(03-24-2022 04:25 PM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 01:05 PM)pesik Wrote:  2) "A good fanbase is one that shows up, win or lose".. is an ignorant statement and lack of understanding of large metro teams.. no large metro team with pro draws when losing..none.. win or lose fan base are when that is all your community has

miami is empty when losing and hottest ticket nationally when winning.. smu in the brown years had a game where tickets were going for 1k each

We aren't going to agree on most of the points, but you are simply wrong on this one. Marquette has drawn over 10,000 fans per game every year by one since the late 60s. They have had good seasons and bad seasons, but the fans keep show up. Milwaukee also happens to be home to the Bucks and UWM. UWM has double the student body as MU. When they win, they draw fans. When they lose, they draw flies. So, it is possible to have a strong fanbase in a major city, even when you compete with a NBA team.

You cite Miami, but Miami is not a great sports town. Of course, fans don't come unless they school is winning and winning big. Many of their teams, both pro and college, often struggle with attendance. Have you seen the crowds at a Marlins game. Let's look at your conference mate, Memphis. Memphis always has drawn well and they have the Grizzlies in town. UCLA does pretty good. Arizona State wasn't very good and they drew around 8,000 per came this year, while competing with the Suns and GCU (which sold out its 7200 seat arena before the season started) in Phoenix. NC State has averaged something like 16,000 plus per game since 2000 sharing the city with an NHL franchise. So, to say schools in major cities all have bandwagon fan face is simply incorrect.

milwakuee is has terrible historically bad pro teams ... you are similar to memphis with the girzz..
prior to 2019 it had been close to 30 years since te bucks got past the 1st round

the point was "options" id smu isnt winning they had have the mavericks, the cowboys , the rangers, tcu who are all historically competitive media teams .

my point, remove arena capacity, a winning smu will outdraw every valley team.
a winning smu will outrecruit half of the high majors (Theres no academic stipulation beyond what the ncaa puts out)
every coach going into smu will think they are bringing the winning..they will not expect a small fanbase, or struggles recruiting as a long term issue.. similar to sampson takin the houston job.. in sampson words "i know what this place cane be"... he turned down 3 p5 jobs for a terrible houston at the time

(03-24-2022 10:22 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:26 AM)Fluke Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:02 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 01:51 AM)Fluke Wrote:  Send Kendrick Davis our way

LOL.... blasphemous, I know. But I’ve been thinking the same thing. I guess it would depend on who stays. Package with Bandoumel? Band is just a shaky enough outside shooter to appeal to Penny.

We’ll take him if you guys take Malcolm Dandridge

Throw in 500$ gift certificates at the 3 bbq joints of my choice and have your people call my people.

Ok.... you missed the deadline. Now it’s KD and Band for Dandridgecand Minott. I’ll buy my own BBQ.

Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

(03-24-2022 07:52 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

We are hiring UNT’s AD and basketball coach

(03-24-2022 09:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:52 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

We are hiring UNT’s AD and basketball coach

Let’s get their President and make it a trifecta.

(03-24-2022 04:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  milwakuee is has terrible historically bad pro teams ... you are similar to memphis with the girzz..
prior to 2019 it had been close to 30 years since te bucks got past the 1st round

the point was "options" id smu isnt winning they had have the mavericks, the cowboys , the rangers, tcu who are all historically competitive media teams .

my point, remove arena capacity, a winning smu will outdraw every valley team.
a winning smu will outrecruit half of the high majors (Theres no academic stipulation beyond what the ncaa puts out)
every coach going into smu will think they are bringing the winning..they will not expect a small fanbase, or struggles recruiting as a long term issue.. similar to sampson takin the houston job.. in sampson words "i know what this place cane be"... he turned down 3 p5 jobs for a terrible houston at the time

I concede there are more options in Dallas, but the Dallas metro area is 5x larger than the Milwaukee metro area. Still, a relatively small private school in Milwaukee has put over 10,000 fannies in the seats every year but 1 for the past 60 years. In fact, they have drawn over 15,000 per game numerous years.

