‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

the setup: when I was nine, we're all the dinner table (tight knit family and pops was/still is my hero) ... being the oldest of three as a voracious reading sponge in '74, I made some random liberal comment from the boob tube that was being reiterated in the funny papers...

the response: he looked me straight in the eye as I interrupted his sweat-stained forehead pouring in motion (he did love enjoying his supper time forage like he was the hunter) and stated, "son, let me tell you something .... there's one word you need to understand why you always vote ® - 'incentive' ... the (d)s only want to enslave the masses to retain power w/o a platform."

the lesson: one of my fave truisms I've held firm since that moment...

#thanksPops

(04-29-2022 07:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

the setup: when I was nine, we're all the dinner table (tight knit family and pops was/still is my hero) ... being the oldest of three as a voracious reading sponge in '74, I made some random liberal comment from the boob tube that was being reiterated in the funny papers...

the response: he looked me straight in the eye as I interrupted his sweat-stained forehead pouring in motion (he did love enjoying his supper time forage like he was the hunter) and stated, "son, let me tell you something .... there's one word you need to understand why you always vote ® - 'incentive' ... the (d)s only want to enslave the masses to retain power w/o a platform."

the lesson: one of my fave truisms I've held firm since that moment...

#thanksPops

Call me cold hearted, but I don't think that's the case with me. The quote seems awfully similar to one of Putin's famous quotes about Soviet Union btw.

Agree with Shere Khan.

@Stink...good parents is key for a young age. Somehow my mother is more conservative than my pop, but they both leaned right including really most of first branch of my extended family besides a few loons here and there. The battles at some dinner tables were great and the emotional ones (almost always the loons) were always the ones to leave upset.

For whatever reason, since I was a little kid I've always respected those that could control their emotions and important decision making with the least amount of emotions involved (obviously can be dependent) so I easily gravitated to one side.

(04-28-2022 04:49 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 03:33 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Musk embodies what I think a large chunk of the 30-50 year old middle class demographic in this country is. socially moderate/liberal and fiscally conservative.

Those labels seem to mean different things to different people, so I’ll just ask: When was the last time America had a “fiscally conservative” President, in your view? When was the last time either of the two main parties espoused a “fiscally conservative” agenda?

I don't know how much of a fiscal conservative you can call Clinton, but I know you can't call anyone a fiscal conservative that doesn't run in the black so he'd be the closest.

Neither party give a **** about spending. They both ***** and moan about the other one in the majority but as soon as it's their turn they are cranking out the waste just as much.

(04-29-2022 08:34 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

the setup: when I was nine, we're all the dinner table (tight knit family and pops was/still is my hero) ... being the oldest of three as a voracious reading sponge in '74, I made some random liberal comment from the boob tube that was being reiterated in the funny papers...

the response: he looked me straight in the eye as I interrupted his sweat-stained forehead pouring in motion (he did love enjoying his supper time forage like he was the hunter) and stated, "son, let me tell you something .... there's one word you need to understand why you always vote ® - 'incentive' ... the (d)s only want to enslave the masses to retain power w/o a platform."

the lesson: one of my fave truisms I've held firm since that moment...

#thanksPops

Call me cold hearted, but I don't think that's the case with me. The quote seems awfully similar to one of Putin's famous quotes about Soviet Union btw.

Agree with Shere Khan.

@Stink...good parents is key for a young age. Somehow my mother is more conservative than my pop, but they both leaned right including really most of first branch of my extended family besides a few loons here and there. The battles at some dinner tables were great and the emotional ones (almost always the loons) were always the ones to leave upset.

For whatever reason, since I was a little kid I've always respected those that could control their emotions and important decision making with the least amount of emotions involved (obviously can be dependent) so I easily gravitated to one side.

off the top of my head, I can’t remember a time where incentivized promotional rule was any portion of the ussr/muh Russia were served in the porridge lines…

and Ja, i am fortunate to have grown up in a family oriented enviro … even as the ‘black sheep’ of the familia…

keeping emotions in check can be extremely difficult at times … coupled with moving to the deep south, listening first was how I somehow managed to keep them at bay for the most part…

@VesuviusIsAlwaysThere

(04-28-2022 04:20 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 03:33 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Musk embodies what I think a large chunk of the 30-50 year old middle class demographic in this country is. socially moderate/liberal and fiscally conservative.

I don't care what you do with your life. Don't break the law and don't tax the **** out of me so I can't enjoy my life but someone else can enjoy there's that hasn't worked for it.

I agree with your explanation but that is more libertarian than socially moderate/liberal IMO. I would consider socially moderate/liberal as those still wanting gov't to have the say on pronouns used at universities for example because they think there was is the only way.

I've always viewed modern libertarians as gov't has it's need but isn't efficient and facks most things up so stay out of my life and publics life as much as possible.

Most left leaners my age (25-32) I'm friends with have gone more and more towards gov't sucks get them out of our lives over the last few years and don't realize where they stand by definition.

