusing its powers by going through Melania’s drawers and breaking into his safe

I'm not sure that would matter... he could have had the documents stored away anywhere, including personal closets. He clearly had documents he should not have had.

(08-26-2022 12:26 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Despite the redaction, the intro tells us it is a weak case based just on records issues. We already know (1) he had the power to declassify, (2) other presidents took much more, and (3) the general record keeping laws do not apply to the president, a different presidential records law does. It is plainly another pretext to get Trump at all costs

Its going to be hard to prove he committed any crimes when previous presidents have set a precedent. Another nothing burger.

(08-26-2022 12:27 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(08-26-2022 12:26 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Despite the redaction, the intro tells us it is a weak case based just on records issues. We already know (1) he had the power to declassify, (2) other presidents took much more, and (3) the general record keeping laws do not apply to the president, a different presidential records law does. It is plainly another pretext to get Trump at all costs

Its going to be hard to prove he committed any crimes when previous presidents have set a precedent. Another nothing burger.

Exactly.

as curious as hiding Ghislane's list...who they protecting?