As for the rest of your ill informed remarks, the Bucks did go to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001. Plus, the Bucks have drawn well, even when they sucked. The Brewers draw fantastic. In fact, the Brewers outdrew the Rangers by 800,000 fans in 2019. By the way, the Rangers and the Brewers have the identical number of playoff appearances in team history. Oh, and while Milwaukee doesn't have a football team, they are in the home market for the Packers and there is a Milwaukee season ticket package with a decades long waiting list. So, to suggest that because the pro teams suck is a reason a college team, when having a poor season, will still draw well is somewhat perplexing.

Note that in 2015-16, SMU average 6907 fans per game and in 2016-17, SMU average 6899 fans per game. I picked these two season because, as far as bball wise, these were the two best seasons at SMU since the late 80s and probably since the 60s. Both numbers are below the list capacity of 7000 seats. Lets compare that with Grand Canyon U in Phoenix, whose arena also has a 7000 seat capacity. Did you know they sold out the entire season before the first game? So, SMU can't sell out their arena during their best seasons in the past 40 years, yet GCU can do it. Again, SMU is a mid major with fair weather fans and a rich alumni base. It can afford a good coach and it will get one. But, the fan base is small and for the most part, the school is an afterthought in Dallas, at least athletically.

Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU (who was 19-11 that year, btw). So, you will respond by saying there is nothing to do in those towns. Well, in that year, even lowly DePaul (3-15 in the BE that year), which has sucked forever, outdrew SMU. You really can't say that the lack of things to do in Chicago was the reason for their attendance.

McCasland staying at UNT

(03-25-2022 11:43 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 04:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  milwakuee is has terrible historically bad pro teams ... you are similar to memphis with the girzz..
prior to 2019 it had been close to 30 years since te bucks got past the 1st round

the point was "options" id smu isnt winning they had have the mavericks, the cowboys , the rangers, tcu who are all historically competitive media teams .

my point, remove arena capacity, a winning smu will outdraw every valley team.
a winning smu will outrecruit half of the high majors (Theres no academic stipulation beyond what the ncaa puts out)
every coach going into smu will think they are bringing the winning..they will not expect a small fanbase, or struggles recruiting as a long term issue.. similar to sampson takin the houston job.. in sampson words "i know what this place cane be"... he turned down 3 p5 jobs for a terrible houston at the time

I concede there are more options in Dallas, but the Dallas metro area is 5x larger than the Milwaukee metro area. Still, a relatively small private school in Milwaukee has put over 10,000 fannies in the seats every year but 1 for the past 60 years. In fact, they have drawn over 15,000 per game numerous years.

As for the rest of your ill informed remarks, the Bucks did go to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001. Plus, the Bucks have drawn well, even when they sucked. The Brewers draw fantastic. In fact, the Brewers outdrew the Rangers by 800,000 fans in 2019. By the way, the Rangers and the Brewers have the identical number of playoff appearances in team history. Oh, and while Milwaukee doesn't have a football team, they are in the home market for the Packers and there is a Milwaukee season ticket package with a decades long waiting list. So, to suggest that because the pro teams suck is a reason a college team, when having a poor season, will still draw well is somewhat perplexing.

Note that in 2015-16, SMU average 6907 fans per game and in 2016-17, SMU average 6899 fans per game. I picked these two season because, as far as bball wise, these were the two best seasons at SMU since the late 80s and probably since the 60s. Both numbers are below the list capacity of 7000 seats. Lets compare that with Grand Canyon U in Phoenix, whose arena also has a 7000 seat capacity. Did you know they sold out the entire season before the first game? So, SMU can't sell out their arena during their best seasons in the past 40 years, yet GCU can do it. Again, SMU is a mid major with fair weather fans and a rich alumni base. It can afford a good coach and it will get one. But, the fan base is small and for the most part, the school is an afterthought in Dallas, at least athletically.

Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU (who was 19-11 that year, btw). So, you will respond by saying there is nothing to do in those towns. Well, in that year, even lowly DePaul (3-15 in the BE that year), which has sucked forever, outdrew SMU. You really can't say that the lack of things to do in Chicago was the reason for their attendance.

