(08-18-2022 12:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 12:44 PM)boss man Wrote:  China already arms NK as covertly as they can, LOL. But with the idiot Biden* as POTUS and wholly compromised by China, I will not be shocked if BOTH RU and CN openly sell arms to NK.

I just look forward to China deciding drop the EXPOSURE bomb on Biden* and provide undeniable PROOF of how he is totally bought and paid for by China. Maybe they do Hunter first to watch Biden* squirm, LOL

That will be TOO DAMN SWEET.

If he is bought and paid for, as you say, the last thing they will do is expose that. They would hold that over him forever to continue to get whatever they want from the USA.

Forever is a LONG time!

My thinking is as Biden* is about to leave the White House....either due to failing health this coming February OR after losing the 2024 election. So, without question, I fully concur that China will continue to "get whatever they want from the USA" as long as Biden* is in the Oval Office.

But once he is leaving and serves no purpose....China will expose him.

(08-18-2022 07:20 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 05:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The US has the number one economy and the number one military in the world.

True and true. But if we can’t even impose our will on Iraq or Afghanistan after ~19 years, what good is it to have the biggest military? If many of our largest cities are unlivable and dangerous, what good is it to have the biggest economy?

Quote:I like how we are handling Ukraine.

It could be worse. But the US money needs to stop now.

Quote:I wish we could sit out a Taiwan war as well---but with the entire high end chip industry situated in Taiwan----I dont think we can get away with sitting on the sidelines for that one. The good news is its mostly going to be a naval war---so it wont be the kind of quagmire that developed in Iraq and Ukraine. My guess is we would probably fight at a great distance, use blockade tactics, and strike using long range fires directed only at naval vessels and shipping. I dont think it would last more than a few months because it would become clear very quickly that Taiwan isnt going to be captured and the longer it goes on---the more everyone loses.

I don’t know how to project exactly when PRC will make its move on Taiwan, although the temptation to do *something* while Biden is still in office must be overwhelming. But when/if the shooting starts, I really do fear that the situation could go nuclear. I don’t believe that America is in any way prepared for that.

For all the “we coulds” and “we woulds,” at some point all that matters is that we don’t. Sure, we could overrun a country with nuclear weapons they might on our soldiers if we invaded. Oh yeah, we’re tough guys, we can do anything. Lol.

We could feed everyone and have free health care for everyone, but we don’t. We could make things here, but we don’t. We could regulate Wall Street and have moderately consumer oriented laws and a fair system of taxes, but we don’t.

We could have first world infrastructure, we could have the best schools, we could be the healthiest and happiest too. With the amount of money this country has we “could” do a lot of things. But when it comes down to it, we really can’t, or we would. At least we’d do some of them. We have the money, no doubt. But that still doesn’t mean we can actually do any of it because we aren’t allowed to by the people who run the country.

(08-18-2022 07:20 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-18-2022 05:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The US has the number one economy and the number one military in the world.

True and true. But if we can’t even impose our will on Iraq or Afghanistan after ~19 years, what good is it to have the biggest military? If many of our largest cities are unlivable and dangerous, what good is it to have the biggest economy?

Quote:I like how we are handling Ukraine.

It could be worse. But the US money needs to stop now.

Quote:I wish we could sit out a Taiwan war as well---but with the entire high end chip industry situated in Taiwan----I dont think we can get away with sitting on the sidelines for that one. The good news is its mostly going to be a naval war---so it wont be the kind of quagmire that developed in Iraq and Ukraine. My guess is we would probably fight at a great distance, use blockade tactics, and strike using long range fires directed only at naval vessels and shipping. I dont think it would last more than a few months because it would become clear very quickly that Taiwan isnt going to be captured and the longer it goes on---the more everyone loses.

I don’t know how to project exactly when PRC will make its move on Taiwan, although the temptation to do *something* while Biden is still in office must be overwhelming. But when/if the shooting starts, I really do fear that the situation could go nuclear. I don’t believe that America is in any way prepared for that.

Iraq and Afghanistan are both quagmires. Being a third party in a civil war---or nation building---those are not the kind of thing the US military was really built for. As the great Rush Limbaugh used to say---the US military was built to kill people and break things. Taiwan is the kind of thing the US military would probably be pretty good at even though the geography really isnt in our favor.

As for a nuclear war---the one thing thats most important to the Chinese leadership (this goes for Putin as well) is the continued existence of their power. In a nuke war with either----both Putin or the CCP will be dust. So---as long as we arent landing armies on Chinese (or Russian) beaches looking take ground and unseat their government---they arent going to fire any nukes at the US. Our only interest is defending our allies from being swallowed. Since the US has no interest in invading either Russia or China--a nuclear war aint going to happen.

Well somebody above says that “we would” be able to march into a nuclear power and defeat them within weeks, even if they had Russian and Chinese weapons and support.

Just like the US couldn’t defeat Vietnam or Afghanistan, we can’t beat North Korea either. If we could, we would have 70 years ago. Or 60 years ago. Or 40 years ago. Bit as this thread is about Russia and Chinese potentially creating a totally new level of headache for the US military and foreign policy, they can, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. No coulds, no woulds, because we won’t. We’ll just keep spending. That’s all we do.

(08-18-2022 07:50 PM)Todor Wrote:  Well somebody above says that “we would” be able to march into a nuclear power and defeat them within weeks, even if they had Russian and Chinese weapons and support.

Just like the US couldn’t defeat Vietnam or Afghanistan, we can’t beat North Korea either. If we could, we would have 70 years ago. Or 60 years ago. Or 40 years ago. Bit as this thread is about Russia and Chinese potentially creating a totally new level of headache for the US military and foreign policy, they can, and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. No coulds, no woulds, because we won’t. We’ll just keep spending. That’s all we do.

I dont know about beating a nation in a couple of weeks, but we could defeat the armed forces of a N Korea if that was our main goal. The issue is defeating a state's army is one thing---pacifying its population is another thing entirely. In both Iraq and Afghanistan we took out the opposing governments army quite quickly---it was the nation building pacification part of the equation that followed that was a failure. Thats why I know we have ZERO interest in invading places like China or Russia. Even if you are able to beat their armies---you probably still lose over the long term.

I wouldnt throw Vietnam into that same category since we never made any attempt to defeat their forces by taking N Vietnam. That said, our failure there was the same. We were a third party in a civil war and never successfully pacified the population.

The 3 deserve each other in their collective misery.

(08-18-2022 08:09 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  The 3 deserve each other in their collective misery.

Well, the US is 0 for 3 against the 3 of them, so they may not all be as miserable as the dead Americans who died for nothing trying to defeat them to get ahold of their resources so the rich Americans could exploit them. Not to mention the money we wasted there instead of fixing ourselves.

Let American people try to live on the resources North Korea and see if they’re miserable. Every decade, millions of Americans die from drug over doses and suicides because they are rich and free and so happy. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of murders. Straight up 3rd world stats man. 3rd World. We cant even be happy while we’re rich. Don’t make fun fun of the more average countries.