(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

(03-22-2022 12:11 PM)pesik Wrote:  jeff goodman is now reporting that Grand McCasland is not a lock, that the offer has to be really good

if the unt coach doesnt work i think smu should really look into ben howland

^ This. Remember, SMU is not a power program in a conference that receives 5 or 6 bids every season. In short order UNT will be in the AAC too. As long as UNT "ponies up" enough money and basketball specific resources, Mac will most likely stick with the Mean Green until a bigger job shows up.

Dang. He was always so good for our self esteem.

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

What makes you say that, if he wasn't good enough for Xavier, why is he good for SMU?... He's really not that impressive.

(03-23-2022 10:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

What makes you say that, if he wasn't good enough for Xavier, why is he good for SMU?... He's really not that impressive.

"track record of subpar".. he didnt have that going into xavier

unknown and proven subpar are different things.. xavier wouldn't hire someone of his updated resume today

Send Kendrick Davis our way

(03-24-2022 01:51 AM)Fluke Wrote:  Send Kendrick Davis our way

LOL.... blasphemous, I know. But I’ve been thinking the same thing. I guess it would depend on who stays. Package with Bandoumel? Band is just a shaky enough outside shooter to appeal to Penny.

(03-24-2022 07:02 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 01:51 AM)Fluke Wrote:  Send Kendrick Davis our way

LOL.... blasphemous, I know. But I’ve been thinking the same thing. I guess it would depend on who stays. Package with Bandoumel? Band is just a shaky enough outside shooter to appeal to Penny.

We’ll take him if you guys take Malcolm Dandridge

(03-24-2022 07:26 AM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:02 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 01:51 AM)Fluke Wrote:  Send Kendrick Davis our way

LOL.... blasphemous, I know. But I’ve been thinking the same thing. I guess it would depend on who stays. Package with Bandoumel? Band is just a shaky enough outside shooter to appeal to Penny.

We’ll take him if you guys take Malcolm Dandridge

Throw in 500$ gift certificates at the 3 bbq joints of my choice and have your people call my people.

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

Well, SMU is a mid-major, especially after Houston and UC leave the conference. Most of the Valley outdraws SMU. That said, Steele didn't do a good job at Xavier. He needs to work his way back up as an assistant.

As for who I would target, I think Niko Medved at CSU would be a good choice. Not sure if he would take the job, but maybe with enough cash, he would consider it. I am a big fan of Linc Darner, the Ball State assistant. He did a great job at UWGB given the complete lack of resources or support he received. I believe he won a D2 National Title. UWGB let him go a couple of years ago in a cost savings measure and for some political reasons. The program has completely cratered since he left. He plays a run and gun, fun style of bball. Doug Devries at Drake would be a terrific hire. But, he is probably untouchable as long as his son is still playing at the school. Long time Creighton assistant who has done a fantastic job at Drake. He is used to recruiting to a private, high level academic school. I believe Drake is still the only school that has a higher GPA requirement than the NCAA to maintain eligibility.

SMU has cash and they have shown they are willing to pony up the money. So, they are going to find a someone who has had success in the past. But, historically, they have not experienced a lot of success. The guy they hire has to understand the dynamics of recruiting to a really tough academic school, with a small fan base. Its one thing if you are Larry Brown who was a great coach and a nationally known name. Not sure getting a guy from UNT is a good fit.

If the AAC is a mid-major conference, even after the UC, UH, and UCF defections it is still the best mid-major conference in the country. SMU also pays more than every mid-major out there. When successful, SMU has proven to have great attendance. I understand we won't get a sitting HC from a major program, but we will not resort to assistants from mid-majors as our HC. Tulsa was able to land La Tech's HC, SMU will pay better and give the HC more resources so that is the baseline.

(03-24-2022 10:56 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

Well, SMU is a mid-major, especially after Houston and UC leave the conference. Most of the Valley outdraws SMU. That said, Steele didn't do a good job at Xavier. He needs to work his way back up as an assistant.

