(08-06-2022 04:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010.

Wrong…

(08-06-2022 08:26 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 04:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010.

Wrong…

Very.

(08-06-2022 09:11 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 08:26 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 04:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010.

Wrong…

Very.

Let's see, MAC Conference:

Toledo
Bowling Green
Akron
Kent
Miami
Ohio

Elsewhere:

Ohio State
Cincinnati

That is eight FBS programs in existence in Ohio currently. If anyone thinks the MAC is going to add YSU or Dayton (or any other conference for that matter) then you need to seek help for ingesting dangerous chemicals. I suppose he's going to put Denison on his list next.

(08-06-2022 09:15 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:11 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 08:26 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 04:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010.

Wrong…

Very.

Let's see, MAC Conference:

Toledo
Bowling Green
Akron
Kent
Miami
Ohio

Elsewhere:

Ohio State
Cincinnati

That is eight FBS programs in existence in Ohio currently. If anyone thinks the MAC is going to add YSU or Dayton (or any other conference for that matter) then you need to seek help for ingesting dangerous chemicals. I suppose he's going to put Denison on his list next.

Hocking College plays football… according to David they may be FBS soon. Lol

(08-03-2022 04:21 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 11:47 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  If this ever happened it would make for a fun league and rival league for the Sun Belt. I don't think WIU, UND, USD, and ISUb could make this happen though. I could also see them pulling in some established FBS schools as well.

FBS MVFC

SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

Expansion candidates

NIU
Toledo
WMU
CMU
Ohio

Olympics only
Bradley
Drake

I don't see the logic here. The MAC is already FBS.

The logic is MAC schools would join the MVC now that its FBS for "better" basketball.

The reality is the MAC by signing on to a new CFP deal and TV deal will have the money to bring in better coaches to be more on the level of what the MVC and even the A10.

As a Buffalo sports fan who is a fan of the Buffalo Bulls MAC and St Bonaventure Bonnies Atlantic 10 there is no MAC MVC merger of all the schools that is bringing the combined conference into Atlantic 10 conference basketball level. The Atlantic 10 is in major television markets the MAC and MVC aren’t. The Bonnies would be in the hunt of winning the MAC yearly most years. The Bonnies basketball coach Mark Schmidt makes over $1 million dollars more than the UB Bulls football and UB basketball coaches men and women combined. That is the Bonnies in one of the Atlantic 10 smaller markets Western New York. The Bonnies play there games in Olean/Buffalo. Buffalo television market is like 50 something. Go back to what I said the Bonnies are one of the smaller Atlantic 10 markets they would dominate the MAC in basketball having been a basketball fan of both Western New York basketball teams. The Atlantic 10 conference isn’t the Big East Conference but it certainly isn’t the MAC and MVC television market wise in my opinion. Go Bulls! Go Bonnies! Let’s Go Buffalo

(08-06-2022 08:16 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  If they expanded it'd be after Youngstown State got it's act together or if a bridge from Ohio to Buffalo was ready (looking at you Bobby Mo*, or Mercyhurst.)

The MAC will not add Youngstown State for the foreseeable future. That move would add no value at all. Every current Ohio member of the MAC sees itself as superior academically. Adding Youngstown State would do nothing to grow the footprint or television value.

The MAC adding Youngstown State would be a bit like the Big Ten adding Illinois State. It wouldn't make any sense.

Look for a move to grow the footprint judiciously. Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee would do that. That came very close to happening. Perhaps it still will at some point. We'll see.

(08-06-2022 09:15 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Let's see, MAC Conference:

(08-07-2022 09:13 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

And they blow it at the end of the meme ... it's not "your welcome".

You're welcome.

(08-07-2022 10:06 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 09:13 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

And they blow it at the end of the meme ... it's not "your welcome".

You're welcome.

Gracias.

(08-07-2022 12:19 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Gracias.

De nada.

Why thank you. "Conference" should be lower case. Thank you for that very productive comment. Jesus Christ.

(08-07-2022 05:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Why thank you. "Conference" should be lower case. Thank you for that very productive comment. Jesus Christ.

Indeed it should be Mid-America Conference (MAC) conference. Remember that next time you're at the Automated Teller Machine (ATM) machine.

Signed,
The Department of Redundancy Department

(08-08-2022 07:24 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-07-2022 05:54 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Why thank you. "Conference" should be lower case. Thank you for that very productive comment. Jesus Christ.

Indeed it should be Mid-America Conference (MAC) conference. Remember that next time you're at the Automated Teller Machine (ATM) machine.

Signed,
The Department of Redundancy Department

It's the Mid-American Conference, but otherwise, yes, this.

Even some of our television announcers say "MAC conference." It's an ongoing weird thing.

Do people say "SEC conference" or "ACC conference," I wonder?

(08-06-2022 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

Northern Iowa and Youngstown State both showed some interests moving as well.

Looking at the facilities on who can move up?

Montana 25,500
Montana State 20,767
Youngstown State 20650
NDSU 19,000
Missouri State 17,500
McNeese State 17,410
Lamar 16,000
Northern Iowa 16,000
Southern Illinois 15,276
SFAU 15,000
Idaho 16,000
Western Illinois have an over 16,000 seat stadium.

