(08-05-2022 04:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ... if the PAC-12 gets down to 2 ...

If the PAC gets down to two, the MWC will consume WasSU and OrSU and it'll be done.

And walk away from the exit fees? Not a chance...

(08-06-2022 09:10 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  I don't think some of you realize the immense cost of moving up from FCS (63-scholarship football) to FBS (85-scholarship football).

I've touched on the cost in the past. You mention 22 FB grants. Then there's Title IX compliance: 22 grants for women for balance.

Some FCS schools don't sponsor 16 sports (FBS minimum) so the expense of adding a sport. But the grants likely are covered if it's a women's sport (see above).

For a school like North Dakota (17 sports), it's a $4 to 6 million lift to the median expenses of the MAC and that's basically all grants and coaching salaries.

Data: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/fbe05b60

(08-06-2022 09:24 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ... if the PAC-12 gets down to 2 ...

If the PAC gets down to two, the MWC will consume WasSU and OrSU and it'll be done.

And walk away from the exit fees? Not a chance...

Like I've said, it won't be two, it'll be zero because the PAC voted to dissolve and divest. (Ain't no way UW and UO and Cali-Stan are leaving money for WasSU and OrSU.)

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

(08-06-2022 09:35 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:24 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ... if the PAC-12 gets down to 2 ...

If the PAC gets down to two, the MWC will consume WasSU and OrSU and it'll be done.

And walk away from the exit fees? Not a chance...

Like I've said, it won't be two, it'll be zero because the PAC voted to dissolve and divest. (Ain't no way UW and UO and Cali-Stan are leaving money for WasSU and OrSU.)

Today's lawyers write by-laws so departing members don't have the voting capacity to dissolve the conference. That's likely the case with the PAC-12.

(08-06-2022 07:55 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 05:08 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:49 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  CUSA gets DI members to keep their conference status during their transitions

But CUSA already has that. This isn't a selling point if it isn't something needed.

CUSA keeps wobbling membership and getting dangerously close to below threshold. Getting a larger group together lends stability.

So CUSA gets "stability" out of the deal.

That iron clad stability that comes from having a large conference.

The rock solid stability we had a year ago?

Doesn't seem worth it.

(08-06-2022 10:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Today's lawyers write by-laws so departing members don't have the voting capacity to dissolve the conference. That's likely the case with the PAC-12.

Correct.
So the eight of ten vote to dissolve ... and then just happen to have soft landings after dissolution.

(08-06-2022 10:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:35 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:24 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ... if the PAC-12 gets down to 2 ...

If the PAC gets down to two, the MWC will consume WasSU and OrSU and it'll be done.

And walk away from the exit fees? Not a chance...

Like I've said, it won't be two, it'll be zero because the PAC voted to dissolve and divest. (Ain't no way UW and UO and Cali-Stan are leaving money for WasSU and OrSU.)

Today's lawyers write by-laws so departing members don't have the voting capacity to dissolve the conference. That's likely the case with the PAC-12.

Isn’t that why the Big 10 left 4 schools behind for now? Is it super majority?

If 4 corners and Oregon/UW are confident enough that they are “always takes” by Big 12 to stay in uncertain PAC, they are confident enough to vote for dissolution imo. If Stanford thinks they are BIG bound or otherwise going independent, that’s another vote. 70%.

How badly does Fox want the PAC brand? Or schools the credits?

(08-06-2022 07:57 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 06:51 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  PAC is one of 5 conferences with autonomy, so G5 schools will be lining up to join for that reason. Plus the PAC's NCAA credits.

In a two left in the PAC scenario, will they retain autonomy?

In a two left in the PAC scenario, will it be two or zero (meaning the PAC dissolves and divests the credits).

There is a possibility that California, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah staying in the PAC 12 hoping for an invite to either the Big 10 or SEC.

(08-06-2022 09:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

Northern Iowa and Youngstown State both showed some interests moving as well.

Looking at the facilities on who can move up?

Montana 25,500
Montana State 20,767
Youngstown State 20650
NDSU 19,000
Missouri State 17,500
McNeese State 17,410
Lamar 16,000
Northern Iowa 16,000
Southern Illinois 15,276
SFAU 15,000
Idaho 16,000
Western Illinois have an over 16,000 seat stadium.

