(03-15-2022 12:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ok fine. Let’s take the bio labs. What’s the first thing his guest Tulsi Gabbert says. She immediately corrected the wildly over the top Tucker and explained to him they are bio-labs——NOT bio-weapons labs. There are bio-labs here with all kinds of seriously dangerous crap in them. We call them the CDC. By the way—-when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union—-those bio-labs were there too—-except back then they actually were bio-weapons labs. So Tucker ignores that fact—and has moved into Putin talking points—a place his own invited guest (who’s faced criticism for simply pointing out that the labs are clearly there) was unwilling to agree with Tucker. So yeah—-I agree—-my “Putin as an alter boy” comment was hyperbole on my part—-but it does seem like Tucker is willing to bend the truth to be tougher on our government—-rather that follow the actual data. That clearly plays into the Putin narrative and is why they are playing his stuff on Russian State TV. I kinda feel like Tucker got invested in this story and is trying to ride something that just doesn’t really have legs. JMHO—I’m still a Tucker fan. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything he says.

You are welcome to have whatever opinion you want on the labs, but the simple fact is its just an opinion. Neither you or I or anyone here is on that part of the globe and none of us have toured those labs. We don't really know what is up on them, we have been lied to about it repeatedly and now we have conflicting information on them. So when you boil it down, we don't know.

But this is not about the bio labs, you are totally missing the point here.

The issue here is the propaganda our MSM is pushing that Tucker is defending Putins actions in all this, because that is a totally absurd lie and has been all along. Because Tucker is one of the only voices in our media with a big platform who is willing to ask A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS (not just the labs) that the rest of media refuses to ask, he is being attacked on a coordinated level level that is just breathtaking and the flat out lies and propaganda being spewed is communist level state media.

Its not that I'm some major super fan of Tucker, its the fact that our media has turned into this communist state propaganda machine, and no one will ask a whole host of obvious questions they need to be asking, and that is incredibly dangerous for our nation. Tucker is one of the few who are, and he's the only one with a prime time major platform, and they are trying to destroy him for doing it. Whether we agree with his points or not, there has to be voices in the media with a big platform willing to ask such questions.

This is not about the bio labs, this is about his entire arc of reporting throughout the buildup and breakout of this war. He has hit on a whole lot of questions and points no one will ask or make. And we need that in our media, and it pisses me off to see the tsunami of propaganda being unleashed on him for doing it.

The truth is the attacks on Tucker are part of cancel culture and the suppression of dissent we are seeing in our country. He is one of the elephants in the room standing against it and they are trying to cancel him and silence him because he wont shut up and get in line with the Marxist globalist narrative on all of this.

(03-15-2022 05:52 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  the attacks on Tucker are part of cancel culture and the suppression of dissent we are seeing in our country. He is one of the elephants in the room standing against it and they are trying to cancel him and silence him because he wont shut up and get in line with the Marxist globalist narrative on all of this.

Well said, and true.

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like Tucker snd think he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

He has not ONCE inferred that Russia or Putin is good... only that Ukraine seems to be less bad and that warhawks keep pushing and pushing and pushing wanting us to get involved. He's highlighted the incompetence of our administration plenty of times. What some of y'all like to ignore, or pretend didn't happen, is incompetence under previous administrations that have helped this mess along. He talks about that since nobody else will.

(03-15-2022 08:02 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like Tucker snd think he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

He has not ONCE inferred that Russia or Putin is good... only that Ukraine seems to be less bad and that warhawks keep pushing and pushing and pushing wanting us to get involved. He's highlighted the incompetence of our administration plenty of times. What some of y'all like to ignore, or pretend didn't happen, is incompetence under previous administrations that have helped this mess along. He talks about that since nobody else will.

Yes. Ive already admitted that comment was hyperbole on my part. However, it is a fact Tucker has pushed a narrative that Putin likes---one that is also hyperbole (claiming the labs are "bio-weapon labs"). He also uses this to infer some sort of equivalency between US actions and the current invasion that is inaccurate in my opinion. That said, Im vehemently ANTI-cancel culture. Always have been. Im fine with Tucker questioning the current narrative and making his opinions known. I dont have to agree with his opinion to fervently believe he has every legitimate right to broadcast his opinions to a large audience.