I consider myself fiscal/foreign/economic policy conservative and socially libertarian. I don't care if your trans chick. You do you, but if your to start arguing me over rights (like using the women's bathroom) then I would say you likely have a mental illness and there are a lot of stats along with studies to back it up (if thou really wants to argue it) and are a dude so there are areas of life your going to have to follow how you were born IMO unless the loons get the madness they want.

A lot of Leftists would probably agree that it's a mental illness.

BUT, a lot of Leftists don't see a mental illness as a "negative that should be treated to make you closer to normal." They think it's a "difference that everyone else needs to accommodate."

One example: I'm a professor, and I had a student tell me that she couldn't do an oral presentation due to anxiety disorder. I responded that oral presentation skills are literally one of the handful of Course Objectives that the college wants me to teach in this course, and I offered to help her practice. But she had an official university accommodation that forbade me from requiring her to do an oral presentation. (She interpreted my response as hostile and ended up completing the course over the summer with another professor).


It's asinine in my opinion. It would be like a doctor who has a patient who lost their legs and decides to prescribe a comfortable bed (i.e. a treatment that increases their comfort but does nothing to correct the problem). Instead of prescribing a scooter or crutches or an artificial leg (i.e. a treatment that makes them more similar to normal people). But that's how a lot of people think mental illness should be treated.

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

Agreed. I guess I was heartless according to some.

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(04-29-2022 10:42 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 04:20 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 03:33 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  Musk embodies what I think a large chunk of the 30-50 year old middle class demographic in this country is. socially moderate/liberal and fiscally conservative.

I don't care what you do with your life. Don't break the law and don't tax the **** out of me so I can't enjoy my life but someone else can enjoy there's that hasn't worked for it.

I agree with your explanation but that is more libertarian than socially moderate/liberal IMO. I would consider socially moderate/liberal as those still wanting gov't to have the say on pronouns used at universities for example because they think there was is the only way.

I've always viewed modern libertarians as gov't has it's need but isn't efficient and facks most things up so stay out of my life and publics life as much as possible.

Most left leaners my age (25-32) I'm friends with have gone more and more towards gov't sucks get them out of our lives over the last few years and don't realize where they stand by definition.

I consider myself fiscal/foreign/economic policy conservative and socially libertarian. I don't care if your trans chick. You do you, but if your to start arguing me over rights (like using the women's bathroom) then I would say you likely have a mental illness and there are a lot of stats along with studies to back it up (if thou really wants to argue it) and are a dude so there are areas of life your going to have to follow how you were born IMO unless the loons get the madness they want.

A lot of Leftists would probably agree that it's a mental illness.

BUT, a lot of Leftists don't see a mental illness as a "negative that should be treated to make you closer to normal." They think it's a "difference that everyone else needs to accommodate."

One example: I'm a professor, and I had a student tell me that she couldn't do an oral presentation due to anxiety disorder. I responded that oral presentation skills are literally one of the handful of Course Objectives that the college wants me to teach in this course, and I offered to help her practice. But she had an official university accommodation that forbade me from requiring her to do an oral presentation. (She interpreted my response as hostile and ended up completing the course over the summer with another professor).


It's asinine in my opinion. It would be like a doctor who has a patient who lost their legs and decides to prescribe a comfortable bed (i.e. a treatment that increases their comfort but does nothing to correct the problem). Instead of prescribing a scooter or crutches or an artificial leg (i.e. a treatment that makes them more similar to normal people). But that's how a lot of people think mental illness should be treated.

That's incredible. Easy way out and will never improve. I can relate in my young years (grade school mostly) to that very well outside of never seeing a doc and no prescript for Xan, Valium or any medication (big issue in my generation IMO whether it's addy or xan).

I'd skip school or fake sick to just put it off. Anyone, I ever explained that to basically said almost everyone hates it and get's super nervous you'll get better with time and likely just by age.

I did them all when scheduled through high school and college. Still hated up to when I started my career. Now, I'd still prefer not to do it outside of the rewards it provides, but it's not an issue at all whether it's a group of 20 or 500 on a call granted it's topics I care about instead of acting like I'm George Washington or some BS haha.

Definitely get your point and agree.

(04-28-2022 02:21 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I once too would had been considered a liberal decades ago

Important to note in the graphic cartoon Musk Tweeted:

He doesn't move the whole time, AND the Right doesn't move either...only the Left moves waaaay farther Left, and the "Center" thus moves with them, making Musk's (and others) positions more congruent with the Right side of the aisle. Musk is not Conservative by any means (yet) but he can help the cause of freedom by allowing free speech to be a value most people (and companies) respect again. His positions on most issues remain unchanged and he holds several that are at the least problematic for those on the right. Also, no one really knows what his version of free speech will actually look like, and none will for some time. Gotta be better than the lunatic far left, but how sane he will be as an owner is a relevant question. If folks gang up on his environmental and unrealistic battery power expectations, will be interesting to see what he does and/or how much he will take.

(04-28-2022 02:21 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I once too would had been considered a liberal decades ago

Yep, exactly.

