(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

Yeah...and? Many states have already all but banned it or effectively closed nearly every clinic in the state...and many more states will likely follow. So women in those states, who have means, will still travel to other states or countries to get abortions.

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:54 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:52 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:46 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  The biggest challenge is making all these leftist understand what this is and what it isn't. This does not outlaw abortion. It merely leaves it up to the states to decide how to address abortions. Most, if not all will continue to allow abortions although a handful will place limits...i.e. no abortions after 15 weeks or something similar. Obviously, blue states will likely continue to offer abortion up until birth.

Very little is really gonna change but the political spin is gonna be epic.

Perhaps.... But I see mores states going the route of Texas. Six weeks.

Don't get knocked up. Keep your legs closed.

Personal responsibility. What a concept.

1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Here come the riots.

What a clown world we live in. People are going to smash/burn cities because they can no longer kill babies in the womb as easily.

(06-24-2022 10:12 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Yeah, mostly. Women of means will also be able to travel to Mexico and other countries to get an abortion.

Simply a false statement.

If the people of a state want to continue the practice they are free to do so

Huh? What?

If they live in a state that bans it nearly completely, yes, they will travel to other states or countries.

How was my statement false?

Abortion is not banned by overturning Roe v Wade

States are now free to make laws

Laws which will likely ban abortion. Making it so they will have to travel to other states or countries.

If I want a bottle of Tequila on a Sunday, I have to drive an hour to buy it. Never seen anything burnt down because of it.

(06-24-2022 10:13 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  The more the Left spins on here, the more evil they sound. It's really hard to take anything they say serious.

Nobody is spinning, and nobody is sky screaming. We're merely discussing, rationally, the effects of this decision as we see it. Try to keep up.

You're the only one spinning here.

#Focus

We must be getting close to CFB season.. First thing I thought when I saw the breaking news was I wonder what the over/under should be on the post count for this thread in the spin room. I'm going 400

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

The people who think this will help Dems in the mid-terms are deluded.

This isn't going to do a thing to help ease Democrats leakage of Hispanic voters and inflation and gas prices are inevitably going to be issue #1 with no close second place.

(06-24-2022 10:06 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:43 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  6-3 ruling

Not exactly, more like 5-1-3. Chief Justice Roberts concurred in the ruling, agreeing that the Mississippi law banning abortion after 15 weeks should be upheld, but disagreeing that Roe & Casey should be overturned.

(06-24-2022 09:51 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:35 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  The one good thing about the leak last month may be allowing time for people to process that this was coming, hopefully lessening the likelihood that there will be rioting & violence now in the aftermath of the actual decision.

The zealot wing of the GOP has finally won their long battle to force their moral choices regarding pregnancy on poor women in red states who lack the resources to pursue other options. Enjoy this iteration of the Court while you have it, and remember decisions you celebrate like Bruen yesterday rest on no firmer footing than the 50 year old precedent on precedent of Roe and Casey. Your cherished rights, just like ours, rest on what 5 Justices in a given case interpret them to be.

You keep saying that, but it still isn't true. And repeating over and over isn't going to make it any more true.

The right to bear arms is specifically enumerated in the Constitution. The right to kill babies is not.

And because many of you seem to confuse your preferred interpretation of the text of the Constitution with the only possible interpretation, you fail to recognize that the text of the 2nd Amendment, like much of the Constitution, is vague and subject to interpretation. As I've said, there is plenty in the text for the Court to come down anywhere between zero private ownership of firearms allowed all the way to zero restrictions allowed on private ownership of firearms. It only takes 5 Justices to decide that "a well regulated militia" controls and the right only exists in that context, similarly it only takes 5 Justices to decide that "shall not be infringed" controls and no restrictions are permissible. We know where this Court stands, but this Court will not sit forever.

Well, you've certainly proved your statement above. You definitely have a "confused" interpretation of the Constitution (yet again). I guess what you are trying to sell us is that you have a better understanding of the Constitution as it is written than the Justices of the Supreme Court, and the vast majority of the posters on this board do.

Stop trying to make the Constitution some difficult to understand document. It is clearly written and easy to understand what the wording means - for most of us at least.