As for who I would target, I think Niko Medved at CSU would be a good choice. Not sure if he would take the job, but maybe with enough cash, he would consider it. I am a big fan of Linc Darner, the Ball State assistant. He did a great job at UWGB given the complete lack of resources or support he received. I believe he won a D2 National Title. UWGB let him go a couple of years ago in a cost savings measure and for some political reasons. The program has completely cratered since he left. He plays a run and gun, fun style of bball. Doug Devries at Drake would be a terrific hire. But, he is probably untouchable as long as his son is still playing at the school. Long time Creighton assistant who has done a fantastic job at Drake. He is used to recruiting to a private, high level academic school. I believe Drake is still the only school that has a higher GPA requirement than the NCAA to maintain eligibility.

SMU has cash and they have shown they are willing to pony up the money. So, they are going to find a someone who has had success in the past. But, historically, they have not experienced a lot of success. The guy they hire has to understand the dynamics of recruiting to a really tough academic school, with a small fan base. Its one thing if you are Larry Brown who was a great coach and a nationally known name. Not sure getting a guy from UNT is a good fit.

your take on smu is just wrong

major counter points
1) it is undecided if the aac will be a mid major.. the same was said about the current aac when it started in 2013.. the houston and smu's programs revived ...uab, charlotte ,rice could all do the same

2) SMU fanbase is fair weather.. but smu has a HUGE fanbase, larger than everyone in the valley when it is winning.. smu tickets were more in demand than the mavericks when they were good

so your small fanbase take is wrong!!. the issue is winning.. most coachs entering a job will think they can win

3) smu doesn't have academic restrictions on its athletes beyond the minimum for everyone..
a scandal that happened during the brown years was a 5star commit for SMU high school grades where so bad that a smu assistant had to literally be on him every day, and the assistant would regularly pester/beg teachers to give him extra credit work to get the minimum grades to qualify for the ncaa

4) and that brings me to my next point, that smu was bringing in 4 and 5star players after like 1 year of top tier success.. Dallas is a recruiting Hot bed, recruiting is a plus NOT a negative..its just about getting player to believe they can win/get drafted ..there is currently no good "Dallas" team for top recruits to go to if they want to stay home
and again every coach going in will think they can win

larry brown would have never touched smu if your description was anywhere remotely accurate
jank literally left Illinois state (a valley teams) head coaching job to be an assistant for larry, before they winning started.. you dont do that for a academical hard recruiting school that you believe has no fanbase

Without UC and Houston, as a whole, the AAC is significantly worse the MWC and on par with the A-10, the Valley and the WAC. But for Memphis, the conference is pretty weak. Its a big like the days of the UNLV in the Big West. Memphis is clearly the class of the league. You hope maybe Temple, Tulsa, UAB, WSU or Charlotte somehow return to past glory to make the league a bit more competitive. But as it stands now, the league does not project to be very good.

SMU has a large fanbase? Who are you kidding? When they win, they have locals jumping on the bandwagon. When they lose, the place is empty. That said, this is true for a lot of universities. A good fanbase is one that shows up, win or lose, to support their school. I bet the Syracuse bball team outdraws the SMU football team on average relatively often. Unless SMU is good, most of Dallas does not care about them.

Brown came because of money and really didn't have many options. He was canned by Charlotte, a year and a half earlier and a lot of schools were concerned about his reputation. Yes, Brown could recruit, but he had a history of playing fast and loose with the rules. It did not take long for him to get into trouble.

You are not going achieve long term success at a school if your recruits who do not fit the academic profile of the school. Yes, Dallas is a talent rich area. But, SMU cannot recruit the same kids as UNT or Houston. Those kids are going to struggle with the rigorous academics at SMU. You are going to lose most recruiting battles against UT, A&M, Baylor, and TT, simply because those schools are viewed as high majors, while SMU is not. Further, SMU is not going to most of the kids schools like Duke, Stanford or Notre Dame want. Those schools are viewed as top tier academic, as well as, top tier athletic schools. So, even in Dallas, the pool of available talent is very limited. You want kids who are going to be successful at your university. You can't have coaches begging profs for extra credit so a kid remains eligible. Its bad for the program.