1) drawing fans when there isnt many sports or good pro teams around is that tough when you are good.. even for a small private team.. your average wins isnce the 60s is likely 20+..

prior to 2018 the bucks weren't good (you can have the 2001 season).. my point was about fair weather fans, "there are other options when you lose"-- stating Marquette makes no sense when Marquette was the winning option.. similar to memphis

2) you have zero context or clue how attendance works-- houston also has a 7k arena, our attendance is also 6950 (or something like that) we sell out almost every game, there are a couple hundred door tickets left for every game, not all of them are used especially for weekday games vs buy games ... smu had tickets selling for 1 THOUSNAD DOLLARS (for 1 game!!!!)

here a re ticket prices from one of their games in the larry brown era (these are price from 2014)
lower bowl seats (good seats/close to th court)


cheapest nose bleed seats


not sure you understand the common sense of supply and demand- their ticket prices were insanely high because of the demand

had they had a larger arena, the prices would be lower and they still sell out... context in 2014 you can get into marquette games for $13 bucks (obviously the bad seats).the the most expense single game ticket then was around $80

3) "Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU"

the whole debate is about band wagon fans.. its been obvious for like 4 years the smu fans abandon Jank.. that why we was forced out despite making the NIT..even smu site was just debates about firing jank...

let me make this very clear...remove arena capacity. a winning SMU will drastically outdraw any valley.. team if you think otherwise you lack common sense

ive already accepted you know very little about smu, especially when you dropped that line about academic requirements

(03-25-2022 03:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-25-2022 11:43 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 04:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  milwakuee is has terrible historically bad pro teams ... you are similar to memphis with the girzz..
prior to 2019 it had been close to 30 years since te bucks got past the 1st round

the point was "options" id smu isnt winning they had have the mavericks, the cowboys , the rangers, tcu who are all historically competitive media teams .

my point, remove arena capacity, a winning smu will outdraw every valley team.
a winning smu will outrecruit half of the high majors (Theres no academic stipulation beyond what the ncaa puts out)
every coach going into smu will think they are bringing the winning..they will not expect a small fanbase, or struggles recruiting as a long term issue.. similar to sampson takin the houston job.. in sampson words "i know what this place cane be"... he turned down 3 p5 jobs for a terrible houston at the time

I concede there are more options in Dallas, but the Dallas metro area is 5x larger than the Milwaukee metro area. Still, a relatively small private school in Milwaukee has put over 10,000 fannies in the seats every year but 1 for the past 60 years. In fact, they have drawn over 15,000 per game numerous years.

As for the rest of your ill informed remarks, the Bucks did go to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001. Plus, the Bucks have drawn well, even when they sucked. The Brewers draw fantastic. In fact, the Brewers outdrew the Rangers by 800,000 fans in 2019. By the way, the Rangers and the Brewers have the identical number of playoff appearances in team history. Oh, and while Milwaukee doesn't have a football team, they are in the home market for the Packers and there is a Milwaukee season ticket package with a decades long waiting list. So, to suggest that because the pro teams suck is a reason a college team, when having a poor season, will still draw well is somewhat perplexing.

Note that in 2015-16, SMU average 6907 fans per game and in 2016-17, SMU average 6899 fans per game. I picked these two season because, as far as bball wise, these were the two best seasons at SMU since the late 80s and probably since the 60s. Both numbers are below the list capacity of 7000 seats. Lets compare that with Grand Canyon U in Phoenix, whose arena also has a 7000 seat capacity. Did you know they sold out the entire season before the first game? So, SMU can't sell out their arena during their best seasons in the past 40 years, yet GCU can do it. Again, SMU is a mid major with fair weather fans and a rich alumni base. It can afford a good coach and it will get one. But, the fan base is small and for the most part, the school is an afterthought in Dallas, at least athletically.

Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU (who was 19-11 that year, btw). So, you will respond by saying there is nothing to do in those towns. Well, in that year, even lowly DePaul (3-15 in the BE that year), which has sucked forever, outdrew SMU. You really can't say that the lack of things to do in Chicago was the reason for their attendance.

