(06-24-2022 09:36 AM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

LOL how many woman died during childbirth last year, 0? It goes back to the states skyscreamer.

The US actually has the 4th highest maternal mortality rate in the developed world at 17 deaths per 100,000 births.

Our infant mortality rate ranks 33rd out of 36 OECD countries.

We aren't doing well on either front.

(06-24-2022 09:43 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  6-3 ruling

Not exactly, more like 5-1-3. Chief Justice Roberts concurred in the ruling, agreeing that the Mississippi law banning abortion after 15 weeks should be upheld, but disagreeing that Roe & Casey should be overturned.

(06-24-2022 09:51 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:35 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The one good thing about the leak last month may be allowing time for people to process that this was coming, hopefully lessening the likelihood that there will be rioting & violence now in the aftermath of the actual decision.

The zealot wing of the GOP has finally won their long battle to force their moral choices regarding pregnancy on poor women in red states who lack the resources to pursue other options. Enjoy this iteration of the Court while you have it, and remember decisions you celebrate like Bruen yesterday rest on no firmer footing than the 50 year old precedent on precedent of Roe and Casey. Your cherished rights, just like ours, rest on what 5 Justices in a given case interpret them to be.

You keep saying that, but it still isn't true. And repeating over and over isn't going to make it any more true.

The right to bear arms is specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The right to kill babies is not.

And because many of you seem to confuse your preferred interpretation of the text of the Constitution with the only possible interpretation, you fail to recognize that the text of the 2nd Amendment, like much of the Constitution, is vague and subject to interpretation. As I've said, there is plenty in the text for the Court to come down anywhere between zero private ownership of firearms allowed all the way to zero restrictions allowed on private ownership of firearms. It only takes 5 Justices to decide that "a well regulated militia" controls and the right only exists in that context, similarly it only takes 5 Justices to decide that "shall not be infringed" controls and no restrictions are permissible. We know where this Court stands, but this Court will not sit forever.

(06-24-2022 10:03 AM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  They also have other choices like birth control, the pill maybe a rubber.

Watch out. The religious right is coming after access to birth control next.

Go ask all the Roe supporters what it forbids and allows, 70 percent of them would have no idea.

The court is now neutral on abortion, as it should be. I’m pro choice.

(06-24-2022 09:57 AM)VA49er Wrote:  So, I'm guessing that in the 20+ states that will ban abortion, the morning after pill will also be illegal? If so, I can see a rather large black market developing.

I believe most of the current bills and proposals do ban the pills. But it won't even have to be a black market really. It will be really hard to keep people from getting the pill mailed to them from another state or country.

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

That's so sad that they'll be slightly inconvenienced and have to travel to kill their baby.

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

Laws which will likely ban abortion. Making it so they will have to travel to other states or countries.

The more the Left spins on here, the more evil they sound. It's really hard to take anything they say serious.

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

For the moment, but anyone who thinks either side will leave it there is either being dishonest or naive. Most Democrats will push to legislatively legalize abortion nationally, while much of the GOP will push to ban or restrict it nationally. Former VP Pence, desperately trying to regain favor with his zealot base, has already called for banning abortion nationwide in the wake of the decision -

Mike Pence Calls for National Abortion Ban
June 24, 2022 at 10:59 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 32 Comments

Former Vice President Mike Pence praised the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion, saying, “Today, life won,” the New York Times reports.

He added: “Having been given this second chance for life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/24/mik...rtion-ban/

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Approximately 70 million babies have died under Roe v Wade.

I find it disturbing that people can be concerned about women dying (that's not even factual, it hypothetical) or carrying babies to full term yet not speak on the horror of 70 million ACTUAL aborted babies.

Hypocrisy is just not a big enough word here.

You wither care about life or you don't. You can't pick and choose which lives matter and which do not.

(06-24-2022 10:14 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

For the moment, but anyone who thinks either side will leave it there is either being dishonest or naive. Most Democrats will push to legislatively legalize abortion nationally, while much of the GOP will push to ban or restrict it nationally. Former VP Pence, desperately trying to regain favor with his zealot base, has already called for banning abortion nationwide in the wake of the decision -

Mike Pence Calls for National Abortion Ban
June 24, 2022 at 10:59 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 32 Comments

Former Vice President Mike Pence praised the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion, saying, “Today, life won,” the New York Times reports.

He added: “Having been given this second chance for life, we must not rest and must not relent until the sanctity of life is restored to the center of American law in every state in the land.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/06/24/mik...rtion-ban/

Good for Pence. :)

Boooooom!!!! Let's goo!!!!!!

California and their kind can do what they want, but from here forward I will reside in a state that does not allow the murder of babies.

(06-24-2022 10:07 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Go ask all the Roe supporters what it forbids and allows, 70 percent of them would have no idea.

The court is now neutral on abortion, as it should be. I’m pro choice.

^^^^THIS^^^^

(06-24-2022 10:13 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The more the Left spins on here, the more evil they sound. It's really hard to take anything they say serious.

They love killing some babies for sure. They are also complete hypocrites who say a women should have control of her body to make medical decisions but that vaccines should be mandatory. Just trashy scum of the earth people all around.

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

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(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Not sure how current these numbers are, but...

Quote:Of the 400,000 children in foster care, approximately 117,000 are waiting to be adopted.

https://www.adoptuskids.org/meet-the-chi...20adopted.

You know why?

Red tape developed by bureaucrats

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There are certain cases where I believe abortion should be legal (rape, under 16, etc), but I don't see how anyone could support no limitations throughout the term. Hopefully the states can pass plans that are restrictive without the total ban.