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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
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(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.


It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

Doesnt that question go both ways? Why isnt Fox News sued into oblivion with all their lies?
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-15-2022 07:04 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
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(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

Doesnt that question go both ways? Why isnt Fox News sued into oblivion with all their lies?

Excellent question, and I think the answer is the same as for the mainstream media that conservatives love to hate - Fox isn't full of lies either in its news reporting. Guests and political entertainment hosts sometimes tell lies on all the networks that I'm aware of, as Fox admitted when defending the suit against Tucker. Nobody on CNN primetime is as extreme and loose with the truth as Tucker or Hannity, MSNBC I don't have much personal familiarity with so perhaps they are even worse. But if you watch Fox News outside of prime time you'll still get the news and the hosts who represent the network don't tell outright lies. Just like the others, they cover stories more or less depending on the magnitude of the story and whether it is good or bad for their side. They also play up the angle of the story that best suits their predominant audience - I watched Fox for years and quit during the Obama presidency when I got tired of the negative slant on everything. MSNBC was just as bad, cheering everything and downplaying any problems. CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news, although the primetime hosts certainly do lean left.
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(03-15-2022 07:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news,


With post like this, you beginning to challenge Scorpius as the biggest loon on the entire site.

The difference is I think he is admittedly "on the spectrum".

You on the other hand are clearly a troll and probably an alias for another well known troll poster.
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(03-15-2022 07:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news,


With post like this, you beginning to challenge Scorpius as the biggest loon on the entire site.

The difference is I think he is admittedly "on the spectrum".

You on the other hand are clearly a troll and probably an alias for another well known troll poster.

OH MY GOSH! You're my SIL, now tell me the truth, your name isn't Anna is it? CNN the epitome of "straight news". Yep, straight to the toilet.
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(03-15-2022 07:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news, although the primetime hosts certainly do lean left.

You're trying to tell us that the LOWEST rated 'news network' is the best option for straight news? There are hundreds of podcasts that get a bigger audience than that clown outfit. Some of them, MUCH bigger.

Really? It's no wonder you are so misinformed. Like Reagan said (paraphrasing) "it's not that our friends on the left don't know anything, it's that so much of what they know isn't so."
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-15-2022 07:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 07:04 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

Doesnt that question go both ways? Why isnt Fox News sued into oblivion with all their lies?

Excellent question, and I think the answer is the same as for the mainstream media that conservatives love to hate - Fox isn't full of lies either in its news reporting. Guests and political entertainment hosts sometimes tell lies on all the networks that I'm aware of, as Fox admitted when defending the suit against Tucker. Nobody on CNN primetime is as extreme and loose with the truth as Tucker or Hannity, MSNBC I don't have much personal familiarity with so perhaps they are even worse. But if you watch Fox News outside of prime time you'll still get the news and the hosts who represent the network don't tell outright lies. Just like the others, they cover stories more or less depending on the magnitude of the story and whether it is good or bad for their side. They also play up the angle of the story that best suits their predominant audience - I watched Fox for years and quit during the Obama presidency when I got tired of the negative slant on everything. MSNBC was just as bad, cheering everything and downplaying any problems. CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news, although the primetime hosts certainly do lean left.

Nobody on CNN or MSNBC even understands the truth!
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-15-2022 08:04 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(03-15-2022 07:20 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  CNN remains the best national option we have for straight news, although the primetime hosts certainly do lean left.

You're trying to tell us that the LOWEST rated 'news network' is the best option for straight news? There are hundreds of podcasts that get a bigger audience than that clown outfit. Some of them, MUCH bigger.

Really? It's no wonder you are so misinformed. Like Reagan said (paraphrasing) "it's not that our friends on the left don't know anything, it's that so much of what they know isn't so."

Well said.
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-14-2022 10:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 05:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Putin wants more of Tucker, and less of this -

Russian TV Employee Yells ‘No War’ on Live Broadcast
March 14, 2022 at 5:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments

An employee of the Russian state-owned television station Channel One broke into its nightly news broadcast to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

She chanted: “Stop the war! No to war!”

The woman recorded a video before her protest: “I’m now deeply ashamed… We silently watched this anti-human regime… We are Russian people, thinking and smart ones. Only we have the power to stop all this craziness.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/14/rus...broadcast/


You have been fact checked and called out on these lies multiple times yet you continue to post them. Its obvious you know full well these are lies anf that they are absurdly twisting his words and the context.