1) drawing fans when there isnt many sports or good pro teams around is that tough when you are good.. even for a small private team.. your average wins isnce the 60s is likely 20+..

prior to 2018 the bucks weren't good (you can have the 2001 season).. my point was about fair weather fans, "there are other options when you lose"-- stating Marquette makes no sense when Marquette was the winning option.. similar to memphis

2) you have zero context or clue how attendance works-- houston also has a 7k arena, our attendance is also 6950 (or something like that) we sell out almost every game, there are a couple hundred door tickets left for every game, not all of them are used especially for weekday games vs buy games ... smu had tickets selling for 1 THOUSNAD DOLLARS (for 1 game!!!!)

here a re ticket prices from one of their games in the larry brown era (these are price from 2014)
lower bowl seats (good seats/close to th court)


cheapest nose bleed seats


not sure you understand the common sense of supply and demand- their ticket prices were insanely high because of the demand

had they had a larger arena, the prices would be lower and they still sell out... context in 2014 you can get into marquette games for $13 bucks (obviously the bad seats).the the most expense single game ticket then was around $80

3) "Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU"

the whole debate is about band wagon fans.. its been obvious for like 4 years the smu fans abandon Jank.. that why we was forced out despite making the NIT..even smu site was just debates about firing jank...

let me make this very clear...remove arena capacity. a winning SMU will drastically outdraw any valley.. team if you think otherwise you lack common sense

ive already accepted you know very little about smu, especially when you dropped that line about academic requirements

So, you pick a hot game when ticket prices where were high to prove your point. And that happens how often? 1 game in 20 years. MU plays in a 16,000 seat arena. So, under your logic, the prices should be way cheaper. However, courtside season seats for Marquette are $12,500 each or about $700 per game, for every game. Comparable season ticket at SMU is $5500 or less than half. On the other end of the scale, SMU sells 4 season tickets for $300 and students are free. MU's cheapest ticket for the public is $135 and students tickets cost $140. Again, given the larger supply, shouldn't MU's tickets be cheaper? Shouldn't MU have attendance problems with these kind of prices? But, every ticket in the lower bowl is sold out every year. Why? Because the school has cultivated a pretty large and loyal fan base which has continued to come to games, win or lose, for the past 60 years. The fact is, there is only minimal demand for SMU tickets even in the good years. SMU has to sell them on the cheap in order to get fans into the building. And, I can tell you, MU is not that hot of a ticket. Its not Louisville, Kentucky, Duke or even Memphis. Its just a small private school that has a relatively strong fanbase.

I will take it one step further, I don't think it is unusual for a school to have a small fanbase with a lot of bandwagon jumpers. SMU is like most schools in the country. I remember announced crowds of 650 at Houston basketball games, another school that depends on a bandwagon fanbase. I have been in empty Miami arena watching them lose to VT. Schools like NC State, Creighton, BYU, Dayton, Louisville, Syracuse, Kentucky, UNC, etc are the exceptions, not the rule. There is no logical reason 50,000 fans keep turning up each fall weekend to watch Indiana football. They have sucked for 50+ years. Still, the fans show up week after week. SMU not only has to win to draw fans (again, they were 19-11 a couple years ago and were outdrawn by 1/2 the Valley), they have to win very big such that the non-fans in Dallas become interested.

Finally, I do not want to anyone to think I am demeaning SMU as an academic institution. It is fantastic. Any school where the admitted applicants average a 3.64gpa, unweighted, and 31 on the ACT, is a pretty rigorous academic institution. To suggest that any flunky can get in and succeed, is simply untrue. You need to be a good student to succeed at SMU.

(03-25-2022 04:29 PM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-25-2022 03:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-25-2022 11:43 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 04:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  milwakuee is has terrible historically bad pro teams ... you are similar to memphis with the girzz..
prior to 2019 it had been close to 30 years since te bucks got past the 1st round

the point was "options" id smu isnt winning they had have the mavericks, the cowboys , the rangers, tcu who are all historically competitive media teams .

my point, remove arena capacity, a winning smu will outdraw every valley team.
a winning smu will outrecruit half of the high majors (Theres no academic stipulation beyond what the ncaa puts out)
every coach going into smu will think they are bringing the winning..they will not expect a small fanbase, or struggles recruiting as a long term issue.. similar to sampson takin the houston job.. in sampson words "i know what this place cane be"... he turned down 3 p5 jobs for a terrible houston at the time

I concede there are more options in Dallas, but the Dallas metro area is 5x larger than the Milwaukee metro area. Still, a relatively small private school in Milwaukee has put over 10,000 fannies in the seats every year but 1 for the past 60 years. In fact, they have drawn over 15,000 per game numerous years.

