(05-18-2022 10:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  It may take a couple days for the Oz-McCormick dust to settle, still hoping that Dr. Oz is the GOP nominee. Either way we'll get an opponent who was opposed by 2/3 of primary voters

All 3 tried to out-Maga each other. So your "2/3'rds opposed" is again another bad use of terminology.

And the Bernie Sanders democrat in the race pulled a shotgun on a black jogger because 1) he was jogging and 2) he was black.

(05-18-2022 10:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Disappointed that Kathy Barnette couldn't pull it off, but Democrats did get the best possible GOP gubernatorial nominee to run against in Doug Mastriano!

It may take a couple days for the Oz-McCormick dust to settle, still hoping that Dr. Oz is the GOP nominee. Either way we'll get an opponent who was opposed by 2/3 of primary voters, but I continue to think Oz is a weaker candidate. If McCormick wins Trump will swiftly endorse him and that combined with his traditional Republican background may be enough to unite the party pretty effectively.

Considering who Mastriano's opponent is, the governor could be a Republican.

Shapiro really hasn't done anything and then after announcing his run started going after huge companies for labor infractions. After making headlines, basically gave them a slap and that was it.

At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

(05-18-2022 12:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

Did the democrat who pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black declare victory yet?

(05-18-2022 12:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

Did the democrat who pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black declare victory yet?

Of course, because his race was actually decided (unofficially at least). It didn't take long last night since he won with 59% to his nearest competitor's 26.4%. It'll be interesting to see what the GOP can make of the "shotgun incident", I'd be more concerned if he hadn't won statewide election as Lt. Governor already after that, and hadn't won every county in the state last night.

I think its value to the GOP nominee will also be limited by the fact that the other guy is a convicted felon currently incarcerated (on charges unrelated to the incident), and doesn't hold the incident against Fetterman -

Shotgun incident
Fetterman has been criticized for an incident in Braddock in January 2013 when he pointed a shotgun at an unarmed Black jogger. After hearing what he and others thought was gunfire, Fetterman got in his truck and followed the jogger, Chris Miyares. Fetterman said he believed he "did the right thing". The incident was given renewed attention when Fetterman announced his campaign to replace retiring U.S. Senator Pat Toomey in 2022, with the jogger's ethnicity igniting questions by Fetterman's opponents over the possible discriminatory nature of the event, though Fetterman's Senate campaign says that when Fetterman initiated the pursuit, the jogger was wearing a black sweatsuit and mask, and so he did not know the jogger's race or gender at the time of the incident. In response to an inquiry launched by The New York Times, Fetterman defended himself and claimed Miyares was running in the direction of an elementary school, and that he made the decision to approach him with the firearm due to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurring the month prior. Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnapping, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found. Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the Senate race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fette...n_incident

(05-18-2022 01:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

Did the democrat who pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black declare victory yet?

Of course, because his race was actually decided (unofficially at least). It didn't take long last night since he won with 59% to his nearest competitor's 26.4%. It'll be interesting to see what the GOP can make of the "shotgun incident", I'd be more concerned if he hadn't won statewide election as Lt. Governor already after that, and hadn't won every county in the state last night.

I think its value to the GOP nominee will also be limited by the fact that the other guy is a convicted felon currently incarcerated (on charges unrelated to the incident), and doesn't hold the incident against Fetterman -

Shotgun incident
Fetterman has been criticized for an incident in Braddock in January 2013 when he pointed a shotgun at an unarmed Black jogger. After hearing what he and others thought was gunfire, Fetterman got in his truck and followed the jogger, Chris Miyares. Fetterman said he believed he "did the right thing". The incident was given renewed attention when Fetterman announced his campaign to replace retiring U.S. Senator Pat Toomey in 2022, with the jogger's ethnicity igniting questions by Fetterman's opponents over the possible discriminatory nature of the event, though Fetterman's Senate campaign says that when Fetterman initiated the pursuit, the jogger was wearing a black sweatsuit and mask, and so he did not know the jogger's race or gender at the time of the incident. In response to an inquiry launched by The New York Times, Fetterman defended himself and claimed Miyares was running in the direction of an elementary school, and that he made the decision to approach him with the firearm due to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurring the month prior. Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnapping, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found. Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the Senate race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fette...n_incident

lulz....

Gamenole: "Its ok that Fetterman pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black, because the guy ended up going to prison for something else.,.....because he's black and thats what black guys do."

