I'm not a huge fan of posting anything from Mother Jones, but there are pictures linked here that appear to be legitimate. Assuming this is legit, does this bother anyone here?
The Libertarian in me really worries that we have a large chunk of the media on the Kremlin's payroll and they are influencing not only politicians but the electorate.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...rlson-fox/
It would probably be a good bet to not trust anything coming out of Russia.
(03-14-2022 12:42 PM)mlb Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not a huge fan of posting anything from Mother Jones, but there are pictures linked here that appear to be legitimate. Assuming this is legit, does this bother anyone here?
The Libertarian in me really worries that we have a large chunk of the media on the Kremlin's payroll and they are influencing not only politicians but the electorate.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/202...rlson-fox/
No.
They will use anything favorable to them. So?
And this is really more of the left's attempts to silence Tucker Carlson, because he is far smarter than any of them.
We know the Chinese have professors and politicians in their pocket (or certain private body parts). They may not have owned the Obama administration, but it couldn't have been any more pro-Chinese if they did. Biden's family has been bribed (maybe not by a legal definition, but in reality they have) by the Chinese and Russians. So have the Clintons through their foundation.
I don't care what Russia chooses to put on their state TV.
The important question is what merit is there to what Tucker says? On the list of things that threatens American's liberty and future Putin is pretty far down my list. That's really the essence of his Russia monologue that he caught hell for, not that Putin's a swell guy and we need to take his side.
There's a whole cascade of events that led to this invasion happening and it isn't talked about, like 30 years of an ideology if that if we ship enough jobs overseas autocratic countries will become democratic and we'll have world peace.
Putin wants more of Tucker, and less of this -
Russian TV Employee Yells ‘No War’ on Live Broadcast
March 14, 2022 at 5:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments
An employee of the Russian state-owned television station Channel One broke into its nightly news broadcast to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
She chanted: “Stop the war! No to war!”
The woman recorded a video before her protest: “I’m now deeply ashamed… We silently watched this anti-human regime… We are Russian people, thinking and smart ones. Only we have the power to stop all this craziness.”
https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/14/rus...broadcast/
Honest question, to anyone who wants to provide an answer: what is the most “pro-Putin” or “pro-Russia” thing that Tucker Carlson has said? Give as many or as few examples as you like. It doesn’t even have to be from his TV show, necessarily.
(03-14-2022 05:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, to anyone who wants to provide an answer: what is the most “pro-Putin” or “pro-Russia” thing that Tucker Carlson has said? Give as many or as few examples as you like. It doesn’t even have to be from his TV show, necessarily.
Here's a sampling -
It’s “not un-American” to support Putin;
Democrats will find you guilty of treason if you don’t hate Putin;
The whole thing is simply a “border dispute”;
“Ukraine is not a democracy”;
Ukraine is a “puppet” of the West; and
that unless Vladimir Putin has personally had you or one of your family members murdered, you really don’t have any right to criticize the guy
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/...tin-praise
I was hoping for more than snippets of 2 or 3 words. But if that’s all there is, well… okay
(03-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022 05:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, to anyone who wants to provide an answer: what is the most “pro-Putin” or “pro-Russia” thing that Tucker Carlson has said? Give as many or as few examples as you like. It doesn’t even have to be from his TV show, necessarily.
Here's a sampling -
It’s “not un-American” to support Putin;
The whole quote: The Fox News host, who acknowledged that he’s attempting to interview Putin, said this week that it was “not treason, it is not un-American” to support Putin. “It’s the whole point of America,” he said Monday.
Democrats will find you guilty of treason if you don’t hate Putin;
That's right and that is un-American.
The whole thing is simply a “border dispute”;
Again the whole quote and point: “If you’ve been watching the news, you know that Putin is having a border dispute with a nation called Ukraine,” Carlson said. “Now, the main thing to know about Ukraine, for our purposes, is that its leaders once sent millions of dollars to Joe Biden’s family.
“Not surprisingly, Ukraine is now one of Biden’s favorite countries,” Carlson continued. “Biden has pledged to defend the borders even as he opens our borders to the world.”
“Ukraine is not a democracy”;
Well there are issues, but I would call it a democracy. Whole quote: "On Tuesday Carlson said: "You can't say it enough, Ukraine is not a democracy," pointing to the same issues of political and journalistic freedoms.
"And by the way, if the Biden administration believes that is a model democracy, we ought to be very concerned," he added."
Ukraine is a “puppet” of the West;
Whole quote: Carlson made the same point, arguing that Ukraine is "essentially managed by the State Department."
