(06-27-2022 01:15 PM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 11:44 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 11:40 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 10:49 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I don't feel that medical and health care decisions should be limited to a map boundary.

Where exactly does killing babies fall on the health care spectrum?

You don't understand why the Death Cult.......um........Democrat Party likes killing babies?

Exactly! They want to kill all the little brown and black fetuses because they rarely vote democratic when they are born and reach voting age.

Deflection attempt failed. They are all babies regardless of what color they are. Where does killing them land on the health care spectrum?

Right, a CLEAR deflection from the lucid arguments of why democrats are wanting to abort black and brown babies...oh wait...still waiting to see one lucid argument on the matter. But please, regale us...

And spoken like a true ignorant male, if you don't have concept one of what pregnancies, births, and yes abortions have to due with health care.

(06-27-2022 01:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And spoken like a true ignorant male, if you don't have concept one of what pregnancies, births, and yes abortions have to due with health care.

she must read this forum.

(06-27-2022 11:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 11:04 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 10:49 AM)b2b Wrote:  Imagine being so lost that you think politics and religion can be separated.

Imagine being so unaware of history that you fail to recognize that the separation of politics & religion is one of the founding ideals of this country. The right loves to talk about originalism and the Founders' intent when it suits them, but conveniently forgets this piece. When politics & religion are mixed, both suffer.

I will agree with you that when politics & religion are mixed, both suffer.
But I would argue we don't separate religion and politics anymore.

Identity, whether it be gender, sexual, or racial, has replaced Christianity and its many denominations and branches as the nation's dominant religion.

Identity dominates every aspect of our politics and that is a core reason as to why we suffer.

I would also like to ask why it's free speech to dintegrate religion but an unconstitutional breach of church and state to defend it

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I agree. The heartbeat bill is probably the most politically pallible solution in red states with a mother's health exception

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I think you're overstating this a bit. The majority of the left wants the basics. Rape and incest exceptions. Health of mother and baby exceptions. And I think most would be willing to settle for a ban on the rest of abortions after around 20 weeks if it meant they would remain legal nationwide.

But these idiotic things like 6-week bans when many women barely know they're pregnant by then, no rape and/or incest exceptions, ignoring health crises like ectopic pregnancies, etc. are what make compromise with the zealots next to impossible.

This should not be a religious issue at all. It's a societal problem. And I get the individual state thing, but there really needs to be a national standard. The spattering of economic means of varying populations across this country is just too vast to basically punish poor people just because they live somewhere that might put in some draconian nonsense.

On the federal level I think the perge is complete

On the state level however this would be very damaging

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I'm not sure where I think the "line" most people are at, but the 2 extremes of abortion with no limits and full bans of abortions are extremely unpopular, and where many want to go with criminalizing people who get them out of state has the overall popularity of farting in an elevator. Now where I disagree with you is the GOP isn't going to be able to moderate on this issue, because while banning abortion is extremely unpopular overall an extremely powerful, vocal, and organized group of their base have had it as their top issue for decades and it's going to be a litmus test IMO to get out of GOP primaries. I don't think it's going to matter much this election, but this won't just be an issue that goes away this will remain salient for years to come. Pence laid out the goal, nationwide ban, and despite the fact that there obviously is no mandate from the people to do that I can easily see this happening if there's a bloodbath for Dems this cycle (I'd pretty much guarantee it) and then Biden or whoever gets smashed in 2 years (2 years is a long time so who knows but I don't see that loser doing anything to change any narrative at this point). If it wasn't for abortion being put on the table I'd legitimately be predicting the GOP will have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2024. I wouldn't be shocked if they still do, and then the pressure to do this from pro life groups will be immense and the backlash in GOP primaries will be harsh for those who won't go along with it.

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.
https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006
Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

If republicans lose in 2022, stick a fork in the USA.