See how I connected "the dots."

(05-18-2022 02:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 01:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

Did the democrat who pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black declare victory yet?

Of course, because his race was actually decided (unofficially at least). It didn't take long last night since he won with 59% to his nearest competitor's 26.4%. It'll be interesting to see what the GOP can make of the "shotgun incident", I'd be more concerned if he hadn't won statewide election as Lt. Governor already after that, and hadn't won every county in the state last night.

I think its value to the GOP nominee will also be limited by the fact that the other guy is a convicted felon currently incarcerated (on charges unrelated to the incident), and doesn't hold the incident against Fetterman -

Shotgun incident
Fetterman has been criticized for an incident in Braddock in January 2013 when he pointed a shotgun at an unarmed Black jogger. After hearing what he and others thought was gunfire, Fetterman got in his truck and followed the jogger, Chris Miyares. Fetterman said he believed he "did the right thing". The incident was given renewed attention when Fetterman announced his campaign to replace retiring U.S. Senator Pat Toomey in 2022, with the jogger's ethnicity igniting questions by Fetterman's opponents over the possible discriminatory nature of the event, though Fetterman's Senate campaign says that when Fetterman initiated the pursuit, the jogger was wearing a black sweatsuit and mask, and so he did not know the jogger's race or gender at the time of the incident. In response to an inquiry launched by The New York Times, Fetterman defended himself and claimed Miyares was running in the direction of an elementary school, and that he made the decision to approach him with the firearm due to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurring the month prior. Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnapping, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found. Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the Senate race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fette...n_incident

lulz....

Gamenole: "Its ok that Fetterman pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black, because the guy ended up going to prison for something else.,.....because he's black and thats what black guys do."

See how I connected "the dots."

Lol as usual, you draw more dots until you get the picture you want to see. Reminds me of someone else....

I can’t see him winning the general. Trump picked wrong.

(05-18-2022 02:40 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 02:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 01:45 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:45 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-18-2022 12:32 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  At least he's consistent. Trump is encouraging Dr. Oz to declare victory in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary before all the votes have been counted, let alone the recount that will be triggered if the final margin remains within .5% -

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/349...e-to-call/

Did the democrat who pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black declare victory yet?

Of course, because his race was actually decided (unofficially at least). It didn't take long last night since he won with 59% to his nearest competitor's 26.4%. It'll be interesting to see what the GOP can make of the "shotgun incident", I'd be more concerned if he hadn't won statewide election as Lt. Governor already after that, and hadn't won every county in the state last night.

I think its value to the GOP nominee will also be limited by the fact that the other guy is a convicted felon currently incarcerated (on charges unrelated to the incident), and doesn't hold the incident against Fetterman -

Shotgun incident
Fetterman has been criticized for an incident in Braddock in January 2013 when he pointed a shotgun at an unarmed Black jogger. After hearing what he and others thought was gunfire, Fetterman got in his truck and followed the jogger, Chris Miyares. Fetterman said he believed he "did the right thing". The incident was given renewed attention when Fetterman announced his campaign to replace retiring U.S. Senator Pat Toomey in 2022, with the jogger's ethnicity igniting questions by Fetterman's opponents over the possible discriminatory nature of the event, though Fetterman's Senate campaign says that when Fetterman initiated the pursuit, the jogger was wearing a black sweatsuit and mask, and so he did not know the jogger's race or gender at the time of the incident. In response to an inquiry launched by The New York Times, Fetterman defended himself and claimed Miyares was running in the direction of an elementary school, and that he made the decision to approach him with the firearm due to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurring the month prior. Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnapping, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found. Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the Senate race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fette...n_incident

lulz....

Gamenole: "Its ok that Fetterman pulled a shotgun on a guy for being black, because the guy ended up going to prison for something else.,.....because he's black and thats what black guys do."

See how I connected "the dots."

Lol as usual, you draw more dots until you get the picture you want to see. Reminds me of someone else....

I guess its a good thing Fetterman is in the hospital. With all of the recent left-wing mass shootings going on, Fetterman could have been triggered to pull his shotguns on more blacks for the crime of jogging.

(05-18-2022 02:51 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I can’t see him winning the general. Trump picked wrong.

It may not be an issue. Oz's opponent is confident the remaining mail-in ballots not yet counted will allow him to surpass the guy from Jersey.