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

(03-15-2022 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. Ive already admitted that comment was hyperbole on my part. However, it is a fact Tucker has pushed a narrative that Putin likes---one that is also hyperbole (claiming the labs are "bio-weapon labs"). He also uses this to infer some sort of equivalency between US actions and the current invasion that is inaccurate in my opinion. That said, Im vehemently ANTI-cancel culture. Always have been. Im fine with Tucker questioning the current narrative and making his opinions known. I dont have to agree with his opinion to fervently believe he has every legitimate right to broadcast his opinions to a large audience.

That is all we are saying. Your on this bio lab point but that is not what all the attacks and attempts to cancel Tucker have been about. That is one of a lot of things he has been covering throughout the lead up and outbreak of this war. The lab issue just cropped up this past week.

The labs are really just a single aspect of a much bigger corruption issue within the Biden WH and many at the highest level of our government in Ukraine.

Would Putin like those facts to come out? Yes, but we can't cover those issues up just because Putin approves of it. Its still a massive corruption scandal that needs to be openly discussed in our media. Not covered up.

There are a lot of people at the highest level of our government that are eyeball deep in this entire cluster #### with Ukraine and have racked in millions of dollars for them and their families and played a major role in creating this conflict. Someone in our media with a big platform has GOT to talk about this and right now Tucker is the only one doing it. And he is calling out the clear slow walk in our media and government to getting us caught up in this war. And look at the massive propaganda campaign our media is playing against Tucker for it.

And look how effectively its shaping people opinions on him and his show. Its working. Unless you watch the first several minutes of his show every night you have no clue how over the top the lies and propaganda against him is.

You don't have to agree with his views on everything, I know I don't. But the outright lies being spread over him in recent weeks by the entire media is scary. They are OBVIOUSLY lying and the level of lies and propaganda are hitting new highs.

Well we had labs in Wuhan, China. All but the left will admit how that turned out. Millions dead and trillions in economic activity destroyed from the Wuhan virus.
We work with Ukraine on things we can't do here. So what?

(03-15-2022 11:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. Ive already admitted that comment was hyperbole on my part. However, it is a fact Tucker has pushed a narrative that Putin likes---one that is also hyperbole (claiming the labs are "bio-weapon labs"). He also uses this to infer some sort of equivalency between US actions and the current invasion that is inaccurate in my opinion. That said, Im vehemently ANTI-cancel culture. Always have been. Im fine with Tucker questioning the current narrative and making his opinions known. I dont have to agree with his opinion to fervently believe he has every legitimate right to broadcast his opinions to a large audience.

That is all we are saying. Your on this bio lab point but that is not what all the attacks and attempts to cancel Tucker have been about. That is one of a lot of things he has been covering throughout the lead up and outbreak of this war. The lab issue just cropped up this past week.

The labs are really just a single aspect of a much bigger corruption issue within the Biden WH and many at the highest level of our government in Ukraine.

Would Putin like those facts to come out? Yes, but we can't cover those issues up just because Putin approves of it. Its still a massive corruption scandal that needs to be openly discussed in our media. Not covered up.

There are a lot of people at the highest level of our government that are eyeball deep in this entire cluster #### with Ukraine and have racked in millions of dollars for them and their families and played a major role in creating this conflict. Someone in our media with a big platform has GOT to talk about this and right now Tucker is the only one doing it. And he is calling out the clear slow walk in our media and government to getting us caught up in this war. And look at the massive propaganda campaign our media is playing against Tucker for it.

And look how effectively its shaping people opinions on him and his show. Its working. Unless you watch the first several minutes of his show every night you have no clue how over the top the lies and propaganda against him is.

You don't have to agree with his views on everything, I know I don't. But the outright lies being spread over him in recent weeks by the entire media is scary. They are OBVIOUSLY lying and the level of lies and propaganda are hitting new highs.