Finally, Jank left ISU before he was fired at ISU. He was 6 games above .500 in the Valley in his five years there. Pressure was on for him to make the NCAAs. So, the jump to SMU was not exactly a huge leap. Plus, he had the added bonus of being the coach in waiting. He made a great career move.

(03-23-2022 10:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-23-2022 10:46 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

What makes you say that, if he wasn't good enough for Xavier, why is he good for SMU?... He's really not that impressive.

"track record of subpar".. he didnt have that going into xavier

unknown and proven subpar are different things.. xavier wouldn't hire someone of his updated resume today

I guess we agree more than we disagree, I think SMU should stay away from him for the same reasons Xavier let him go, and the underlined part of your respond.

One side note to pesik, you said " the issue is winning.. most coachs entering a job will think they can win"

This isn't true. My wife's cousin is the head coach at one of the Sweet 16 schools. As he told me, there are schools that coaches know you cannot win or that the job is a potential career killer. Coaches take those jobs because it may be their only opportunity to get a head coaching job. Or, some want to be a head coach so bad, they look past the fact that success is unlikely. These coaches don't think they will win, they hope they will win. Big difference.

On the flip side, there are certain jobs at mid-majors that coaches know there is a high probably of success and those are the jobs which are highly sought after. Some mids simply have better facilities and a better commitment than their counterparts. So, before the high majors hire guys from these schools, the good ADs have to do extra due diligence. Because, good ADs know that a guys success at a certain school may be more of product of the school and not the coach.

The AAC is so much better than what everyone is suggesting, please sop believing the BS from ESPiN and the national media that won't look at anything without "P5" attached to it!!!

They were all wrong about the AAC in 2013, and they are still wrong today.

I've mentioned before that ESPiN is responsible for the poor perception of the AAC, if you don't believe me watch a MW football/basketball game and see how they are treated by their Media Partners and compare that to ESPiN flipping to promote the P5 partners the second that the play clock hits zero, followed by a few seconds of wrap up before signing off on the AAC.

(03-24-2022 12:34 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Without UC and Houston, as a whole, the AAC is significantly worse the MWC and on par with the A-10, the Valley and the WAC. But for Memphis, the conference is pretty weak. Its a big like the days of the UNLV in the Big West. Memphis is clearly the class of the league. You hope maybe Temple, Tulsa, UAB, WSU or Charlotte somehow return to past glory to make the league a bit more competitive. But as it stands now, the league does not project to be very good.

SMU has a large fanbase? Who are you kidding? When they win, they have locals jumping on the bandwagon. When they lose, the place is empty. That said, this is true for a lot of universities. A good fanbase is one that shows up, win or lose, to support their school. I bet the Syracuse bball team outdraws the SMU football team on average relatively often. Unless SMU is good, most of Dallas does not care about them.

Brown came because of money and really didn't have many options. He was canned by Charlotte, a year and a half earlier and a lot of schools were concerned about his reputation. Yes, Brown could recruit, but he had a history of playing fast and loose with the rules. It did not take long for him to get into trouble.

You are not going achieve long term success at a school if your recruits who do not fit the academic profile of the school. Yes, Dallas is a talent rich area. But, SMU cannot recruit the same kids as UNT or Houston. Those kids are going to struggle with the rigorous academics at SMU. You are going to lose most recruiting battles against UT, A&M, Baylor, and TT, simply because those schools are viewed as high majors, while SMU is not. Further, SMU is not going to most of the kids schools like Duke, Stanford or Notre Dame want. Those schools are viewed as top tier academic, as well as, top tier athletic schools. So, even in Dallas, the pool of available talent is very limited. You want kids who are going to be successful at your university. You can't have coaches begging profs for extra credit so a kid remains eligible. Its bad for the program.