He later connected Biden's defense of the country to the theory that he is indebted to Ukrainian oligarchs — one of several references to Hunter Biden's former employment with the Ukrainian firm Burisma.
and
that unless Vladimir Putin has personally had you or one of your family members murdered, you really don’t have any right to criticize the guy
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/...tin-praise
All of his comments go over the morons at Vanity Fair's heads. He is way too intelligent for their tiny brains. He's talking about Biden neglecting the US border, Biden family corruption in Ukraine, and the totalitarianism of the American left that is a far bigger threat to America than Vladimir.
(03-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022 05:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, to anyone who wants to provide an answer: what is the most “pro-Putin” or “pro-Russia” thing that Tucker Carlson has said? Give as many or as few examples as you like. It doesn’t even have to be from his TV show, necessarily.
Here's a sampling -
It’s “not un-American” to support Putin;
Democrats will find you guilty of treason if you don’t hate Putin;
The whole thing is simply a “border dispute”;
“Ukraine is not a democracy”;
Ukraine is a “puppet” of the West; and
that unless Vladimir Putin has personally had you or one of your family members murdered, you really don’t have any right to criticize the guy
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/...tin-praise
In my opinion most of Tucker's comments are on point. I don't support Putin but putting myself in his position I can clearly see his side. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and the Russians were goaded by the inclusion of Ukraine in future NATO countries, a country that not only borders Russia but is joined at the hip culturally. There's no doubt in my mind on those two points. I've also grown increasingly wary of our role in these biotechnology labs scattered across the world and wouldn't be surprised in the least at what goes on at those places. I sometimes wonder if there is a generational gap involved, where many of the younger crowd don't remember the cold war and the omnipresent threat of conflict and the reasons for it. Putin, of the old guard, clearly saw Ukraine as a direct threat. It's beyond comprehension that our brain trusts didn't see this one coming. They had to, and it confuses me.
(03-14-2022 08:46 PM)HCJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022 05:12 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022 05:08 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: [ -> ]Honest question, to anyone who wants to provide an answer: what is the most “pro-Putin” or “pro-Russia” thing that Tucker Carlson has said? Give as many or as few examples as you like. It doesn’t even have to be from his TV show, necessarily.
Here's a sampling -
It’s “not un-American” to support Putin;
Democrats will find you guilty of treason if you don’t hate Putin;
The whole thing is simply a “border dispute”;
“Ukraine is not a democracy”;
Ukraine is a “puppet” of the West; and
that unless Vladimir Putin has personally had you or one of your family members murdered, you really don’t have any right to criticize the guy
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/02/...tin-praise
In my opinion most of Tucker's comments are on point. I don't support Putin but putting myself in his position I can clearly see his side. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and the Russians were goaded by the inclusion of Ukraine in future NATO countries, a country that not only borders Russia but is joined at the hip culturally. There's no doubt in my mind on those two points. I've also grown increasingly wary of our role in these biotechnology labs scattered across the world and wouldn't be surprised in the least at what goes on at those places. I sometimes wonder if there is a generational gap involved, where many of the younger crowd don't remember the cold war and the omnipresent threat of conflict and the reasons for it. Putin, of the old guard, clearly saw Ukraine as a direct threat. It's beyond comprehension that our brain trusts didn't see this one coming. They had to, and it confuses me.
I really like Tucker snd think he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?
The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.
I think you are missing Tucker's point. He's saying Ukraine is not our worry. There are a slew of things in this country that are higher priority. He is absolutely NOT saying Putin is an alter boy.
Read what he said, not what they claim he said. You should know that by now. He says there is no excuse for the invasion.
I think Ukraine is a worry for us. Russia needs to have consequences. But Tucker has a serious point and not what the left tries to promote.
(03-14-2022 05:00 PM)Gamenole Wrote: [ -> ]Putin wants more of Tucker, and less of this -
Russian TV Employee Yells ‘No War’ on Live Broadcast
March 14, 2022 at 5:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 13 Comments
An employee of the Russian state-owned television station Channel One broke into its nightly news broadcast to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
She chanted: “Stop the war! No to war!”
The woman recorded a video before her protest: “I’m now deeply ashamed… We silently watched this anti-human regime… We are Russian people, thinking and smart ones. Only we have the power to stop all this craziness.”
https://politicalwire.com/2022/03/14/rus...broadcast/
You have been fact checked and called out on these lies multiple times yet you continue to post them. Its obvious you know full well these are lies anf that they are absurdly twisting his words and the context.
Tuckers has said repeatedly on recent shows and throughout this whole things Putin is an evil murdering dictator and the war is wrong.
He did not remotely claim he ever supported Putin or this was and never said its was not unamerician to "support" Putin. They are grossly twisting words and context to create that headline.
That Tucker Carlson is challenging the Biden admin's talking points about biological labs in Ukraine is somehow equated to Carlson being a stooge for Putin.