Tuckers has said repeatedly on recent shows and throughout this whole things Putin is an evil murdering dictator and the war is wrong.

He did not remotely claim he ever supported Putin or this was and never said its was not unamerician to "support" Putin. They are grossly twisting words and context to create that headline.

Tucker believes it’s ok to use Anti American countries to defeat other more dangerous countries for Americans. This is where all the misinterpretation occurs by some erroneously by others deceitfully to undermine his legitimacy. He gave examples of Russia helping us to destroy ISIS. He also gave the best example of the US making a major financial commitment and military commitment to fund the Russian military in the 1940s to defeat Hitler. Russia would have never covered the ground they did along with the success they had if we hadn’t backed them. This is an undisputed FACT. So, in conclusion Tucker has no problem USING other countries to protect Americans. That is his only crime, if it falls below your moral standards.

He definitely is not a fan of Putin or Xi.
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(03-16-2022 12:34 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 10:17 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(03-14-2022 05:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Putin wants more of Tucker, and less of this -

Russian TV Employee Yells ‘No War’ on Live Broadcast
March 14, 2022 at 5:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments

An employee of the Russian state-owned television station Channel One broke into its nightly news broadcast to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

She chanted: “Stop the war! No to war!”

The woman recorded a video before her protest: “I’m now deeply ashamed… We silently watched this anti-human regime… We are Russian people, thinking and smart ones. Only we have the power to stop all this craziness.”

https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/14/rus...broadcast/


You have been fact checked and called out on these lies multiple times yet you continue to post them. Its obvious you know full well these are lies anf that they are absurdly twisting his words and the context.

Tuckers has said repeatedly on recent shows and throughout this whole things Putin is an evil murdering dictator and the war is wrong.

He did not remotely claim he ever supported Putin or this was and never said its was not unamerician to "support" Putin. They are grossly twisting words and context to create that headline.

Tucker believes it’s ok to use Anti American countries to defeat other more dangerous countries for Americans. This is where all the misinterpretation occurs by some erroneously by others deceitfully to undermine his legitimacy. He gave examples of Russia helping us to destroy ISIS. He also gave the best example of the US making a major financial commitment and military commitment to fund the Russian military in the 1940s to defeat Hitler. Russia would have never covered the ground they did along with the success they had if we hadn’t backed them. This is an undisputed FACT. So, in conclusion Tucker has no problem USING other countries to protect Americans. That is his only crime, if it falls below your moral standards.

He definitely is not a fan of Putin or Xi.

It's the nature of the modern world. No nuance. You've got to be "all in" one way or another. That's fine by me on certain topic (homosexuality, abortion, etc) but war is not a black and white issue in many cases. As sort of an aside I keep seeing these pop up around Charlotte area.

[Image: 701d7a51-6947-4e6a-b60e-7991b335e800-ukr...;auto=webp]

As far as I can tell this is becoming a trend. Do you ever remember a time when this happened? Ukraine has been an epicenter of US and NATO corruption... Russia is incredibly corrupt as well... the US is corrupt, pretty much all big government is. So why is everyone in lock step supporting Ukraine? Yes, Putin is a bad guy but there are really bad guys all over the world, much more dangerous and cruel than Vlad. There are currently The blind support is really strange and has set off a lot of "red flags" for me personally.

Look at the current wars going on right now. There's like 10 in Africa right now but there's no benefit to Globalists for those I guess. Personally I'd rather see the US declare war on the Mexican drug cartels, actual war. They're a much bigger threat to America.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countr...tly-at-war
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It was brought up earlier and I would like clarification from anyone with an opinion - what’s the difference between a biolab and a bioweapons lab?

Seems to me the only difference is whether or not you take your research and then intentionally kill people with it. If that’s it, then every biolab is a bioweapons lab in waiting. Am I wrong in that assumption?
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One of the few in America that still speaks the truth. For that, he must be investigated and silenced. Even some dumb azz GOP members now saying that. I hope the people replace these political fools.
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(03-16-2022 10:49 AM)banker Wrote:  It was brought up earlier and I would like clarification from anyone with an opinion - what’s the difference between a biolab and a bioweapons lab?

Seems to me the only difference is whether or not you take your research and then intentionally kill people with it. If that’s it, then every biolab is a bioweapons lab in waiting. Am I wrong in that assumption?


What was in Wuhan? A bio weapons lab or just a bio lab?