As for the rest of your ill informed remarks, the Bucks did go to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001. Plus, the Bucks have drawn well, even when they sucked. The Brewers draw fantastic. In fact, the Brewers outdrew the Rangers by 800,000 fans in 2019. By the way, the Rangers and the Brewers have the identical number of playoff appearances in team history. Oh, and while Milwaukee doesn't have a football team, they are in the home market for the Packers and there is a Milwaukee season ticket package with a decades long waiting list. So, to suggest that because the pro teams suck is a reason a college team, when having a poor season, will still draw well is somewhat perplexing.

Note that in 2015-16, SMU average 6907 fans per game and in 2016-17, SMU average 6899 fans per game. I picked these two season because, as far as bball wise, these were the two best seasons at SMU since the late 80s and probably since the 60s. Both numbers are below the list capacity of 7000 seats. Lets compare that with Grand Canyon U in Phoenix, whose arena also has a 7000 seat capacity. Did you know they sold out the entire season before the first game? So, SMU can't sell out their arena during their best seasons in the past 40 years, yet GCU can do it. Again, SMU is a mid major with fair weather fans and a rich alumni base. It can afford a good coach and it will get one. But, the fan base is small and for the most part, the school is an afterthought in Dallas, at least athletically.

Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU (who was 19-11 that year, btw). So, you will respond by saying there is nothing to do in those towns. Well, in that year, even lowly DePaul (3-15 in the BE that year), which has sucked forever, outdrew SMU. You really can't say that the lack of things to do in Chicago was the reason for their attendance.

1) drawing fans when there isnt many sports or good pro teams around is that tough when you are good.. even for a small private team.. your average wins isnce the 60s is likely 20+..

prior to 2018 the bucks weren't good (you can have the 2001 season).. my point was about fair weather fans, "there are other options when you lose"-- stating Marquette makes no sense when Marquette was the winning option.. similar to memphis

2) you have zero context or clue how attendance works-- houston also has a 7k arena, our attendance is also 6950 (or something like that) we sell out almost every game, there are a couple hundred door tickets left for every game, not all of them are used especially for weekday games vs buy games ... smu had tickets selling for 1 THOUSNAD DOLLARS (for 1 game!!!!)

here a re ticket prices from one of their games in the larry brown era (these are price from 2014)
lower bowl seats (good seats/close to th court)


cheapest nose bleed seats


not sure you understand the common sense of supply and demand- their ticket prices were insanely high because of the demand

had they had a larger arena, the prices would be lower and they still sell out... context in 2014 you can get into marquette games for $13 bucks (obviously the bad seats).the the most expense single game ticket then was around $80

3) "Finally, in the 19-20, the last season pre-covid, Bradley, Evansville, Southern Illinois and Illinois State of the Valley outdrew SMU"

the whole debate is about band wagon fans.. its been obvious for like 4 years the smu fans abandon Jank.. that why we was forced out despite making the NIT..even smu site was just debates about firing jank...

let me make this very clear...remove arena capacity. a winning SMU will drastically outdraw any valley.. team if you think otherwise you lack common sense

ive already accepted you know very little about smu, especially when you dropped that line about academic requirements

So, you pick a hot game when ticket prices where were high to prove your point. And that happens how often? 1 game in 20 years. MU plays in a 16,000 seat arena. So, under your logic, the prices should be way cheaper. However, courtside season seats for Marquette are $12,500 each or about $700 per game, for every game. Comparable season ticket at SMU is $5500 or less than half. On the other end of the scale, SMU sells 4 season tickets for $300 and students are free. MU's cheapest ticket for the public is $135 and students tickets cost $140. Again, given the larger supply, shouldn't MU's tickets be cheaper? Shouldn't MU have attendance problems with these kind of prices? But, every ticket in the lower bowl is sold out every year. Why? Because the school has cultivated a pretty large and loyal fan base which has continued to come to games, win or lose, for the past 60 years. The fact is, there is only minimal demand for SMU tickets even in the good years. SMU has to sell them on the cheap in order to get fans into the building. And, I can tell you, MU is not that hot of a ticket. Its not Louisville, Kentucky, Duke or even Memphis. Its just a small private school that has a relatively strong fanbase.