I wouldn't call it new highs. Its kind of par for the course for the lying MSM. You can't believe ANYTHING they print on politics.

(03-15-2022 03:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Yes. Ive already admitted that comment was hyperbole on my part. However, it is a fact Tucker has pushed a narrative that Putin likes---one that is also hyperbole (claiming the labs are "bio-weapon labs"). He also uses this to infer some sort of equivalency between US actions and the current invasion that is inaccurate in my opinion. That said, Im vehemently ANTI-cancel culture. Always have been. Im fine with Tucker questioning the current narrative and making his opinions known. I dont have to agree with his opinion to fervently believe he has every legitimate right to broadcast his opinions to a large audience.

That is all we are saying. Your on this bio lab point but that is not what all the attacks and attempts to cancel Tucker have been about. That is one of a lot of things he has been covering throughout the lead up and outbreak of this war. The lab issue just cropped up this past week.

The labs are really just a single aspect of a much bigger corruption issue within the Biden WH and many at the highest level of our government in Ukraine.

Would Putin like those facts to come out? Yes, but we can't cover those issues up just because Putin approves of it. Its still a massive corruption scandal that needs to be openly discussed in our media. Not covered up.

There are a lot of people at the highest level of our government that are eyeball deep in this entire cluster #### with Ukraine and have racked in millions of dollars for them and their families and played a major role in creating this conflict. Someone in our media with a big platform has GOT to talk about this and right now Tucker is the only one doing it. And he is calling out the clear slow walk in our media and government to getting us caught up in this war. And look at the massive propaganda campaign our media is playing against Tucker for it.

And look how effectively its shaping people opinions on him and his show. Its working. Unless you watch the first several minutes of his show every night you have no clue how over the top the lies and propaganda against him is.

You don't have to agree with his views on everything, I know I don't. But the outright lies being spread over him in recent weeks by the entire media is scary. They are OBVIOUSLY lying and the level of lies and propaganda are hitting new highs.

I wouldn't call it new highs. Its kind of par for the course for the lying MSM. You can't believe ANYTHING they print on politics.

I would call it new highs. The level of lies, propaganda and dishonesty by the media has ramped up each year since 2016. Then 2020 hit and it was another light speed jump.

Every few months now it seems to reach a new peak. Doesn't mean they were liars before, but it continues to escalate more and more.

I have seen the media collude to attack others on fox and elsewhere a lot the last few years, but this is as hard of a push I have seen yet.

Most on the right don't even listen to the MSM at all anymore, I still record some of them daily just to get a taste of what they are saying and where the narrative is going. Tucker has became enemy and target #1 in recent weeks, even creeping past Trump and DeSantis.

(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

The difference is Tucker does an opinion show. MSM does their hyperbole on alleged "news" shows.

(03-14-2022 11:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think you are missing Tucker's point. He's saying Ukraine is not our worry. There are a slew of things in this country that are higher priority. He is absolutely NOT saying Putin is an alter boy.
Read what he said, not what they claim he said. You should know that by now. He says there is no excuse for the invasion.

I think Ukraine is a worry for us. Russia needs to have consequences. But Tucker has a serious point and not what the left tries to promote.

Like I said—-I think he makes some good points—-but it kinda is our business—which is why I brought up the Budapest agreement. What concerns me the most is this President has gone from kinda pathetic doddering fool to flat out dangerous. I agree—-domestic affairs are just as important—-but we can handle dealing with more than one thing at a time.

He is also making the very relevant point that "Russia" or Putin himself isn't really our biggest problem right now or going forward.

When Syria blew up or Libya or where ever else the common refrain was "Not our problem, let them deal with it". But now?

Yes the nuke agreement is a problem and I don't think anyone believes this invasion is justified or even advisable. But it's not our (or shouldn't be) our biggest concern. He's clearly referring to China stealing our jobs and technology, sending suitcases of fentanyl over here via our wide open southern border to kill our young generation and their designs on Taiwan.