(06-27-2022 03:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I'm not sure where I think the "line" most people are at, but the 2 extremes of abortion with no limits and full bans of abortions are extremely unpopular, and where many want to go with criminalizing people who get them out of state has the overall popularity of farting in an elevator. Now where I disagree with you is the GOP isn't going to be able to moderate on this issue, because while banning abortion is extremely unpopular overall an extremely powerful, vocal, and organized group of their base have had it as their top issue for decades and it's going to be a litmus test IMO to get out of GOP primaries. I don't think it's going to matter much this election, but this won't just be an issue that goes away this will remain salient for years to come. Pence laid out the goal, nationwide ban, and despite the fact that there obviously is no mandate from the people to do that I can easily see this happening if there's a bloodbath for Dems this cycle (I'd pretty much guarantee it) and then Biden or whoever gets smashed in 2 years (2 years is a long time so who knows but I don't see that loser doing anything to change any narrative at this point). If it wasn't for abortion being put on the table I'd legitimately be predicting the GOP will have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2024. I wouldn't be shocked if they still do, and then the pressure to do this from pro life groups will be immense and the backlash in GOP primaries will be harsh for those who won't go along with it.

Yeah---my concern is a Red Tsunami may turn into just a Red Wave. That said, I think the GOP has more ability to moderate than the Left (we actually let pro-choice members speak at our convention). While I never thought Roe vs Wade was ethically logical (either its a life or it isnt) or constitutionally correct (there was never any such right in the constitution)--I always thought it was a kind of elegant compromise---even if it lacked solid legal or moral ground. It was a compromise that is likely similar to what would be reached if the center left and center right could simply sit down and negotiate a political/legislative compromise. Given that we can save premature babies earlier and earlier with todays technology---at the very least Roe vs Wade was in need of an update for its admittedly shaky 1960's version of "viability" to continue as a reasonable foundation for the compromise decision.

(06-27-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 03:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:06 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Not sure how much you can believe this poll, but looks like the generic congressional ballot has the Dems +7 over GOP - a net 10 point swing in the Dems favor.

https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/06/2...ot-n479006

Question is whether this is real or a spur of the moment knee jerk reaction coupled with oversampling Dems? Do we really have that many single issue voters who vote for gross incompetence resulting in high inflation and damaged economy while trying to implement the Green New Deal that arguably won't be achievable for years down the road?

I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I'm not sure where I think the "line" most people are at, but the 2 extremes of abortion with no limits and full bans of abortions are extremely unpopular, and where many want to go with criminalizing people who get them out of state has the overall popularity of farting in an elevator. Now where I disagree with you is the GOP isn't going to be able to moderate on this issue, because while banning abortion is extremely unpopular overall an extremely powerful, vocal, and organized group of their base have had it as their top issue for decades and it's going to be a litmus test IMO to get out of GOP primaries. I don't think it's going to matter much this election, but this won't just be an issue that goes away this will remain salient for years to come. Pence laid out the goal, nationwide ban, and despite the fact that there obviously is no mandate from the people to do that I can easily see this happening if there's a bloodbath for Dems this cycle (I'd pretty much guarantee it) and then Biden or whoever gets smashed in 2 years (2 years is a long time so who knows but I don't see that loser doing anything to change any narrative at this point). If it wasn't for abortion being put on the table I'd legitimately be predicting the GOP will have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2024. I wouldn't be shocked if they still do, and then the pressure to do this from pro life groups will be immense and the backlash in GOP primaries will be harsh for those who won't go along with it.

Yeah---my concern is a Red Tsunami may turn into just a Red Wave. That said, I think the GOP has more ability to moderate than the Left. While I never thought Roe vs Wade was ethically logical (either its a life or it isnt) or constitutionally correct (there was never any such right in the constitution)--I always thought it was a kind of elegant compromise---even if it lacked solid legal or moral ground. It was a compromise that is likely similar to what would be reached if the center left and center right could simply sit down and negotiate a political/legislative compromise. Given that we can save premature babies earlier and earlier with todays technology---at the very least Roe vs Wade was in need of an update for its admittedly shaky logic of "viability" to continue as a reasonable foundation.

I don't, not because I think either base is more reasonable or flexible than the other but the GOP fears it's base while the Dems despise theirs. Outright banning abortion and defund the police are fairly comparable in terms of their overall popularity. When defund was actually not nearly as toxic as it is right this second right after George Floyd Biden came out and not only said he didn't support Defund but he supported increasing police funding. You and I both know if a single GOP Presidential candidate said something similar in regards to being pro abortion their candidacy would be dead.

(06-27-2022 03:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 03:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 03:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I don’t. I think the cake is baked for the mid terms. However, polling shows outright banning abortion is defund the police level toxic and while the Dems can absolutely trash anyone who pushes Defund the Police the GOP can not push back against what is probably the most organized and most dedicated group of their coalition. I don’t think anything overcomes inflation and everything else this election, but this board is not representative in any way of the popularity of banning abortion and criminalizing those who cross state lines.

