This is even more evidence that Trump may be the greatest president in history.

(06-24-2022 09:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:46 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The biggest challenge is making all these leftist understand what this is and what it isn't. This does not outlaw abortion. It merely leaves it up to the states to decide how to address abortions. Most, if not all will continue to allow abortions although a handful will place limits...i.e. no abortions after 15 weeks or something similar. Obviously, blue states will likely continue to offer abortion up until birth.

Very little is really gonna change but the political spin is gonna be epic.

Abortion mills will shut down in states that place such limitations.

Their business is killing babies...mostly brown babies...and business was good. They will relocate to where the market is more conducive to racking up stats.

Planned Parenthood are taxpayer funded ghouls. Screw them.

Who in turn are among the biggest donors to Democratic candidates.

(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Good News!

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Or condoms and free BC pills from clinics.

Tighten up people, this surely isn’t worth burning the rest of the Country down. Over being able to kill your own babies?

Sick, sick society off the rails.

(06-24-2022 10:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:51 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:46 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The biggest challenge is making all these leftist understand what this is and what it isn't. This does not outlaw abortion. It merely leaves it up to the states to decide how to address abortions. Most, if not all will continue to allow abortions although a handful will place limits...i.e. no abortions after 15 weeks or something similar. Obviously, blue states will likely continue to offer abortion up until birth.

Very little is really gonna change but the political spin is gonna be epic.

Abortion mills will shut down in states that place such limitations.

Their business is killing babies...mostly brown babies...and business was good. They will relocate to where the market is more conducive to racking up stats.

Planned Parenthood are taxpayer funded ghouls. Screw them.

Who in turn are among the biggest donors to Democratic candidates.

yep, a chunk of democratic party donations just took a hit.

(06-24-2022 10:14 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

For the moment, but anyone who thinks either side will leave it there is either being dishonest or naive. Most Democrats will push to legislatively legalize abortion nationally, while much of the GOP will push to ban or restrict it nationally. Former VP Pence, desperately trying to regain favor with his zealot base, has already called for banning abortion nationwide in the wake of the decision -

Mike Pence Calls for National Abortion Ban
June 24, 2022 at 10:59 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 32 Comments

Former Vice President Mike Pence praised the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion, saying, “Today, life won,” the New York Times reports.

He added: “Having been given this second chance for life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/24/mik...rtion-ban/

Pence has always been a fundamentalist.

(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Bet you there are some posters here who would like to see interracial marriage go back to the states.

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Bottom line, babies will still get aborted. You cannot legislate away a societal issue.

Nobody “outlawed” abortions in the US, goofball. It goes to the States now.

(06-24-2022 10:53 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Bet you there are some posters here who would like to see interracial marriage go back to the states.

Yes I'm sure you're right, hmmm wonder why Justice Thomas didn't mention Loving v. Virginia?

(06-24-2022 10:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:14 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

For the moment, but anyone who thinks either side will leave it there is either being dishonest or naive. Most Democrats will push to legislatively legalize abortion nationally, while much of the GOP will push to ban or restrict it nationally. Former VP Pence, desperately trying to regain favor with his zealot base, has already called for banning abortion nationwide in the wake of the decision -

Mike Pence Calls for National Abortion Ban
June 24, 2022 at 10:59 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 32 Comments

Former Vice President Mike Pence praised the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion, saying, “Today, life won,” the New York Times reports.

He added: “Having been given this second chance for life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/24/mik...rtion-ban/

Pence has always been a fundamentalist.

As every genuine Christian should be.

ALL the Apostles and disciples in the NT were. There was no option B.

(06-24-2022 10:53 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Bet you there are some posters here who would like to see interracial marriage go back to the states.

I bet your furious not as many black babies will be murdered now.




See how easy that was?

Do better.

(06-24-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Well at least you said one thing that wasn't ridiculously wrong. it will motivate some Dems to go out and vote. Although probably less than you think based on polls about the issue.