Good people can disagree on which should be our higher priority right now. I'm firmly in the "Regime that killed a million Americans", camp.

(03-15-2022 04:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 11:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think you are missing Tucker's point. He's saying Ukraine is not our worry. There are a slew of things in this country that are higher priority. He is absolutely NOT saying Putin is an alter boy.
Read what he said, not what they claim he said. You should know that by now. He says there is no excuse for the invasion.

I think Ukraine is a worry for us. Russia needs to have consequences. But Tucker has a serious point and not what the left tries to promote.

Like I said—-I think he makes some good points—-but it kinda is our business—which is why I brought up the Budapest agreement. What concerns me the most is this President has gone from kinda pathetic doddering fool to flat out dangerous. I agree—-domestic affairs are just as important—-but we can handle dealing with more than one thing at a time.

He is also making the very relevant point that "Russia" or Putin himself isn't really our biggest problem right now or going forward.

When Syria blew up or Libya or where ever else the common refrain was "Not our problem, let them deal with it". But now?

Yes the nuke agreement is a problem and I don't think anyone believes this invasion is justified or even advisable. But it's not our (or shouldn't be) our biggest concern. He's clearly referring to China stealing our jobs and technology, sending suitcases of fentanyl over here via our wide open southern border to kill our young generation and their designs on Taiwan.

Good people can disagree on which should be our higher priority right now. I'm firmly in the "Regime that killed a million Americans", camp.

Its not just Ukraine. The mishandling began in Afghanistan. Its continued in Ukraine (which kinda is our business due to the both the Budepest agreement AND the fact that Putin has indicated he thinks NATO needs to fall back to its 1997 lines---which means Article 5 problems could be on our horizons if we do not handle Ukraine properly). We have China misbehaving. We have Little Rocket Man shoot missiles out S Korea again---oh---and Iran is lobbing big ballistic missiles into our consulate in Iraq. Weakness can cause us a bushel of trouble if we dont get it together real quick. We may just have to endure a lot of damage and bad news until 2024. Im not sure there is any way to turn a bumbling fool into a leader. We are in a bad place right now---and it getting very dangerous.

That said---I think the American people can concentrate on more than one thing at once. We want Putin to NOT know what we will do. We want our nation to help Ukraine as much as we can short of sending troops. We want inflation fixed, our supply chain brought home, and our criminals put in jail rather than walking around the streets on "free bail" despite awaiting trial on for multiple arrests, and we want to be energy independent like we were just a few years ago.

(03-15-2022 04:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 04:07 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 11:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  I think you are missing Tucker's point. He's saying Ukraine is not our worry. There are a slew of things in this country that are higher priority. He is absolutely NOT saying Putin is an alter boy.
Read what he said, not what they claim he said. You should know that by now. He says there is no excuse for the invasion.

I think Ukraine is a worry for us. Russia needs to have consequences. But Tucker has a serious point and not what the left tries to promote.

Like I said—-I think he makes some good points—-but it kinda is our business—which is why I brought up the Budapest agreement. What concerns me the most is this President has gone from kinda pathetic doddering fool to flat out dangerous. I agree—-domestic affairs are just as important—-but we can handle dealing with more than one thing at a time.

He is also making the very relevant point that "Russia" or Putin himself isn't really our biggest problem right now or going forward.

When Syria blew up or Libya or where ever else the common refrain was "Not our problem, let them deal with it". But now?

Yes the nuke agreement is a problem and I don't think anyone believes this invasion is justified or even advisable. But it's not our (or shouldn't be) our biggest concern. He's clearly referring to China stealing our jobs and technology, sending suitcases of fentanyl over here via our wide open southern border to kill our young generation and their designs on Taiwan.

Good people can disagree on which should be our higher priority right now. I'm firmly in the "Regime that killed a million Americans", camp.

