(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Stripping away the idea that abortion is murder - it is btw but for the sake discussion let's assume it's not an issue - do you realize that the U.S. is getting close to the precipice of demographic collapse? Europe, China and most countries in the Eastern hemisphere are a lot further along to a population crunch than us so there isn't much hope for them for the next 50 years or so. But the U.S. has a window where we will be less affected by a population crunch and could actually rebound with help from the national law being repealed.

(06-24-2022 10:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The left's attempted genocide of black and brown people took a hit today.

Stupid talking point. Do better.

(06-24-2022 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

It will. You remove a safety net and the acrobat tends to become more careful.

Yeah...okay...when a couple is being sexual with other...many times with alcohol involved...they're going to suddenly stop and say, wait, SCOTUS ruled. We have to stop now and go get a condom! Puhleeze!

It’s not the Supreme Courts job to decide what women can and can’t do with their bodies. That’s what the 1973 decision did, and it was wrong.

Never get in the way of a liberal and their desire to kill an unborn child.

These people act like court just outlawed their right to food.

You don't slip on a banana peel and get pregnant. It is preventable.

(06-24-2022 10:37 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Personal responsibility. What a concept.

1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Yes, of course. But you should know that when dealing with sexual relations that you're not always taking the time to rationally think these things through. And as stated, this ruling is going to change that.

That's completely honest. If you disagree, that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.

If you can CHOOSE to have sex, you can CHOOSE to use birth control.

That is completely honest.

And if you disagree you are taking a less than honest position.

Well, yeah, of course. The problem is that rational thought is not always in the mix when you're in a heated sexual relationship.

(06-24-2022 09:26 AM)appst89 Wrote:  What follows is riots, wailing, gnashing of teeth; the complete meltdown of the leftist loons.

In other words, not much different from any other day.

Probably Merrick Garland not doing his job, as usual.

Boy did we dodge a bullet with that clown kept off the Supreme Court.

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)Niner National Wrote:  The wealthy will still get their abortions. This just means more poor babies born to parents that don’t want them or don’t have the means to take care of them.

No, it means it goes to the States.
It was a poor and stupid “find” in the Constitution of all things from day one.

#inevitable

(06-24-2022 10:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:18 AM)HCJag Wrote:  There are certain cases where I believe abortion should be legal (rape, under 16, etc), but I don't see how anyone could support no limitations throughout the term. Hopefully the states can pass plans that are restrictive without the total ban.

Pretty much agree. I would like a consensus from the medical community of how many weeks to set the over/under on, and then completely ban it after that date except for those cases you mention. In those, I would still support it up until birth since you're likely dealing with traumatic emotional issues still.

Either way, I would ALWAYS counsel anyone to choose adoption first. But as I stated earlier, that process needs to be better on both fronts.

I think most states are going to converge on laws allowing abortion up to 15 weeks and will include provisions for rape and incest. Beyond that it will be illegal.

(06-24-2022 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The left's attempted genocide of black and brown people took a hit today.

Stupid talking point. Do better.

I figured I'd play the game those on the left are playing by bringing up obscure talking points.....i.e. people will have to go to Mexico, the poor will have to travel thousands of miles, there will be a national ban, etc.

But, my point still stands.

(06-24-2022 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

It will. You remove a safety net and the acrobat tends to become more careful.

Yeah...okay...when a couple is being sexual with other...many times with alcohol involved...they're going to suddenly stop and say, wait, SCOTUS ruled. We have to stop now and go get a condom! Puhleeze!

95% of abortions are used as a form birth control.

YES, this will begin to affect behavior in people. Not all, but it will have an effect.

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Well at least you said one thing that wasn't ridiculously wrong. it will motivate some Dems to go out and vote. Although probably less than you think based on polls about the issue.

(06-24-2022 10:42 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The left's attempted genocide of black and brown people took a hit today.

Stupid talking point. Do better.

I figured I'd play the game those on the left are playing by bringing up obscure talking points.....i.e. people will have to go to Mexico, the poor will have to travel thousands of miles, there will be a national ban, etc.

But, my point still stands.

I don't see much of any of that in this thread. And when Mexico and travel to other states was brought up, it was in relation to people of means, not poor people. As always, the poor will be effected the most.

(06-24-2022 10:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:37 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Yes, of course. But you should know that when dealing with sexual relations that you're not always taking the time to rationally think these things through. And as stated, this ruling is going to change that.

That's completely honest. If you disagree, that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.

If you can CHOOSE to have sex, you can CHOOSE to use birth control.

That is completely honest.

And if you disagree you are taking a less than honest position.

Well, yeah, of course. The problem is that rational thought is not always in the mix when you're in a heated sexual relationship.

Funny, its never been an issue for when I was sexually active. It was always very easy. We have to use something or we can't.

Its just not that difficult.

You don't have to wait until the moment of penetration, there are countless options before you ever engage in sex.

(06-24-2022 10:42 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

It will. You remove a safety net and the acrobat tends to become more careful.

Yeah...okay...when a couple is being sexual with other...many times with alcohol involved...they're going to suddenly stop and say, wait, SCOTUS ruled. We have to stop now and go get a condom! Puhleeze!

95% of abortions are used as a form birth control.

Source?

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Yes the foster system is great at it's current levels

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There is a shortage of newborns relative to potential parents.

Foster care has issues as those children are older and many of those children are abused and only so many people are willing to do that hard work.

And lest there be any doubt as to the next goals zealots have for this iteration of the Supreme Court, Justice Thomas makes it crystal clear -

Thomas wrote, “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.”

Griswold = birth control
Lawrence = homosexual sex
Obergefell = same-sex marriage

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-bat...tq-rights/

(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:27 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  "Like the infamous decision in Plessy v. Ferguson, Roe was also egregiously wrong and on a collision course with the Constitution from the day it was decided."

Life wins! Liberals can still kill their babies, unfortunately... but they'll have to do it in a blue state!

Roe is the single most poorly reasoned and fabricated decision in SCOTUS history. They made it up out of whole cloth to fit what they wanted the outcome to be. Shame on them for what it allowed to take place.

This country might start to earn its soul back now.

That's a little strong. Its 2nd worst behind the Dred Scott decision that helped trigger a civil war.

(06-24-2022 10:45 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Yes the foster system is great at it's current levels

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

There is a shortage of newborns relative to potential parents.

Foster care has issues as those children are older and many of those children are abused and only so many people are willing to do that hard work.

Gee, I wonder why they were likely abused?

(06-24-2022 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Well at least you said one thing that wasn't ridiculously wrong. it will motivate some Dems to go out and vote. Although probably less than you think based on polls about the issue.

While I agree with the decision in principle, I am concerned this will galvanize the Left in the upcoming election. The Republicans had them on the ropes- young, idealistic Democrats were disenchanted with the Democrat establishment for not going full Progressive. They weren’t going to vote this fall, but now I think they will come out in full force.

(06-24-2022 09:44 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)Niner National Wrote:  The wealthy will still get their abortions. This just means more poor babies born to parents that don’t want them or don’t have the means to take care of them.

Jeebus. There are other options besides killing them and throwing them into dumpsters with the rest of the medical waste.

If these were puppies, the left would want the abortion mills tried and publicly executed.

Good point. I think the left really hates people.