While I agree with the decision in principle, I am concerned this will galvanize the Left in the upcoming election. The Republicans had them on the ropes- young, idealistic Democrats were disenchanted with the Democrat establishment for not going full Progressive. They weren’t going to vote this fall, but now I think they will come out in full force.

We have 3 branches of gov't and the SCOTUS is supposed to be a-political so they don't care how this will affect a mid-term election. Besides, I have a hard time believing that the Dems would be galvanized going into the mid-terms on this news considering the economy will still be in shambles.

This is also not the 1950s either. The wide availability of various types of BC plus the morning after pill that can be purchased OTC should largely mitigate the need for abortions. It makes no sense that abortions are needed to the extent that they are without concluding that people are extremely lazy when it comes to sexual relations.

(06-24-2022 10:53 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Bet you there are some posters here who would like to see interracial marriage go back to the states.

Uncalled for and not needed for the TOPIC of this thread.

(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Not sure how current these numbers are, but...

Quote:Of the 400,000 children in foster care, approximately 117,000 are waiting to be adopted.

https://www.adoptuskids.org/meet-the-chi...20adopted.

Then clean THAT up. There’s a very good reason those who can’t have children of their own end up in Russia, Korea or wherever else to adopt and raise families. That’s NO reason to continue to kill babies.

Fix the adoption system, there are millions of people and couples looking to adopt all the time.

(06-24-2022 10:41 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:18 AM)HCJag Wrote:  There are certain cases where I believe abortion should be legal (rape, under 16, etc), but I don't see how anyone could support no limitations throughout the term. Hopefully the states can pass plans that are restrictive without the total ban.

Pretty much agree. I would like a consensus from the medical community of how many weeks to set the over/under on, and then completely ban it after that date except for those cases you mention. In those, I would still support it up until birth since you're likely dealing with traumatic emotional issues still.

Either way, I would ALWAYS counsel anyone to choose adoption first. But as I stated earlier, that process needs to be better on both fronts.

I think most states are going to converge on laws allowing abortion up to 15 weeks and will include provisions for rape and incest. Beyond that it will be illegal.

I don't think a lot of states will go to conception. Republicans are not monolithic on this issue. Even if the politicians are all one way, the rank and file of both parties have some with the opposite position. Its not really a left/right issue.

15 weeks gives them plenty of time to figure out they are pregnant. And with the large number of preganancies that spontaneously abort in the 1st 3 months, this is once the odds are better for the unborn child.

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

Change any of what exactly

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(06-24-2022 10:46 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

Obergefell actually may have been as bad as Roe. By a 5-4 margin the justices invented a constitutional right nobody would have dreamed of 10 years before. That type of court can take away rights everyone thought was sancrosanct.

There were lots of alternative ways to take care of the issues for same sex couples. And a half dozen states did legalize it. But the court decided on a federal legislative solution.

(06-24-2022 10:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Yes the foster system is great at it's current levels

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There is a shortage of newborns relative to potential parents.

Foster care has issues as those children are older and many of those children are abused and only so many people are willing to do that hard work.

Gee, I wonder why they were likely abused?

Their parents were mostly Democrats?

(06-24-2022 10:48 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Well at least you said one thing that wasn't ridiculously wrong. it will motivate some Dems to go out and vote. Although probably less than you think based on polls about the issue.

While I agree with the decision in principle, I am concerned this will galvanize the Left in the upcoming election. The Republicans had them on the ropes- young, idealistic Democrats were disenchanted with the Democrat establishment for not going full Progressive. They weren’t going to vote this fall, but now I think they will come out in full force.

If state-level Republicans are smart, they will not pass abortion legislation before the November elections. That will mean conservative voters have to show up for the state-level elections to get the abortion laws they want. That would offset any surge in Democratic voters.

(06-24-2022 10:50 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  This is even more evidence that Trump may be the greatest president in history.

lol---I was thinking this thread should be remained "Trump Strikes Back".