Its not just Ukraine. The mishandling began in Afghanistan. Its continued in Ukraine (which kinda is our business due to the both the Budepest agreement AND the fact that Putin has indicated he thinks NATO needs to fall back to its 1997 lines---which means Article 5 problems could be on our horizons if we do not handle Ukraine properly). We have China misbehaving. We have Little Rocket Man shoot missiles out S Korea again---oh---and Iran is lobbing big ballistic missiles into our consulate in Iraq. Weakness can cause us a bushel of trouble if we dont get it together real quick. We may just have to endure a lot of damage and bad news until 2024. Im not sure there is any way to turn a bumbling fool into a leader. We are in a bad place right now---and it getting very dangerous.

That said---I think the American people can concentrate on more than one thing at once. We want Putin to NOT know what we will do. We want our nation to help Ukraine as much as we can short of sending troops. We want inflation fixed, our supply chain brought home, and our criminals put in jail rather than walking around the streets on "free bail" despite awaiting trial on for multiple arrests, and we want to be energy independent like we were just a few years ago.

The Ukrainian president is going to give a desperate plea live to congress tomorrow. Its going to move the needle for a lot in congress and the needle has already been inching more and more to escalation.

It looks more and more like we are going to get pushed into this before it ends. The momentum in congress and the media builds each day.

(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

All you will get in reply is a wheelbarrow of deep state conspiracy BS about how the mainstream media and the courts are conspiring to keep the god fearing white middle aged pickup truck driving demographic down.

(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court.

How do you expect anyone on this planet to take you serious when you post this?

Why don't you throw in that Tom Brady never won anything, Donald Trump is an extremely humble man and Bill Clinton isn't interested in sex with young women.

What are you gonna post next? McDonald's doesn't sell hamburgers?

(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?

The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.

It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

Ever heard of Covington Catholic?

I don't think "kids" dying from fentyl overdoses are our best. If they're too stupid to realize that drugs are as risky as playing russian roulette then do you think these people have any sense? I don't, they're probably the run of the mill druggie that we see in our streets. Simply put, I have no sympathy for stupid people who indulge in drugs knowing how they affect them. I do feel sorry for their parents but in the end do they have any voice in this? No parent wants their kids to get their kicks from drugs, unless they're the ones who initiated them into it.

(03-15-2022 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 05:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 04:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 11:53 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.

Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.

Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.

He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.

Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.

When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.

Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.

You are recording a guy every night and calling it reporting when there is a legal precedent established that no reasonable person would take the things he says as factual. Sounds like you are the one who has fallen for it again after fox lawyers told you he couldn’t be belived once.

“ Fox News seeks dismissal at the pleading stage on two constitutional grounds. First, it asserts that Mr. Carlson’s statements on the December 10, 2018, episode of his show are constitutionally protected opinion commentary on matters of public importance and are not reasonably understood as being factual.

Fox News first argues that, viewed in context, Mr. Carlson cannot be understood to have been stating facts, but instead that he was delivering an opinion using hyperbole for effect.”

In the unlikely event that one of the leftist media was hauled into court in a similar fashion, you can bet that their lawyers would use the very same strategy. It is an opinion show, not a hard news show. But you knew that. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. A big nothingburger.

And why, pray tell, does the mainstream media not get hauled into court for all of the malicious lies you think they are telling? Surely you aren't suggesting that conservatives lack for lawyers and resources? It's because lawyers know that courtrooms are not Fox News, and you cannot go into court and spew lies without being sanctioned by the court. Just take a look at the things Rudy Giuliani actually said in court about the 2020 election, versus some of the claims he and others made in non-courtroom settings where there were no consequences -

https://cnsnews.com/blog/cnsnewscom-staf...lvania-was

Ever heard of Covington Catholic?

Yes, and that kid got a settlement from NBC and perhaps others. I'm not saying that the mainstream media never gets anything wrong or does anything wrong, and we have retractions and defamation as remedies for those instances. Covington Catholic in fact illustrates that the system works to hold them accountable if & when they do screw up. But the vast majority of right-wing accusations against the media never make it to a suit even being filed, in part because it's pure BS that a lawyer couldn't advocate for in court without being sanctioned.