I like to think I am pretty good at seeing both sides of this argument. My sense is the American people are not on board with an outright ban on abortion nor are they on board with the limitless abortion rights the Left advocates. As a Texas resident, I liked the bill we had in place----and I have a suspicion that laws automatic "trigger" provision that outright bans abortion (automatically kicks in if Roe vs Wade is overturned) is probably a bridge too far for the majority of Texas voters.

Thus, regardless of my view on abortion----I think its going backfire on Texas Republicans. I can tell you that the vast majority of Texas voters had no idea that "trigger" provision was even in the bill (and to be fair---I doubt many would have thought there was much chance of it ever becoming relevant as most figured Roe vs Wade would never be overturned). Other than that automatic trigger for an outright abortion ban, I think most Texas voters are fine with the Texas heartbeat law provisions. Hopefully, Im wrong and it doesnt backfire on us. I still think economic pain will trump abortion issues in November----but I do think there will be overwhelming pressure in the next session to moderate the abortion law to something closer to the original heartbeat law.

I'm not sure where I think the "line" most people are at, but the 2 extremes of abortion with no limits and full bans of abortions are extremely unpopular, and where many want to go with criminalizing people who get them out of state has the overall popularity of farting in an elevator. Now where I disagree with you is the GOP isn't going to be able to moderate on this issue, because while banning abortion is extremely unpopular overall an extremely powerful, vocal, and organized group of their base have had it as their top issue for decades and it's going to be a litmus test IMO to get out of GOP primaries. I don't think it's going to matter much this election, but this won't just be an issue that goes away this will remain salient for years to come. Pence laid out the goal, nationwide ban, and despite the fact that there obviously is no mandate from the people to do that I can easily see this happening if there's a bloodbath for Dems this cycle (I'd pretty much guarantee it) and then Biden or whoever gets smashed in 2 years (2 years is a long time so who knows but I don't see that loser doing anything to change any narrative at this point). If it wasn't for abortion being put on the table I'd legitimately be predicting the GOP will have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate in 2024. I wouldn't be shocked if they still do, and then the pressure to do this from pro life groups will be immense and the backlash in GOP primaries will be harsh for those who won't go along with it.

Yeah---my concern is a Red Tsunami may turn into just a Red Wave. That said, I think the GOP has more ability to moderate than the Left. While I never thought Roe vs Wade was ethically logical (either its a life or it isnt) or constitutionally correct (there was never any such right in the constitution)--I always thought it was a kind of elegant compromise---even if it lacked solid legal or moral ground. It was a compromise that is likely similar to what would be reached if the center left and center right could simply sit down and negotiate a political/legislative compromise. Given that we can save premature babies earlier and earlier with todays technology---at the very least Roe vs Wade was in need of an update for its admittedly shaky logic of "viability" to continue as a reasonable foundation.

I don't, not because I think either base is more reasonable or flexible than the other but the GOP fears it's base while the Dems despise theirs. Outright banning abortion and defund the police are fairly comparable in terms of their overall popularity. When defund was actually not nearly as toxic as it is right this second right after George Floyd Biden came out and not only said he didn't support Defund but he supported increasing police funding. You and I both know if a single GOP Presidential candidate said something similar in regards to being pro abortion their candidacy would be dead.

If you actually live in reality with the rest of us, you would know pro life has been totally purged from the democrat party and the republican party has a sizable minority of liberal pro abortionists. Where on earth have you been the last 20+ years????

Again, the idea that there will EVER be a nationwide ban on abortion is laughably absurd. This is that 14 year old girl mindset of the progressive left.

We have seen the GOP in power multiple times the last 20 years and they are so divided when in power they struggle to pass even the most mundane and hyper moderate of bills. And you actually think all those liberal and moderate republicans are suddenly going to get in line and vote in a nation wide ban on ABORTION???

I mean come on man, you are not living in reality.

Do you even want to live in reality or just stay stuck in the 14 year old girl reality?

(06-27-2022 01:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The overturning of Roe had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human rights. That's not a religious issue, that is a moral issue.

Ana is the gift that keeps on giving.

(06-27-2022 04:55 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The overturning of Roe had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human rights. That's not a religious issue, that is a moral issue.