I don't quite understand the rhetoric about how conservatives have gone extreme right when they have virtually the same positions on any issue that they had 30, 40, or 50 years ago, while the left's positions on virtually every major issue would be basically unrecognizable to JFK or Truman.

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

That describes me to a tee. Even the tech sergeant where I worked in the Air Force called me dirty hippy, LOL. You know all the things that generation did and stood for. I believed in free love, anti-government, if it feels good do it, kind of thing. I changed a lot in my 30s when I started raising a family and I didn't want my two sons to follow in that mindset. I started getting more conservative and especially when I was born again and had read the Bible to see how wrong I was. Everything the Demoncraptic Party stands for is contrary to what God tells us is right. If you don't know what I'm talking about then you aren't really a Christian, plain and simple, and need to read the Bible.

(04-29-2022 05:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 02:21 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I once too would had been considered a liberal decades ago

Yep, exactly.

I don't quite understand the rhetoric about how conservatives have gone extreme right when they have virtually the same positions on any issue that they had 30, 40, or 50 years ago, while the left's positions on virtually every major issue would be basically unrecognizable to JFK or Truman.

JFK today would be a center right conservative. 'Nuf said.

(04-29-2022 05:39 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  JFK today would be a center right conservative. 'Nuf said.

Tax-cutting Cold Warrior. Yep.

(04-29-2022 05:10 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 05:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 02:21 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I once too would had been considered a liberal decades ago

Yep, exactly.

I don't quite understand the rhetoric about how conservatives have gone extreme right when they have virtually the same positions on any issue that they had 30, 40, or 50 years ago, while the left's positions on virtually every major issue would be basically unrecognizable to JFK or Truman.

it was obvious to nuts zongo ... as the right moved closer to center (aka #henceDJT), the left was 'left' with no choice but to succumb to lunacy ...

therefore, it became nothing more than another soci0-pathological experiment with the corpshite PACs/msm funded playing the role of geppetto...

#DJTexperiment proved former sig lines 1b) + 1c)...

@yeahhhhh

(04-29-2022 05:39 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 05:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-28-2022 02:21 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  I once too would had been considered a liberal decades ago

Yep, exactly.

I don't quite understand the rhetoric about how conservatives have gone extreme right when they have virtually the same positions on any issue that they had 30, 40, or 50 years ago, while the left's positions on virtually every major issue would be basically unrecognizable to JFK or Truman.

JFK today would be a center right conservative. 'Nuf said.

JFK = DJT (but prettier with better hair and pearly whites - the trophy wives are equal)

(04-29-2022 07:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

the setup: when I was nine, we're all the dinner table (tight knit family and pops was/still is my hero) ... being the oldest of three as a voracious reading sponge in '74, I made some random liberal comment from the boob tube that was being reiterated in the funny papers...

the response: he looked me straight in the eye as I interrupted his sweat-stained forehead pouring in motion (he did love enjoying his supper time forage like he was the hunter) and stated, "son, let me tell you something .... there's one word you need to understand why you always vote ® - 'incentive' ... the (d)s only want to enslave the masses to retain power w/o a platform."

the lesson: one of my fave truisms I've held firm since that moment...

#thanksPops

Props to our Pops and Grand-Pops!

My mother's father was 6'3'' and could lift my 190 lb sixteen year 6'1" old butt off the ground by the belt with one arm. He owned and ran multiple sawmills.

He told me my Sr year of high school this and it stuck:
"Winners ask for an opportunity because they know they will produce."
"Losers ask for a chance because they aren't sure they can do it."
"Deadbeats ask for a favor (handout)."
"Remember that when you are being interviewed, and when you are interviewing."

What's in a man's mind will eventually come out of his mouth. There is no mistaking the venomous anti-freedom spew coming out of the mouths of the radical left, along with their hatred of all which is good and called normal. Deviant describes them in every conceivable way.

(04-30-2022 07:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:27 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:13 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-29-2022 07:09 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  ‘If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You
Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative
When Old, You Have No Brain’

If you are prog filth at any age you are a worthless moron.

the setup: when I was nine, we're all the dinner table (tight knit family and pops was/still is my hero) ... being the oldest of three as a voracious reading sponge in '74, I made some random liberal comment from the boob tube that was being reiterated in the funny papers...

the response: he looked me straight in the eye as I interrupted his sweat-stained forehead pouring in motion (he did love enjoying his supper time forage like he was the hunter) and stated, "son, let me tell you something .... there's one word you need to understand why you always vote ® - 'incentive' ... the (d)s only want to enslave the masses to retain power w/o a platform."

the lesson: one of my fave truisms I've held firm since that moment...

#thanksPops

Props to our Pops and Grand-Pops!

My mother's father was 6'3'' and could lift my 190 lb sixteen year 6'1" old butt off the ground by the belt with one arm. He owned and ran multiple sawmills.

He told me my Sr year of high school this and it stuck:
"Winners ask for an opportunity because they know they will produce."
"Losers ask for a chance because they aren't sure they can do it."
"Deadbeats ask for a favor (handout)."
"Remember that when you are being interviewed, and when you are interviewing."

#eye2aye