McCormick currently behind by only 1,267 votes with around 95% reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...enate.html

Quote:As of Wednesday morning, the state said there were 105,000 mail ballots in Pennsylvania that still needed to be counted. At least one-third are expected to be Republican.

That number was below 70,000 as of 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

In Lancaster County, workers are hand counting 16,000 misprinted mail ballots. Officials said they're about halfway done.

https://www.wgal.com/article/heres-where.../40039527#

Again, as mentioned in other threads...it's not really feasible to expect states to count all votes on election night...barring MAJOR changes in election procedures.

(05-19-2022 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  McCormick currently behind by only 1,267 votes with around 95% reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...enate.html

Quote:As of Wednesday morning, the state said there were 105,000 mail ballots in Pennsylvania that still needed to be counted. At least one-third are expected to be Republican.

That number was below 70,000 as of 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

In Lancaster County, workers are hand counting 16,000 misprinted mail ballots. Officials said they're about halfway done.

https://www.wgal.com/article/heres-where.../40039527#

Again, as mentioned in other threads...it's not really feasible to expect states to count all votes on election night...barring MAJOR changes in election procedures.

Indeed, and this will continue to happen with close races in Pennsylvania unless and until the state changes the law and allows the processing of mailed ballots to begin prior to election day as many other states do -

https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/...835922002/

Prior's no good either.

Everything's electronic today.

Limit # of mailed ballots allowed, count what you can ALL on election day.

Shouldn't matter even in a close race

(05-19-2022 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  McCormick currently behind by only 1,267 votes with around 95% reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...enate.html

Quote:As of Wednesday morning, the state said there were 105,000 mail ballots in Pennsylvania that still needed to be counted. At least one-third are expected to be Republican.

That number was below 70,000 as of 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

In Lancaster County, workers are hand counting 16,000 misprinted mail ballots. Officials said they're about halfway done.

https://www.wgal.com/article/heres-where.../40039527#

Again, as mentioned in other threads...it's not really feasible to expect states to count all votes on election night...barring MAJOR changes in election procedures.

Florida did it.

(05-19-2022 03:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  McCormick currently behind by only 1,267 votes with around 95% reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...enate.html

Quote:As of Wednesday morning, the state said there were 105,000 mail ballots in Pennsylvania that still needed to be counted. At least one-third are expected to be Republican.

That number was below 70,000 as of 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

In Lancaster County, workers are hand counting 16,000 misprinted mail ballots. Officials said they're about halfway done.

https://www.wgal.com/article/heres-where.../40039527#

Again, as mentioned in other threads...it's not really feasible to expect states to count all votes on election night...barring MAJOR changes in election procedures.

Florida did it.

Unless something has changed since 2020 Florida starts counting mail in ballots 2 weeks before election day

Quote:Processing

“Processing” means different things in different states, but typically the first step is to compare the signature on the outside of the return envelope with the voter’s signature on record to ensure a match.

In some states, once the signature is verified the envelope can be opened and the ballot prepared for tabulation by removing it from the envelope, flattening it and stacking it with other ballots. Some states may allow ballots to be run through the scanner, as well, but without hitting the “tally” button to actually obtain results.

Thirty-eight states and the Virgin Islands permit election officials to begin processing absentee/mail ballots prior to the election.

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virgin Islands, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming.
Nine states and Washington, D.C., permit election officials to begin processing absentee/mail ballots on Election Day, but prior to the closing of the polls.

Alabama, District of Columbia, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Maryland does not permit the processing of absentee/mail ballots until after the polls close on Election Day.

And in two states and Puerto Rico, the day on which processing may begin is not specified:

Connecticut allows processing to begin at the discretion of the local registrar of voters.
Ohio allows processing to begin before counting at a time determined by the board of elections.
Puerto Rico does not specify.
Counting

Counting is the act of tallying the votes on processed ballots for a result. Like “processing,” the definition of “counting” (or tabulating or tallying) can vary by state, and some states may consider counting to include scanning ballots through voting equipment without obtaining a final tally or result. NCSL defers to each state’s terminology when distinguishing between processing and counting.

Most states begin counting (or tabulating or tallying, depending on the state’s terminology) absentee/mail ballots on Election Day. Most states also prohibit election results from being released until after the polls close, and many states make it a crime to share results earlier than that.