Ana is the gift that keeps on giving.

I hope she comes to a believing acceptance of faith in Christ before she dies and meets Him on Judgement Day.

(06-27-2022 04:55 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The overturning of Roe had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human rights. That's not a religious issue, that is a moral issue.

Ana is the gift that keeps on giving.

lol---Ive never heard of this chick---but she just shows you the hot/crazy scale isnt just comedy.

Im actually curious why she thinks the ruling has anything to do with the Bible or religion. This ruling was simply about what is actually in (or more correctly, what ISNT in) the Constitution. Secondly, this entire topic of abortion as an individual "right" hinges on when an individual becomes an individual---or more accurately---"when does life begin?". Thats as much of a science question as it is a religious question---and frankly---I could argue circles around her on this in the secular world without any need to touch upon anything from the Bible.

(06-27-2022 05:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 04:55 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The overturning of Roe had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human rights. That's not a religious issue, that is a moral issue.

Ana is the gift that keeps on giving.

lol---Ive never heard of this chick---but she's what the hot/crazy scale was all about. Im actually curious why she thinks the ruling anything to do with the Bible or religion. This ruling was simply about what the is actually in (or more correctly, what ISNT in) the Constitution. Secondly, its about when an individual becomes an individual---or more accurately---when does life begin. Thats as much a science question than it is a religious question---and the topic can be debated in the secular world with any need to touch upon the Bible.

Someone makes a mashup of her all the time on the youtube. She goes on these unhinged rants all the time I guess.

When pro-abortionists talk about the dangers of childbirth to women, it's rare that it's actually due to giving birth to a child. It's much more likely to be due to error.

Why Do Hundreds of US Women Die Annually in Childbirth?

Quote:Approximately 800 women in the US die each year during pregnancy and within 42 days after delivery. The estimated maternal mortality rate was 26.4 per 100 000 live births in 2015.

Quote:Years of unreliable US maternal mortality data kept the problem under the radar. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) National Center for Health Statistics hasn’t published an official maternal mortality rate since 2007. “It’s a total embarrassment that international databases such as the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development lists a dash for the US’ maternal mortality rate when a country like Mongolia is able to report one,” says Marian MacDorman, PhD, of the Maryland Population Research Center. “Our maternal mortality data are a real mess.”

Quote:More than 60% of pregnancy-related deaths in the United States are preventable, a major 2018 report concluded. Hemorrhage, cardiovascular and coronary conditions, cardiomyopathy, or infection caused nearly half of the deaths, but the leading causes of death varied by race.

Quote:Medical errors, ineffective treatments, and lack of care coordination by clinicians and hospitals are major causes of preventable deaths, according to the report. A mother’s death in the hospital often reflects a lack of preparation to deal with rare or catastrophic complications, says Barbara Levy, MD, vice president, health policy, of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

“Any one hospital is unlikely to have seen a maternal death in the last 5 years because the absolute numbers are relatively small,” Levy says. Consequently, “hospitals put more effort into managing medical emergencies that happen every day versus those that happen once every few years.”

(06-27-2022 04:58 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I hope she comes to a believing acceptance of faith in Christ before she dies and meets Him on Judgement Day.

My first thought as well. Lord be merciful and forgive this woman, she knows not what she does.

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

hey stupid cunTTT …. if ewer willing to fight for my constitutional right (freedom of religion), then it stands to reason I’m going to fight for the constitution which says nada/zip/zero about abortion …. hence, the 10th ewe dipshite, mothertrucker….

this is how easy it is to spin a fkbag…

(06-27-2022 05:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 04:55 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 01:11 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 12:46 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

The overturning of Roe had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with human rights. That's not a religious issue, that is a moral issue.

Ana is the gift that keeps on giving.

lol---Ive never heard of this chick---but she just shows you the hot/crazy scale isnt just comedy.

Im actually curious why she thinks the ruling has anything to do with the Bible or religion. This ruling was simply about what is actually in (or more correctly, what ISNT in) the Constitution. Secondly, this entire topic of abortion as an individual "right" hinges on when an individual becomes an individual---or more accurately---"when does life begin?". Thats as much of a science question as it is a religious question---and frankly---I could argue circles around her on this in the secular world with any need to touch upon anything from the Bible.

it has nothing to do with religion in any sense … dipshites only see what their propaganda deems impactful to a specific voting bloc…