What effect did it have on the entire world?
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/...eason.html
Tucker in his own words.

"...Well, recently we learned the answer because we watched it. Masks were a training exercise. Mandatory masking was a shock collar designed to teach Americans unquestioning obedience and, of course, it worked because shock collars do work. In a single day last month we watched, for example, our entire professional class dutifully changed their Twitter avatars from mask up to the now mandatory Ukrainian flag.

There was no debate about doing this, no reflection. There was not even a real conversation. They just did it. Millions of people simply assumed reflexively a partisan position in a highly complicated foreign crisis, the next crisis, and as they did it, they moved in perfect lockstep. They were guided by their masters of the social media companies who were themselves taking direction from the White House.

The whole thing was like watching synchronized swimming in Pyongyang. It was an amazing performance. Most amazing of all was seeing Republican leaders join the herd after two years of COVID training, they couldn't help themselves. The result was the largest political flash mob in American history—Republicans, Democrats, business titans and the media all on one side.

So, of course, dissent of any kind was banned instantly and if you persist in asking questions about all of this found themselves censored and those who persisted in asking questions because they were lucky enough to have a rare, protected platform, found themselves threatened with something worse—maybe indictment, maybe arrest. Here's former Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, threatening this show just last night....

Now, if enough powerful people, that would be former senators, New York Times columnists, retired Intel chiefs working as contributors to MSNBC, if enough of these people call for you to be indicted, you probably will be indicted. If not for the core crime, then for another crime. They'll find something. That's our justice system now works. Those are the rules. This is a big change over what we had before for about 250 years.

So how do we get this new system? Simple, we eliminated the guardrails. We got rid of the principles that set limits to our leaders' power. Those principles, in short, were personal autonomy and the sanctity of the citizens' conscience. And we surrendered both of those during COVID. They no longer exist. We let them go. Once we allowed political leaders to force Americans to take drugs they didn't want, the old arrangement where the citizen had as much or more power as the leaders was over. Our politicians now have effectively limitless power, and they know that. They know it perfectly well. That's why they did it and if you doubt that they know it, watch the way they communicate with the American population.

They're giving you propaganda. They always have. What's changed is that their propaganda is no longer sophisticated or persuasive because it doesn't have to be. Instead, their propaganda is blunt and vulgar. They summon TikTok performers to the White House so that some 18-year-old, who has never had a job, can tell you that inflation and historically high gas prices are actually Vladimir Putin's fault. They just did that, in fact. Here's the result...."
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Also:

"...You're the Congress and you're moved by the suffering in Ukraine. Every American is. Americans are kind people. They want to help. Civilians in Ukraine are being crushed by Vladimir Putin. That's true. How can we help? Well, why don't we send more weapons to Ukraine in the middle of a war? It doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you're going to make that decision, you'd probably feel some kind of moral obligation to consider the ramifications. Like, what effect will this actually have? Is it possible that doing this, as well-intentioned as it is, (and it is) is it possible doing this will be counterproductive? Will it hurt the people I'm hoping to help?

Will it, for example, prolong the fighting in Ukraine at the expense of the vulnerable civilian population in Ukraine? If I do this, could I inadvertently be doing to Ukraine what the West inadvertently did to, let's say, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan? You wouldn't want that. You'd hate to do something like that again, because that would be cruel. So, you'd want to make sure you weren't doing that. But not a single person in Washington, at least in public, appears to be asking that question. No one's allowed to ask that question. What are you a Putin defender? And in fact, as well-meaning as most Americans are—most of our lawmakers are well-meaning—you get the sense that the core figures in our foreign policy establishment don't really care. And in fact, never have cared about the effects of their policy.

We can give you a million examples. Here's one: Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright way back in 1996, shrugged off the documented deaths of half a million Iraqi children. Not a small number, half a million, because imposing sanctions on Saddam Hussein was "worth it....""
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(03-16-2022 10:49 AM)banker Wrote:  It was brought up earlier and I would like clarification from anyone with an opinion - what’s the difference between a biolab and a bioweapons lab?

Seems to me the only difference is whether or not you take your research and then intentionally kill people with it. If that’s it, then every biolab is a bioweapons lab in waiting. Am I wrong in that assumption?


Was going to post something similar yesterday on this. Just didn’t bother.