Sixteen states and Washington, D.C., do not allow counting to begin until the polls close:

Alabama, Alaska, District of Columbia, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia and Washington.
Twenty-three states allow counting to begin on Election Day, but before the polls close:

Arkansas, California, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Ten states allow both processing and counting to begin before Election Day:

Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and Utah.
Connecticut leaves the time for counting to the discretion of the local registrar of voters. In the Virgin Islands, counting begins after absentee ballots have been processed but the timeline is not specified, and Puerto Rico does not specify.

(05-19-2022 03:49 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 03:43 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 02:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  McCormick currently behind by only 1,267 votes with around 95% reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022...enate.html

Quote:As of Wednesday morning, the state said there were 105,000 mail ballots in Pennsylvania that still needed to be counted. At least one-third are expected to be Republican.

That number was below 70,000 as of 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.

In Lancaster County, workers are hand counting 16,000 misprinted mail ballots. Officials said they're about halfway done.

https://www.wgal.com/article/heres-where.../40039527#

Again, as mentioned in other threads...it's not really feasible to expect states to count all votes on election night...barring MAJOR changes in election procedures.

Florida did it.

Unless something has changed since 2020 Florida starts counting mail in ballots 2 weeks before election day

Quote:Processing

“Processing” means different things in different states, but typically the first step is to compare the signature on the outside of the return envelope with the voter’s signature on record to ensure a match.

In some states, once the signature is verified the envelope can be opened and the ballot prepared for tabulation by removing it from the envelope, flattening it and stacking it with other ballots. Some states may allow ballots to be run through the scanner, as well, but without hitting the “tally” button to actually obtain results.

Thirty-eight states and the Virgin Islands permit election officials to begin processing absentee/mail ballots prior to the election.

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virgin Islands, Virginia, Washington and Wyoming.
Nine states and Washington, D.C., permit election officials to begin processing absentee/mail ballots on Election Day, but prior to the closing of the polls.

Alabama, District of Columbia, Michigan, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, West Virginia and Wisconsin.
Maryland does not permit the processing of absentee/mail ballots until after the polls close on Election Day.

And in two states and Puerto Rico, the day on which processing may begin is not specified:

Connecticut allows processing to begin at the discretion of the local registrar of voters.
Ohio allows processing to begin before counting at a time determined by the board of elections.
Puerto Rico does not specify.
Counting

Counting is the act of tallying the votes on processed ballots for a result. Like “processing,” the definition of “counting” (or tabulating or tallying) can vary by state, and some states may consider counting to include scanning ballots through voting equipment without obtaining a final tally or result. NCSL defers to each state’s terminology when distinguishing between processing and counting.

Most states begin counting (or tabulating or tallying, depending on the state’s terminology) absentee/mail ballots on Election Day. Most states also prohibit election results from being released until after the polls close, and many states make it a crime to share results earlier than that.

Sixteen states and Washington, D.C., do not allow counting to begin until the polls close:

Alabama, Alaska, District of Columbia, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, Virginia and Washington.
Twenty-three states allow counting to begin on Election Day, but before the polls close:

Arkansas, California, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
Ten states allow both processing and counting to begin before Election Day:

Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and Utah.
Connecticut leaves the time for counting to the discretion of the local registrar of voters. In the Virgin Islands, counting begins after absentee ballots have been processed but the timeline is not specified, and Puerto Rico does not specify.

Which means someone there cant create a fake water main leak and generate more votes in the middle of the night.

Notice that since FLorida has cleaned up its voting system, the state isnt nearly as "purple" as it was prior to that.

I wonder if that's why Democrats aren't pushing for online-voting as much as I'd thought they would. The results could be immediate. But they need the delay in snail mail (whether before or after Election Day)

Yes, we count before election day so we usually have races called by 10 on election day.

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(05-19-2022 04:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wonder if that's why Democrats aren't pushing for online-voting as much as I'd thought they would. The results could be immediate. But they need the delay in snail mail (whether before or after Election Day)

They gotta have time to figure out how many fake ones to make

(05-19-2022 04:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I wonder if that's why Democrats aren't pushing for online-voting as much as I'd thought they would. The results could be immediate. But they need the delay in snail mail (whether before or after Election Day)

I'm not pushing for online voting at all...too many insecurities IMO. And if you have an older parent and have had them ask you to help with their phone or tablet...yeah....