Not in footprint
Tennessee State 68,798
Jackson State 60,492
Florida A&M 25,500
North Carolina A&T 21,500
Chattanooga 20,668
EKU 20,000
North Alabama 14,216 (could hit 15,000 easily with temp seatings.)
Sacramento State 21,195
Delaware 18,309
Weber State 17,000


Need work to upgrade facilities.
Stony Brook 12,300
ACU 12,000 (have plans for a 22,000 seat stadium.)
Dayton 11,000 (mentioned if they can't get an invite to the Big East, they will go FBS.)
UCA 10,000
Auston Peay State 10,000
Tarleton State 9000 +
Kennesaw State 8318
Illinois State 13,391
Villanova 12,500
Indiana State 12,469
N. Dakota 12,283
William & Mary 12,259
Cal. Poly, SLO 11.075
Towson 11,000
UC-Davis 10,849
S. Dakota 10,000
Utah Tech 10,000 (can expand to 15,000)
EWU 8600 (Held over 11,000 before in Roos Field.)
Lindenwood 6000 (could used the former Rams stadium until they add onto their stadium.)

(08-06-2022 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

Northern Iowa and Youngstown State both showed some interests moving as well.

Looking at the facilities on who can move up?

Montana 25,500
Montana State 20,767
Youngstown State 20650
NDSU 19,000
Missouri State 17,500
McNeese State 17,410
Lamar 16,000
Northern Iowa 16,000
Southern Illinois 15,276
SFAU 15,000
Idaho 16,000
Western Illinois have an over 16,000 seat stadium.

Not in footprint
Tennessee State 68,798
Jackson State 60,492
Florida A&M 25,500
North Carolina A&T 21,500
Chattanooga 20,668
EKU 20,000
North Alabama 14,216 (could hit 15,000 easily with temp seatings.)
Sacramento State 21,195
Delaware 18,309
Weber State 17,000


Need work to upgrade facilities.
Stony Brook 12,300
ACU 12,000 (have plans for a 22,000 seat stadium.)
Dayton 11,000 (mentioned if they can't get an invite to the Big East, they will go FBS.)
UCA 10,000
Auston Peay State 10,000
Tarleton State 9000 +
Kennesaw State 8318
Illinois State 13,391
Villanova 12,500
Indiana State 12,469
N. Dakota 12,283
William & Mary 12,259
Cal. Poly, SLO 11.075
Towson 11,000
UC-Davis 10,849
S. Dakota 10,000
Utah Tech 10,000 (can expand to 15,000)
EWU 8600 (Held over 11,000 before in Roos Field.)
Lindenwood 6000 (could used the former Rams stadium until they add onto their stadium.)

David, please show one creditable source for saying Dayton would offer football scholarships let alone try to move FBS. Where do you come up with this stuff, and why do you think that anyone believes what you write?

(08-06-2022 01:14 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

Northern Iowa and Youngstown State both showed some interests moving as well.

Looking at the facilities on who can move up?

Montana 25,500
Montana State 20,767
Youngstown State 20650
NDSU 19,000
Missouri State 17,500
McNeese State 17,410
Lamar 16,000
Northern Iowa 16,000
Southern Illinois 15,276
SFAU 15,000
Idaho 16,000
Western Illinois have an over 16,000 seat stadium.

Not in footprint
Tennessee State 68,798
Jackson State 60,492
Florida A&M 25,500
North Carolina A&T 21,500
Chattanooga 20,668
EKU 20,000
North Alabama 14,216 (could hit 15,000 easily with temp seatings.)
Sacramento State 21,195
Delaware 18,309
Weber State 17,000


Need work to upgrade facilities.
Stony Brook 12,300
ACU 12,000 (have plans for a 22,000 seat stadium.)
Dayton 11,000 (mentioned if they can't get an invite to the Big East, they will go FBS.)
UCA 10,000
Auston Peay State 10,000
Tarleton State 9000 +
Kennesaw State 8318
Illinois State 13,391
Villanova 12,500
Indiana State 12,469
N. Dakota 12,283
William & Mary 12,259
Cal. Poly, SLO 11.075
Towson 11,000
UC-Davis 10,849
S. Dakota 10,000
Utah Tech 10,000 (can expand to 15,000)
EWU 8600 (Held over 11,000 before in Roos Field.)
Lindenwood 6000 (could used the former Rams stadium until they add onto their stadium.)

David, please show one creditable source for saying Dayton would offer football scholarships let alone try to move FBS. Where do you come up with this stuff, and why do you think that anyone believes what you write?

DavidSt does have a Youtube video where he talks about Dayton moving to scholarship FBS football. He sells merch on his channel, which I plan to buy.

The 15k rule is a joke. It's no longer physical stadium size; it's "paid attendance" (not even physical attendance).

Read 20.9.9.3 Football-Attendance Requirements of the NCAA DI Manual. Under 20.9.9.3.1.2 Paid Attendance it says, "For purposes of computing paid attendance figures, tickets must be sold for at least one-third of the highest regular established ticket price as established prior to the season, regardless of whether they are used for admission."