Any “bio-lab” can be weaponized simply by releasing the stuff (whatever it is) in a subway tunnel or at a *Ahem* “wet market” somewhere…
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov approves of Fox News war coverage -

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/m...ge-ukraine
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(03-18-2022 10:05 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov approves of Fox News war coverage -

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/m...ge-ukraine


Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already over this lie?

You apparently do not even realize its YOU who are now spreading Russian propaganda by post this.

Well done, comrade. You are now a useful idiot for the Russian communists.
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-16-2022 12:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  Also:

"...You're the Congress and you're moved by the suffering in Ukraine. Every American is. Americans are kind people. They want to help. Civilians in Ukraine are being crushed by Vladimir Putin. That's true. How can we help? Well, why don't we send more weapons to Ukraine in the middle of a war? It doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you're going to make that decision, you'd probably feel some kind of moral obligation to consider the ramifications. Like, what effect will this actually have? Is it possible that doing this, as well-intentioned as it is, (and it is) is it possible doing this will be counterproductive? Will it hurt the people I'm hoping to help?

Will it, for example, prolong the fighting in Ukraine at the expense of the vulnerable civilian population in Ukraine? If I do this, could I inadvertently be doing to Ukraine what the West inadvertently did to, let's say, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan? You wouldn't want that. You'd hate to do something like that again, because that would be cruel. So, you'd want to make sure you weren't doing that. But not a single person in Washington, at least in public, appears to be asking that question. No one's allowed to ask that question. What are you a Putin defender? And in fact, as well-meaning as most Americans are—most of our lawmakers are well-meaning—you get the sense that the core figures in our foreign policy establishment don't really care. And in fact, never have cared about the effects of their policy.

We can give you a million examples. Here's one: Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright way back in 1996, shrugged off the documented deaths of half a million Iraqi children. Not a small number, half a million, because imposing sanctions on Saddam Hussein was "worth it....""

In the interest of "just asking questions" guys like Tucker-----Why is it all the esoteric "just asking questions" arguments never seem to bring up the fact we convinced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons arsenal with promises to secure Ukrainian sovereignty? The fact is---unless you think Russia would have attacked a bordering nation with more nukes than Russia had---then WE (as in the US) is at the very least SUBSTANTIALLY responsible for the current invasion. We certainly left them defenseless in the face of any member of the nuclear club---and then further undermined their security by opposing their entry into NATO.

Look---Ive got no interest in sending our troops to fight for Ukraine---but the truth is---this war never happens if we hadnt sold Ukraine a bill of goods that they didnt need nukes in the new world order that we would enforce. Im fine sending weapons for them to use in their defense. Its the absolute MINIMUM we should be doing. Ukraine and Russia are each run by adults. Either side can quit any time they decide they no longer wish to fight.
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-18-2022 11:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-16-2022 12:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  Also:

"...You're the Congress and you're moved by the suffering in Ukraine. Every American is. Americans are kind people. They want to help. Civilians in Ukraine are being crushed by Vladimir Putin. That's true. How can we help? Well, why don't we send more weapons to Ukraine in the middle of a war? It doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you're going to make that decision, you'd probably feel some kind of moral obligation to consider the ramifications. Like, what effect will this actually have? Is it possible that doing this, as well-intentioned as it is, (and it is) is it possible doing this will be counterproductive? Will it hurt the people I'm hoping to help?

Will it, for example, prolong the fighting in Ukraine at the expense of the vulnerable civilian population in Ukraine? If I do this, could I inadvertently be doing to Ukraine what the West inadvertently did to, let's say, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan? You wouldn't want that. You'd hate to do something like that again, because that would be cruel. So, you'd want to make sure you weren't doing that. But not a single person in Washington, at least in public, appears to be asking that question. No one's allowed to ask that question. What are you a Putin defender? And in fact, as well-meaning as most Americans are—most of our lawmakers are well-meaning—you get the sense that the core figures in our foreign policy establishment don't really care. And in fact, never have cared about the effects of their policy.

We can give you a million examples. Here's one: Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright way back in 1996, shrugged off the documented deaths of half a million Iraqi children. Not a small number, half a million, because imposing sanctions on Saddam Hussein was "worth it....""

In the interest of "just asking questions" guys like Tucker-----Why is it all the esoteric "just asking questions" arguments never seem to bring up the fact we convinced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons arsenal with promises to secure Ukrainian sovereignty? The fact is---unless you think Russia would have attacked a bordering nation with more nukes than Russia had---then WE (as in the US) is at the very least DIRECTLY responsible for the current invasion. We certainly left them defenseless in the face of any member of the nuclear club---and then further undermined their security by opposing their entry into NATO.