Not in footprint
Tennessee State 68,798
Jackson State 60,492
Florida A&M 25,500
North Carolina A&T 21,500
Chattanooga 20,668
EKU 20,000
North Alabama 14,216 (could hit 15,000 easily with temp seatings.)
Sacramento State 21,195
Delaware 18,309
Weber State 17,000


Need work to upgrade facilities.
Stony Brook 12,300
ACU 12,000 (have plans for a 22,000 seat stadium.)
Dayton 11,000 (mentioned if they can't get an invite to the Big East, they will go FBS.)
UCA 10,000
Auston Peay State 10,000
Tarleton State 9000 +
Kennesaw State 8318
Illinois State 13,391
Villanova 12,500
Indiana State 12,469
N. Dakota 12,283
William & Mary 12,259
Cal. Poly, SLO 11.075
Towson 11,000
UC-Davis 10,849
S. Dakota 10,000
Utah Tech 10,000 (can expand to 15,000)
EWU 8600 (Held over 11,000 before in Roos Field.)
Lindenwood 6000 (could used the former Rams stadium until they add onto their stadium.)

https://www.sdstate.edu/campus-tour/dana...se-stadium

Just saying...

(08-06-2022 09:34 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:10 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I don't think some of you realize the immense cost of moving up from FCS (63-scholarship football) to FBS (85-scholarship football).

I've touched on the cost in the past. You mention 22 FB grants. Then there's Title IX compliance: 22 grants for women for balance.

Some FCS schools don't sponsor 16 sports (FBS minimum) so the expense of adding a sport. But the grants likely are covered if it's a women's sport (see above).

For a school like North Dakota (17 sports), it's a $4 to 6 million lift to the median expenses of the MAC and that's basically all grants and coaching salaries.

Data: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/fbe05b60

How much does UND hockey cost them?

(08-03-2022 03:23 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:08 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The schools that want to be FBS become FB only members of C-USA while others like WIU, Indiana St., SIU?, YSU? either drop FB-- go to the OVC (FB affiliate) or some other FCS league.

New C-USA with 16-20 members ; the MVC folks would be FB only. NORTH-SOUTH DIVISIONS.

Murray St. remains FB only in OVC.

Probably only 6-8 teams would want to move up.

Why would CUSA want football only members? If they did, isn't UConn the one to go get? They're a former power conference school with a giant budget.

Why would they take the crap they did already? I don't know anyone can ascertain any next move CUSA makes.

(08-06-2022 09:27 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:15 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:11 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 08:26 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 04:36 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010.

Wrong…

Very.

Let's see, MAC Conference:

Toledo
Bowling Green
Akron
Kent
Miami
Ohio

Elsewhere:

Ohio State
Cincinnati

That is eight FBS programs in existence in Ohio currently. If anyone thinks the MAC is going to add YSU or Dayton (or any other conference for that matter) then you need to seek help for ingesting dangerous chemicals. I suppose he's going to put Denison on his list next.

Hocking College plays football… according to David they may be FBS soon. Lol

The Hocking Hawks but pronounced Hox in Brent Musbergers voice.

(08-08-2022 09:46 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:34 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:10 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I don't think some of you realize the immense cost of moving up from FCS (63-scholarship football) to FBS (85-scholarship football).

I've touched on the cost in the past. You mention 22 FB grants. Then there's Title IX compliance: 22 grants for women for balance.

Some FCS schools don't sponsor 16 sports (FBS minimum) so the expense of adding a sport. But the grants likely are covered if it's a women's sport (see above).

For a school like North Dakota (17 sports), it's a $4 to 6 million lift to the median expenses of the MAC and that's basically all grants and coaching salaries.

Data: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/fbe05b60

How much does UND hockey cost them?

$3.87 million during the covid season. $5.25 million for the last non-covid season I could find (2017).

(08-08-2022 09:46 AM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  How much does UND hockey cost them?

Cost? Nothing. UND turns a small profit (revenues > expenses) on hockey*. The hockey budget is comparable (just over) the football budget.

For fun, here's MAC hockey schools and UND (total revenue and total expense, plus FB spending and salaries). That's the basis of my "$4-6 million lift" projection.
https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/be961f89

*20 home dates sold out at 11k per and $25 a seat adds up
https://www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/d...2021-2022/

(08-08-2022 09:49 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 03:23 PM)Hootyhoo Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 02:08 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  The schools that want to be FBS become FB only members of C-USA while others like WIU, Indiana St., SIU?, YSU? either drop FB-- go to the OVC (FB affiliate) or some other FCS league.

New C-USA with 16-20 members ; the MVC folks would be FB only. NORTH-SOUTH DIVISIONS.

Murray St. remains FB only in OVC.

Probably only 6-8 teams would want to move up.

Why would CUSA want football only members? If they did, isn't UConn the one to go get? They're a former power conference school with a giant budget.

Why would they take the crap they did already? I don't know anyone can ascertain any next move CUSA makes.

The additions of SHSU, JSU, Liberty, and NMSU are easy to explain. You need 8 teams to have a conference, and 9 is quite a bit better than 8. These were the best choices that the conference had at the moment when they needed 3 (and understandably took 4).

That isn't a great place to be, but it's understandable unless you want to try to make the case for, like, it should have been EKU instead of SHSU or something (which I don't think you'd have a strong case for with any of the options on the table).

Not wanting football only members is also pretty self-evident. And the difference is that CUSA needed members, and now CUSA doesn't need members and can be more deliberate.

MVFC, EKU, UCA, McNeese State, ACU, Tarleton State, Kennesaw State, Chattanooga and North Alabama should think about joining C-USA, and then split down into two.

East side:
FIU
Kennesaw State
EKU
Youngstown State
Murray State
North Alabama
Liberty
Western Kentucky
Chattanooga
NC A&T
Middle Tennesee State
Florida A&M
Jacksonville State
Jackson State
Tennessee State
Stony Brook (football only)
VCU

West as C-USA:
La. Tech
UTEP
SHSU
ACU
McNeese State
Missouri State
Northern Iowa
NDSU
UND
USD
SDSU
Illinois State
Western Illinois
Southern Illinois
Indiana State
UCA
Tarleton State
Lamar (football only)
UTA or Little Rock