A couple MAC teams are literally having their alumni groups or a corporate sponsor buy just enough 1/3 face price tickets for the last home game to make the season average work out to 15k.

"Last year, ... average attendance was about 6,400. To reach the 15,000-attendance level required for an FBS team, EMU sold Pepsi 50,000 tickets at $3 apiece. Tickets are normally sold at $9 apiece." -- source

North Dakota could define the catwalks on the ends of the field "SRO seating" and sell tickets and 15k would be easy. (And UND doesn't count attendees in Alerus Center suites as they don't control those.)

On the OP, this is just DavidSt misreading a statement that the MVC wants to hold onto its position with an autobid and competing for at-large bids to the top level championship tournament in college basketball. If there is dramatic change in the division structure for getting into the real national championship tournament, they want to be above the dividing line, and if there is a breakaway that makes the NCAA tourney the de-facto second tier championship, they want to be in place to compete for a spot in the new top tier tourney.

Speculation about whether this would involve becoming an FBS conference is silly, since these are changes so dramatic there is no way to know if the current FBS / FCS structure is going to be relevant anymore.

For old geezers like me, the main discussion thread is like a SNL Rosanne Rosanna Danna sketch where she is insisting that there is nothing wrong with having saxes and violins on Television.

On this particular side thread of the discussion:

(08-06-2022 10:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:35 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:24 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:56 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 04:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ... if the PAC-12 gets down to 2 ...

If the PAC gets down to two, the MWC will consume WasSU and OrSU and it'll be done.

And walk away from the exit fees? Not a chance...

Like I've said, it won't be two, it'll be zero because the PAC voted to dissolve and divest. (Ain't no way UW and UO and Cali-Stan are leaving money for WasSU and OrSU.)

Today's lawyers write by-laws so departing members don't have the voting capacity to dissolve the conference. That's likely the case with the PAC-12.

Also the "vote to dissolve" scenarios involve big complicated dramatic moves to multiple conferences worked out at a system, when even very dramatic conference realignment that leaves almost none of the original members behind -- like the evolution from the old Big East to the American Athletic Conference -- far more often involves incremental steps where each step involves a minority of incumbent members.

None of the existing PAC-10 are going to say to a Big Ten offer, "we really want to come, but first we have to sort out a dissolution of the PAC-10 and reconstitution of the existing PAC-10, Big 12 and ACC conference structure." Everything else equal, they would not WANT to leave the assets of the PAC-10 behind ... but if the offer is on the table now, and its on the table because they asked the Big Ten to get in, they are definitely not going to say, "wait, wait, we have a dissolution to sort out first".

It's a lot more likely that if there is a "mass exit" from the PAC-10, it happens from a number of incremental exits, and there really is Wazzou and Oregon State left behind ... and as part of the process, there were invites along the way of the "best of the rest".

It may be SUMMARIZED as "everyone left but two, replaced by the majority of the MWC", but in the actual process, it is a series of steps from where they are now to that end position.

(08-06-2022 01:14 PM)pki1998 Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 12:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 09:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-03-2022 09:26 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  If anything I'd hope they'd invite Montana and MSU, could even flesh it out with some more Big Sky or ASUN/WAC schools

(08-03-2022 11:23 AM)Shox Wrote:  FBS MVFC
SDSU
NDSU
UNI
Illinois State
SIU
Missouri State
Youngstown State

My expansion candidate list:
-Montana
-Montana State
-North Dakota
-South Dakota *Upgrade Facilities*
-Central Arkansas

Could break it up into Divisions:

WEST
Montana, MSU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, SD
STATES:( MT, ND, SD)

EAST
UNI, MSU, UCA, Illinois State, SIU, Youngstown State
STATES:( IA, AK, IL, OH, MO)

Gives you a Conference with the biggest brands remaining in FCS and multiple time zones for TV.

There aren't enough FBS level recruits available in the upper Midwest to support more than 2 additional FBS schools. This is why a lot of posters champion only the XDSU's moving up instead of all four Dakota schools. Montana's heavily recruit from the west so they could make it work by moving up together. The Dakota schools make a living off Minnesota and Wisconsin recruits. The XDSU's and the Montana's would make for excellent expansion partners for a future MWC. The only problem is that NDSU is the only one kicking the can around about moving up in that group. The other 3 are firmly committed to remaining FCS. In fact, the only schools in the MVFC and Big Sky that have shown FBS interest in the past are ISUr and Missouri State. From that point of view it would make sense for those 3 to transition together to CUSA. Being fully transitioned by the time the ACC GOR blows up along with having FBS level facilities and AD commitment could pay huge dividends when the mega realignment chaos strikes in the 2030's.