Look---Ive got no interest in sending our troops to fight for Ukraine---but the truth is---this war never happens if we hadnt sold Ukraine a bill of goods that they didnt need nukes in the new world order that we would enforce. Im fine sending weapons for them to use in their defense. Its the absolute MINIMUM we should be doing. Ukraine and Russia are each run by adults. Either side can quit any time they decide they no longer wish to fight.


Tucker has asked that question on air multiple times the last several weeks. In fact he was the first person and one of the only people to ask that on national TV.

Which again goes back to the point of WHY the media are engaging in this propaganda campaign against him.

The MSM does not want those questions asked, and certainly does not want a large audience to hear them asked.

They don't want people to understand that our own actions have played a massive role in this war. We helped set the stage for the war and now there is a slow push to get us involved by the same people who helped cause it in the first place.
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RE: Kremlin tells Russian TV to feature more Tucker Carlson?
(03-18-2022 11:16 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(03-18-2022 11:06 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-16-2022 12:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  Also:

"...You're the Congress and you're moved by the suffering in Ukraine. Every American is. Americans are kind people. They want to help. Civilians in Ukraine are being crushed by Vladimir Putin. That's true. How can we help? Well, why don't we send more weapons to Ukraine in the middle of a war? It doesn't sound like a bad idea, but if you're going to make that decision, you'd probably feel some kind of moral obligation to consider the ramifications. Like, what effect will this actually have? Is it possible that doing this, as well-intentioned as it is, (and it is) is it possible doing this will be counterproductive? Will it hurt the people I'm hoping to help?

Will it, for example, prolong the fighting in Ukraine at the expense of the vulnerable civilian population in Ukraine? If I do this, could I inadvertently be doing to Ukraine what the West inadvertently did to, let's say, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Afghanistan? You wouldn't want that. You'd hate to do something like that again, because that would be cruel. So, you'd want to make sure you weren't doing that. But not a single person in Washington, at least in public, appears to be asking that question. No one's allowed to ask that question. What are you a Putin defender? And in fact, as well-meaning as most Americans are—most of our lawmakers are well-meaning—you get the sense that the core figures in our foreign policy establishment don't really care. And in fact, never have cared about the effects of their policy.

We can give you a million examples. Here's one: Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright way back in 1996, shrugged off the documented deaths of half a million Iraqi children. Not a small number, half a million, because imposing sanctions on Saddam Hussein was "worth it....""

In the interest of "just asking questions" guys like Tucker-----Why is it all the esoteric "just asking questions" arguments never seem to bring up the fact we convinced Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons arsenal with promises to secure Ukrainian sovereignty? The fact is---unless you think Russia would have attacked a bordering nation with more nukes than Russia had---then WE (as in the US) is at the very least DIRECTLY responsible for the current invasion. We certainly left them defenseless in the face of any member of the nuclear club---and then further undermined their security by opposing their entry into NATO.

Look---Ive got no interest in sending our troops to fight for Ukraine---but the truth is---this war never happens if we hadnt sold Ukraine a bill of goods that they didnt need nukes in the new world order that we would enforce. Im fine sending weapons for them to use in their defense. Its the absolute MINIMUM we should be doing. Ukraine and Russia are each run by adults. Either side can quit any time they decide they no longer wish to fight.


Tucker has asked that question on air multiple times the last several weeks. In fact he was the first person and one of the only people to ask that on national TV.

Which again goes back to the point of WHY the media are engaging in this propaganda campaign against him.

The MSM does not want those questions asked, and certainly does not want a large audience to hear them asked.

They don't want people to understand that our own actions have played a massive role in this war. We helped set the stage for the war and now there is a slow push to get us involved by the same people who helped cause it in the first place.

Read what I responded to. The 1994 security guarantees are not mentioned there. What I quoted makes it sound like the only reason the US has any business there is cuz Americans are nice and bad things are happening on TV. Im simply saying that position is disingenuous and fails to capture that OUR nations promised Ukrainians would be secure if they gave up their nukes. Polls indicate Americans have little interest in sending American troops or American piloted aircraft into Ukraine. If the media is tying to get us into a war, they are failing miserably. Americans are having none of it. On the other hand, Americans are quite supportive of sending Ukraine the tools to defend themselves.
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