(06-12-2022 07:17 PM)Gamenole Wrote: (06-12-2022 05:53 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote: (06-12-2022 04:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote: (06-12-2022 04:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (06-12-2022 03:15 PM)Gamenole Wrote: I celebrate the news that the Senate seems to have agreement on doing something this time, but the announced deal is only a step in the right direction. Until we emulate other wealthy Western countries with universal healthcare to address our mental health problem and common-sense gun laws that remove weapons of war from the hands of the general populace, we're going to suffer this plague of gun violence. It's only hard here because the GOP/NRA make it that way, these tragedies are rare in every other wealthy Western nation.
Kindly explain how either of those steps would address the problem.
If those aren't effective ways to resolve the problem, then why do you think mass shootings are rare events in Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand?
It's a lack of proper raising of kids like parents did back in the 60's and before, and a mental health issue. The mental health issue is driven by the lack of manners and respect being taught to the kids growing up, the influence of social media on the kids, and the increase in illegal drug use.
Years ago - 60's and before - many high schools had gun clubs where kids openly brought their guns into the schools. It wasn't unusual to see a pickup truck in the school parking lot with a rifle hanging on a rack in the back window any day of the school year - and no one got shot at school. We also didn't have the mall, supermarket, and church shootings that frequent the news these days. It isn't a gun problem. It's a society problem. Don't infringe on the 2nd amendment to try to fix that problem.
Indeed, I agree with you that much of it is a society problem. And there is no legislation that can bring back the society of the 1950s, no matter how much the GOP may wish and even try to do so in many areas. Our peer nations have dealt with the perils of modern society much more successfully through actually achievable means - increasing access to mental healthcare and restricting access to the deadliest weapons.
(06-12-2022 06:30 PM)maximus Wrote: (06-12-2022 04:56 PM)Gamenole Wrote: (06-12-2022 04:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: (06-12-2022 03:15 PM)Gamenole Wrote: I celebrate the news that the Senate seems to have agreement on doing something this time, but the announced deal is only a step in the right direction. Until we emulate other wealthy Western countries with universal healthcare to address our mental health problem and common-sense gun laws that remove weapons of war from the hands of the general populace, we're going to suffer this plague of gun violence. It's only hard here because the GOP/NRA make it that way, these tragedies are rare in every other wealthy Western nation.
Kindly explain how either of those steps would address the problem.
If those aren't effective ways to resolve the problem, then why do you think mass shootings are rare events in Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand?
Only morons make these comparisons.
Complete morons.
Typical rightwing response, along with the calls for those who are tired of daily mass shootings to emigrate. Never is the question actually answered though because you have no answer, which is why you hate this being pointed out. The scarcity of mass shootings in comparable nations compared to the US definitely establishes that a combination of mental healthcare and gun control measures can make these events much less common.
The answer you are looking for is not one you really want to hear. Not only that but our media and congress is afraid to point out when it comes to death by guns. Or murder, period.
I'm going to let you connect the dots on the % and the last number is total
New Zealand 1.5%, 25,750,198 people
Canada 3.5%, 38,246,108
UK 3%, 68,207,116
Australia 1.6%, 25,750,198
Combined total population of 157,953,620
Average 2.4% or (x)3,790,886
USA 332,915,073
(x)44,610,619
When you compare (x) those 4 countries combine have 17% compared to America. Use those numbers and then the gun ownership and you will most likely have the answer as to why there's a lot more deaths by gun in the USA
I'm going to let you connect those dots but that's the most truthful answer you are going to get. People like you or our media and congress are 100% afraid to look at the real answer to the number of deaths by gun in America. One last clue just so there's no doubt you should be able to connect those dots... homicides (per 100,000 people) -
USA 5.0 2019
South Africa 36 2017
"The homicide rate on the African continent is higher than the global average, and far higher than the rates found in Europe or Asia, according to a report released Monday by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNDOC).
The Global Study on Homicide 2019 report puts the African homicide rate at 13 victims per 100,000 people, with the global rate at 6.1 victims"
I'm not a gun owner and think a person should be 21 to buy a gun. Or go through a couple week training and need to pass that test if under the age of 21. Not only learning to handle the gun but a mental type test that someone has to sign off on. But lets be serious....the real problem and answer is in the above information and till that is addressed you, media, congress or the president is really not interested in going at this "problem".
Now you tell me why South Africa's murder rate is 7x as high as America? Then tell me what South Africa has in common with
Baltimore, Maryland 50.62 per 100,000
Birmingham, Alabama 50.62 per 100,000
Detroit, Michigan 41.45 per 100,000 residents