I will take it one step further, I don't think it is unusual for a school to have a small fanbase with a lot of bandwagon jumpers. SMU is like most schools in the country. I remember announced crowds of 650 at Houston basketball games, another school that depends on a bandwagon fanbase. I have been in empty Miami arena watching them lose to VT. Schools like NC State, Creighton, BYU, Dayton, Louisville, Syracuse, Kentucky, UNC, etc are the exceptions, not the rule. There is no logical reason 50,000 fans keep turning up each fall weekend to watch Indiana football. They have sucked for 50+ years. Still, the fans show up week after week. SMU not only has to win to draw fans (again, they were 19-11 a couple years ago and were outdrawn by 1/2 the Valley), they have to win very big such that the non-fans in Dallas become interested.

Finally, I do not want to anyone to think I am demeaning SMU as an academic institution. It is fantastic. Any school where the admitted applicants average a 3.64gpa, unweighted, and 31 on the ACT, is a pretty rigorous academic institution. To suggest that any flunky can get in and succeed, is simply untrue. You need to be a good student to succeed at SMU.

Using student tickets as part of your argument is pretty disingenuous as most schools pre-charge their students for tickets in the price of tuition. As Pesik said, you know very little about SMU and the American. If you are not a fan and not informed why do you keep sharing your opinions?

Indiana has decent football attendance because it is in the Big Ten and gets a big boost from visiting team fans. Rice, SMU, Houston, etc. all had much better attendance in the SWC. We get no attendance boost in our current conferences.

(03-25-2022 04:29 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Comparable season ticket at SMU is ...

I will take it one step further, I don't think it is unusual for a school to have a small fanbase with a lot of bandwagon jumpers.

1) your are comping current fan prices now, to Marquette current prices.. when you know smu is low in fan support now (when you are ware we are talking bandwagon)... smu tickets were drastically more expensive than marquettes in 2014..
the $120-200 price (as their lowest) was a hot game, you are right there.. but their min prices for that for the year was $60, which only lasted a short while .. it quickly rose to the hundreds by early February
again you could get into Marquette games in 2014 for $13 dollars

seat geek did a whole presentation about the astronomical rise for the demand of their ticket to that game .. that it was unprecedented


2) which brings me to the next point- notice the word "unprecedent".. if it was common it would be happening every where... smu's success that year wasnt out the ordinary, probably multiple teams with that kind of success yearly. please show me the $1000 single game tickets?? or reports of insane demand? - note smu didnt win a single tournament game in the larry brown era

literally look at NIU football (close to chicago) - niu had a dominant 6 year run in the early 2010s.. they averaged 11-2, Multiple top 25 season and and the 1st non boise/aac to make a major bowl...they were still doin 18k in their 24k arena (the worst aac pre-covid was above 20k)... if you go to any of the aac expansion threads you'll see me restating this point, that you want dormant fans (memphis football, smu basketball, houston in both) that you want teams that when they win there are fans who care. you dont want to just go for good, because there are good teams who just dont draw no matter, and wont draw national attention

3) stop trying to pass Marquette off as some scrub.. you win most years, you've had multiple decade long runs of making te tourney every year .. Marquette has no place in this argument .. w are saying smu has a large fanbase, they just wont stick around for 30years of subpar when they have the mavericks and cowboys ..

you take on smu is horrendous, and shows any lack understanding

eww

(03-24-2022 09:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:52 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

We are hiring UNT’s AD and basketball coach

(03-25-2022 09:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:52 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

We are hiring UNT’s AD and basketball coach

Pretty much!

(03-25-2022 08:47 PM)pesik Wrote:  eww

More info to leak

(03-25-2022 09:53 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  

(03-25-2022 09:49 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 09:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 07:52 PM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 06:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  Update on SMU search

SMU AD says he hasnt officially talked to anyone

Utep Coach Joe Golding (most known for his stint at Abilene Christian) is the backup option if UNT's Coach says no

UNT beat writer says his sources feel confident that Grant is coming back

Golding is Sonny Dykes’ brother in law. Not a good look.

And Rick Hart is a tool. Probably wont have much to do with this hire.

We are hiring UNT’s AD and basketball coach

Pretty much!

I'm going to enjoy conferencing with you SMU guys. You have a good sense of humor about this stuff.