His questioning is actually called journalism. The MSM ought to try it sometimes.
(03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?
The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.
It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.
Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.
Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.
He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.
Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.
When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.
Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.
(03-14-2022 09:54 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]I think you are missing Tucker's point. He's saying Ukraine is not our worry. There are a slew of things in this country that are higher priority. He is absolutely NOT saying Putin is an alter boy.
Read what he said, not what they claim he said. You should know that by now. He says there is no excuse for the invasion.
I think Ukraine is a worry for us. Russia needs to have consequences. But Tucker has a serious point and not what the left tries to promote.
Like I said—-I think he makes some good points—-but it kinda is our business—which is why I brought up the Budapest agreement. What concerns me the most is this President has gone from kinda pathetic doddering fool to flat out dangerous. I agree—-domestic affairs are just as important—-but we can handle dealing with more than one thing at a time.
(03-14-2022 10:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2022 09:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]I really like and think Tucker he's made some good points, but he's ridden way way too far out on a pretty thin limb for me on this one. Sorry---I just cant go where he is. Its fine to note that Ukraine is not exactly a nation of alter boys----but at this point he's basically trying to say the Putin is the alter boy and this is somehow all about Dems vs Republican politics. I mean--has he even read the Budapest Memorandum? Sure doesnt seem like he has. Its the document where the US and Russia promised security guarantees to protect Ukrainian sovereignty if Ukrine gave up their nukes. Ukraine---hey---wouldnt that be the same country Putin has now invaded twice in one decade?
The fact is this has nothing to do with masks, BLM, bio-labs, or the Durham investigation. This is about Bidens complete incompetence involving national security and foriegn affairs. This is about Bidens weakness and the precarious position his weakness and incompetence has placed us in (not just us---actually the WHOLE world). He made such a mess of exiting Afghanistan that Russia figured there was no way we could do anything about it if he invaded Ukraine--a nation we guaranteed security to. Iran is flinging missiles at our consulate. The Saudis wont even pick up the phone when he calls. Tucker has completely whiffed on the real issue here. He may as well be talking about masks and vaccine mandates when the real issue is gross incompetence of our chief executive.
It appears you are starting to fall for this too. If you watch Tucker each night, just the first 2 segments you will see he does not REMOTELY paint Putin as an "alter boy" in this conflict or at all. That is totally absurd.
Again, you would have seen that is a absurd lie just in the first segment alone tonight.
Why exactly is it wrong for Tucker to including reporting on bio labs and how the Biden administration has been lying about this? Almost no one else is reporting on it, if you are attacking him for reporting on it you basically are saying no one should be allowed to report on it. And lets not pretend like that is the only aspect of this war he is reporting on.
He has done a ton of segments on the corruption of Biden and our politicians in their money laundering schemes with Ukrainians government. He has also done a done of segments on how many in our media and government are using propaganda to falsely paint anyone who questions the WH and our government as Putin sympathizers.
Here he is questioning the involvement of our government in corruption here and the clear slow walk our government and media are trying to pull to get us involved in a major war with Russia. And because he is calling those things out the entire establishment media is engaged in a MAJOR propaganda campaign to paint him as supporting Putin.
When you compare the claims of what he says with what he ACTUALLY says in just in the first 2 segments each night its mind blowing how far from reality the propaganda is.
Again, you could have just watched the first segment tonight and this whole narrative of him painting Putin as the good guy here blows up.
Ok fine. Let’s take the bio labs. What’s the first thing his guest Tulsi Gabbert says. She immediately corrected the wildly over the top Tucker and explained to him they are bio-labs——NOT bio-weapons labs. There are bio-labs here with all kinds of seriously dangerous crap in them. We call them the CDC. By the way—-when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union—-those bio-labs were there too—-except back then they actually were bio-weapons labs. So Tucker ignores that fact—and has moved into Putin talking points—a place his own invited guest (who’s faced criticism for simply pointing out that the labs are clearly there) was unwilling to agree with Tucker. So yeah—-I agree—-my “Putin as an alter boy” comment was hyperbole on my part—-but it does seem like Tucker is willing to bend the truth to be tougher on our government—-rather that follow the actual data. That clearly plays into the Putin narrative and is why they are playing his stuff on Russian State TV. I kinda feel like Tucker got invested in this story and is trying to ride something that just doesn’t really have legs. JMHO—I’m still a Tucker fan. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything he says.
(03-15-2022 12:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Let’s take the bio labs. What’s the first thing his guest Tulsi Gabbert says. She immediately corrected the wildly over the top Tucker and explained to him they are bio-labs——NOT bio-weapons labs.
I suspect that Gabbard is correct here, but I honestly wonder how anyone can possibly know that, unless they are personally supervising the labs themselves.