Finally, Jank left ISU before he was fired at ISU. He was 6 games above .500 in the Valley in his five years there. Pressure was on for him to make the NCAAs. So, the jump to SMU was not exactly a huge leap. Plus, he had the added bonus of being the coach in waiting. He made a great career move.

your take is bad...

1) your "significantly worse" was said about the aac in 2013 by everyone... note houston and smu hadnt gotten an atlarge in 20years when they were invited ..
yet the aac has never worse than any of those leagues..
and 2 of the 3 teams that carried the aac rep were Houston and SMU

Until they dethrone the aac on the court the aac is better .. you cant have "hypothetical" better ..same thing with football.. the aac is better, the aac will still have more money and better tv for visibility and growth..you have to prove it on the court

2) "A good fanbase is one that shows up, win or lose".. is an ignorant statement and lack of understanding of large metro teams.. no large metro team with pro draws when losing..none.. win or lose fan base are when that is all your community has

miami is empty when losing and hottest ticket nationally when winning.. smu in the brown years had a game where tickets were going for 1k each


3) larry brown had options.. you dont pay someone 2mil when they have options . your point of being fired from an nba team is so silly... brad stevens can pick up any college job he wants despite being fired from the nba
larry brown when he was hired had option, during his success at smu he had more options but chose to stay
3b) jankovich wasnt at risk of being fired at illionis state.. he took them to 4 nits in 5years.. their new coach took them to 2 in the 8 years since ...you are making up things

4) your academic point is silly, academic rigor nonsense, the entire big east but uconn are academic private schools, who are just taking the best players they can...
TCU nor smu in football or basketball has had academic restraints...tcu had a decade long run of domination in football without those restraints

Houston out recruits every Texas team in basketball but UT austin (maybe baylor) ...playing in the aac...sampson flat says kids dont care about conference, but can you win and can you get me to the league.. if you win they will not care about high major

I'M TIRED, YOU HAVE ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF SMU, AAC, OR TEXAS DYNAMICS.. you are spouting non sense..its okay to say im not that familiar with smu, instead of pretending you know something you dont..

(03-24-2022 12:54 PM)MU88 Wrote:  One side note to pesik, you said " the issue is winning.. most coachs entering a job will think they can win"

This isn't true. My wife's cousin is the head coach at one of the Sweet 16 schools. As he told me, there are schools that coaches know you cannot win or that the job is a potential career killer. Coaches take those jobs because it may be their only opportunity to get a head coaching job. Or, some want to be a head coach so bad, they look past the fact that success is unlikely. These coaches don't think they will win, they hope they will win. Big difference.

On the flip side, there are certain jobs at mid-majors that coaches know there is a high probably of success and those are the jobs which are highly sought after. Some mids simply have better facilities and a better commitment than their counterparts. So, before the high majors hire guys from these schools, the good ADs have to do extra due diligence. Because, good ADs know that a guys success at a certain school may be more of product of the school and not the coach.

I disagree, every coach entering job thinks they can win there..

im not saying they are oblivious ... they recognize some jobs are easier to win than others ..
side note im a former coach and hang out with tons of coaches

also anyone in a postion to get a coaching job in upper D1 has options, if 1 team is willing to hire you there, you likely have options in lower d1 or a better assistant job..no one would take a job they felt they couldn't win at at this level. or they are just dumb...you can win at a lower level then have more options at a hire level

(03-24-2022 01:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  2) "A good fanbase is one that shows up, win or lose".. is an ignorant statement and lack of understanding of large metro teams.. no large metro team with pro draws when losing..none.. win or lose fan base are when that is all your community has

miami is empty when losing and hottest ticket nationally when winning.. smu in the brown years had a game where tickets were going for 1k each

We aren't going to agree on most of the points, but you are simply wrong on this one. Marquette has drawn over 10,000 fans per game every year by one since the late 60s. They have had good seasons and bad seasons, but the fans keep show up. Milwaukee also happens to be home to the Bucks and UWM. UWM has double the student body as MU. When they win, they draw fans. When they lose, they draw flies. So, it is possible to have a strong fanbase in a major city, even when you compete with a NBA team.