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

It will. You remove a safety net and the acrobat tends to become more careful.

(06-24-2022 10:17 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:34 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Its like some of the low iq people in this nation has never heard of adoption.

Not sure how current these numbers are, but...

Quote:Of the 400,000 children in foster care, approximately 117,000 are waiting to be adopted.

https://www.adoptuskids.org/meet-the-chi...20adopted.

You know why?

Red tape developed by bureaucrats

Well, I wasn't making any statements on the number, just presenting it. But yes, totally agree that it should be much easier and cheaper to adopt. Especially for same sex couples and single adults.

I worry we are going to see a number of extremist bills in the wake of this going both ways.

Some states will take their restrictions way too far, and others will go the other way to an extreme.

(06-24-2022 10:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:54 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:52 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Perhaps.... But I see mores states going the route of Texas. Six weeks.

Don't get knocked up. Keep your legs closed.

Personal responsibility. What a concept.

1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Blue state prog filth are still gonna kill babies.

I don't think any federal law banning or legalizing abortions is going to hold up.

I need to see the decision, but I suspect this is permanently delegated to the states now.

(06-24-2022 10:18 AM)HCJag Wrote:  There are certain cases where I believe abortion should be legal (rape, under 16, etc), but I don't see how anyone could support no limitations throughout the term. Hopefully the states can pass plans that are restrictive without the total ban.

Pretty much agree. I would like a consensus from the medical community of how many weeks to set the over/under on, and then completely ban it after that date except for those cases you mention. In those, I would still support it up until birth since you're likely dealing with traumatic emotional issues still.

Either way, I would ALWAYS counsel anyone to choose adoption first. But as I stated earlier, that process needs to be better on both fronts.

The left's attempted genocide of black and brown people took a hit today.

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

You've bought in to the talking points.

Thankfully morality and the sanctity of life prevailed today.

Unfortunately it only took 65,000,000 babies being murdered before we turned from our wicked ways.

(06-24-2022 10:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:54 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:52 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Perhaps.... But I see mores states going the route of Texas. Six weeks.

Don't get knocked up. Keep your legs closed.

Personal responsibility. What a concept.

1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Yes, of course. But you should know that when dealing with sexual relations that you're not always taking the time to rationally think these things through. And as stated, this ruling is not going to change that.

That's completely honest. If you disagree, that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.

(06-24-2022 10:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:16 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:33 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  What happens next? Women will die. Others will be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term. Children will be born into households that cannot and do not want to take care of them.

Women with means will still be able to get to blue states to get the operation performed. This includes the mistresses and the daughters of prominent GOP donors and members of congress.

And lastly, hopefully this motivates the 2/3rds of Americans who did not want to see Roe v Wade overturned to show up to the polls. I still think the Dems are going to take a beating in November but this will definitely blunt it IMO.

Maybe.... just maybe.... the current and future generations of children, teens, and young adults will learn there are actual consequences for behaviors. Maybe just... maybe... parents actually teach their kids about personal responsibility and the outcome is all of society is enriched with responsible human beings.

But hey you do you

You CANNOT be this naïve. Especially if you think this ruling is going to change ANY of that.

It will. You remove a safety net and the acrobat tends to become more careful.

Yeah...okay...when a couple is being sexual with other...many times with alcohol involved...they're going to suddenly stop and say, wait, SCOTUS ruled. We have to stop now and go get a condom! Puhleeze!

(06-24-2022 10:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:23 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 10:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:56 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 09:54 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Don't get knocked up. Keep your legs closed.

Personal responsibility. What a concept.

1. That's incredibly naïve, especially in young adults.
2. You think this ruling is suddenly going to make women and men more responsible?

That is incredibly dishonest, contraceptive is cheap and even free in many cases and its literally avaible everywhere.

That excuse just won't fly in 2022.

Yes, of course. But you should know that when dealing with sexual relations that you're not always taking the time to rationally think these things through. And as stated, this ruling is going to change that.

That's completely honest. If you disagree, that's fine and you're entitled to your opinion.

If you can CHOOSE to have sex, you can CHOOSE to use birth control.

That is completely honest.

And if you disagree you are taking a less than honest position.