Northern Iowa and Youngstown State both showed some interests moving as well.

Looking at the facilities on who can move up?

Montana 25,500
Montana State 20,767
Youngstown State 20650
NDSU 19,000
Missouri State 17,500
McNeese State 17,410
Lamar 16,000
Northern Iowa 16,000
Southern Illinois 15,276
SFAU 15,000
Idaho 16,000
Western Illinois have an over 16,000 seat stadium.

Not in footprint
Tennessee State 68,798
Jackson State 60,492
Florida A&M 25,500
North Carolina A&T 21,500
Chattanooga 20,668
EKU 20,000
North Alabama 14,216 (could hit 15,000 easily with temp seatings.)
Sacramento State 21,195
Delaware 18,309
Weber State 17,000


Need work to upgrade facilities.
Stony Brook 12,300
ACU 12,000 (have plans for a 22,000 seat stadium.)
Dayton 11,000 (mentioned if they can't get an invite to the Big East, they will go FBS.)
UCA 10,000
Auston Peay State 10,000
Tarleton State 9000 +
Kennesaw State 8318
Illinois State 13,391
Villanova 12,500
Indiana State 12,469
N. Dakota 12,283
William & Mary 12,259
Cal. Poly, SLO 11.075
Towson 11,000
UC-Davis 10,849
S. Dakota 10,000
Utah Tech 10,000 (can expand to 15,000)
EWU 8600 (Held over 11,000 before in Roos Field.)
Lindenwood 6000 (could used the former Rams stadium until they add onto their stadium.)

David, please show one creditable source for saying Dayton would offer football scholarships let alone try to move FBS. Where do you come up with this stuff, and why do you think that anyone believes what you write?

He doesn't have one. He just writes a list of a bunch of schools without any semblance of thought or reasoning. For instance, whoopee! Youngstown State has a stadium that holds 20,000. Guess what else? Their enrollment is 10,468 (2021) and here's the real coup de grace... Their budget is SOUTH of $14MM (2022 projection from $13MM).

Bottom line, they are in NO position to move up. I would bet the farm that I could find MANY MANY others if I cared enough to look, which I don't.

The Dayton to FBS came out in or around 2010. This commish that is talking in this article is MVFC, not MVC. The reason is the split in D1 would be all of FBS from the rest of D1. The other D1s outside of FBS would be considered 1AA for all sports. FBS do not want non-football schools to have equal votes on football matters. MVFC would want to be part of the FBS crowd, This is why you are hearing ASUN, MVFC, A10, Southland and WAC working on being part of FBS with other schools talking FBS.

(08-06-2022 01:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may be SUMMARIZED as "everyone left but two, replaced by the majority of the MWC", but in the actual process, it is a series of steps from where they are now to that end position.

Say the PAC was two (WasSU and OrSU): Why would they bring teams in when they could dissolve, keep all the PAC credits between them, and join the MWC. At that point it'll be the same group of teams, just a matter of what name is used (PAC or MWC).

(08-06-2022 07:35 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may be SUMMARIZED as "everyone left but two, replaced by the majority of the MWC", but in the actual process, it is a series of steps from where they are now to that end position.

Say the PAC was two (WasSU and OrSU): Why would they bring teams in when they could dissolve, keep all the PAC credits between them, and join the MWC. At that point it'll be the same group of teams, just a matter of what name is used (PAC or MWC).

You can't transfer the credits from one conference to another one.

(08-06-2022 07:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 07:35 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may be SUMMARIZED as "everyone left but two, replaced by the majority of the MWC", but in the actual process, it is a series of steps from where they are now to that end position.

Say the PAC was two (WasSU and OrSU): Why would they bring teams in when they could dissolve, keep all the PAC credits between them, and join the MWC. At that point it'll be the same group of teams, just a matter of what name is used (PAC or MWC).

You can't transfer the credits from one conference to another one.

Re-read the bolded (what I posed initially). There'd be no transfer. WasSU and OrSUI would split the remains of the PAC between them, fold up shop, and then join the MWC.

(08-06-2022 07:35 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2022 01:51 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  It may be SUMMARIZED as "everyone left but two, replaced by the majority of the MWC", but in the actual process, it is a series of steps from where they are now to that end position.

Say the PAC was two (WasSU and OrSU): Why would they bring teams in when they could dissolve, keep all the PAC credits between them, and join the MWC. At that point it'll be the same group of teams, just a matter of what name is used (PAC or MWC).

The PAC is one of 5 conferences with legislative autonomy. No school is leaving an autonomous conference for a non-autonomous conference. And no G5 school is turning down autonomy for non-autonomy.