You cite Miami, but Miami is not a great sports town. Of course, fans don't come unless they school is winning and winning big. Many of their teams, both pro and college, often struggle with attendance. Have you seen the crowds at a Marlins game. Let's look at your conference mate, Memphis. Memphis always has drawn well and they have the Grizzlies in town. UCLA does pretty good. Arizona State wasn't very good and they drew around 8,000 per came this year, while competing with the Suns and GCU (which sold out its 7200 seat arena before the season started) in Phoenix. NC State has averaged something like 16,000 plus per game since 2000 sharing the city with an NHL franchise. So, to say schools in major cities all have bandwagon fan face is simply incorrect.

(03-24-2022 11:25 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 10:56 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-22-2022 06:01 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Travis Steele, former Xavier coach, would actually be a good fit at SMU. He’s a tremendous recruiter and has had success and experience at a private university and in the basketball-centric new Big East. He’s also young and his best years are likely ahead of him.

no, steele's next job should be at a mad major not smu..his resume it too thin for a guy with a track record of subpar

Well, SMU is a mid-major, especially after Houston and UC leave the conference. Most of the Valley outdraws SMU. That said, Steele didn't do a good job at Xavier. He needs to work his way back up as an assistant.

As for who I would target, I think Niko Medved at CSU would be a good choice. Not sure if he would take the job, but maybe with enough cash, he would consider it. I am a big fan of Linc Darner, the Ball State assistant. He did a great job at UWGB given the complete lack of resources or support he received. I believe he won a D2 National Title. UWGB let him go a couple of years ago in a cost savings measure and for some political reasons. The program has completely cratered since he left. He plays a run and gun, fun style of bball. Doug Devries at Drake would be a terrific hire. But, he is probably untouchable as long as his son is still playing at the school. Long time Creighton assistant who has done a fantastic job at Drake. He is used to recruiting to a private, high level academic school. I believe Drake is still the only school that has a higher GPA requirement than the NCAA to maintain eligibility.

SMU has cash and they have shown they are willing to pony up the money. So, they are going to find a someone who has had success in the past. But, historically, they have not experienced a lot of success. The guy they hire has to understand the dynamics of recruiting to a really tough academic school, with a small fan base. Its one thing if you are Larry Brown who was a great coach and a nationally known name. Not sure getting a guy from UNT is a good fit.

your take on smu is just wrong

major counter points
1) it is undecided if the aac will be a mid major.. the same was said about the current aac when it started in 2013.. the houston and smu's programs revived ...uab, charlotte ,rice could all do the same

2) SMU fanbase is fair weather.. but smu has a HUGE fanbase, larger than everyone in the valley when it is winning.. smu tickets were more in demand than the mavericks when they were good

so your small fanbase take is wrong!!. the issue is winning.. most coachs entering a job will think they can win

3) smu doesn't have academic restrictions on its athletes beyond the minimum for everyone..
a scandal that happened during the brown years was a 5star commit for SMU high school grades where so bad that a smu assistant had to literally be on him every day, and the assistant would regularly pester/beg teachers to give him extra credit work to get the minimum grades to qualify for the ncaa

4) and that brings me to my next point, that smu was bringing in 4 and 5star players after like 1 year of top tier success.. Dallas is a recruiting Hot bed, recruiting is a plus NOT a negative..its just about getting player to believe they can win/get drafted ..there is currently no good "Dallas" team for top recruits to go to if they want to stay home
and again every coach going in will think they can win

larry brown would have never touched smu if your description was anywhere remotely accurate
jank literally left Illinois state (a valley teams) head coaching job to be an assistant for larry, before they winning started.. you dont do that for a academical hard recruiting school that you believe has no fanbase

To add to this a conversation Jank had with boosters in a Dallas pub just after he was hired as “coach in waiting.....” He is reported to have said he came only for the 750 k he was originally offered. The guy has been over his head since day one as a HC and literally stepped in it all the way along.

The fans will return when we have a genuine coach and a successful team that plays a tough schedule.