(03-12-2022 02:39 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 01:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz
Absolutely a vote of no confidence.
What really plays well with Americans is the accept no fault for the dumpster fire that is about to get worse.

And what is really sad is that republicans are very likely to blow their opportunity because of their own political stupidity.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

Why do you keep saying that? VA didn't do that in the recent state elections and the state had a Democrat Governor, LT Governor, Attorney General, 2 Democrat Senators in Washington, and had voted Democrat in the last 2 Presidential elections.

We now have a Republican Governor, LT Governor (Black), and Attorney General (Hispanic) that were all elected just 4 months ago. The state's house of delegates also changed to favor the Republicans.

Most people all over the country aren't happy at all with what has been happening over the past year or so.

I agree with Owl on this and what I’m mean is who he is talking about — DC Republicans and the National Republican Party apparatus.

There are some good governors doing good work but the problems of the GOP lies within Washington DC. and the likes of Ronda McDaniels, McConnell, Lindsey, McCarthy, Cheney, Romney’s, those advisers……..etc

They would rather lose the House and Senate if it keeps American First candidates from winning if possible

(03-12-2022 07:20 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 02:39 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 01:24 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 12:12 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz
Absolutely a vote of no confidence.
What really plays well with Americans is the accept no fault for the dumpster fire that is about to get worse.

And what is really sad is that republicans are very likely to blow their opportunity because of their own political stupidity.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

Why do you keep saying that? VA didn't do that in the recent state elections and the state had a Democrat Governor, LT Governor, Attorney General, 2 Democrat Senators in Washington, and had voted Democrat in the last 2 Presidential elections.

We now have a Republican Governor, LT Governor (Black), and Attorney General (Hispanic) that were all elected just 4 months ago. The state's house of delegates also changed to favor the Republicans.

Most people all over the country aren't happy at all with what has been happening over the past year or so.

This cannot be emphasized enough. Superb post, ODU BBALL!

The path forward for Republicans and conservatives (yes, we know, not the same thing) to redeem our nation from the poison of progressivism is simple and obvious. Stick to points that matter, and matter now.

=> Okay, the Democrats cheated their way to victory in 2020. I don’t know if that’s the case or not, but I’ll take your word for it. Not because I agree, but rather because it doesn’t now matter. Making this the front-and-center issue for 2022 and 2024 is Hillary-like loserism. It gains nothing aside from salving your own hurt feelings, or in order to show your worshipful allegiance to the precious Orange man. Feel free to think that way if you wish. But don’t insist on it from others.

=> Have some humility and patience for those who are still on the fence. There are plenty who are ready to take the red pill. But forcing it down their throats is not going to work. I feel terrible for the younger generations. We boomers utterly failed them by not stopping the progressive indoctrination that seeped into our schools and our culture over the past 40 years. Shaming or dismissing these younger voters is lazy and futile. We, who let this happen, need to keep our geriatric outrage in check if we want to get this country back on track.

=> Support candidates who know how to fight back - - effectively. (Here is the part where I piss everyone off, but it is a central point.). Donald Trump is a fighter. But he is NOT effective. He cheerleads for a committed audience of a little better than 1/3 of the American electorate. He turns off everyone else, and forces them to swallow their disdain in order to support him. Look instead to those who are not just fighters, but are effective at it. Ron DeSantis is the most prominent example, but he is not the only one.

ODU BBALL is exactly correct. We succeeded last year in blue (not purple) Virginia. It will work elsewhere in the nation, if Republicans/conservatives can just stay on message.

That point is not lost on me and can be broadly applied to not just our educational system.

Edit: I see you included culture in there as well...

(03-12-2022 12:51 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Boom!

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

And you have singed wings?

(03-12-2022 08:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 04:26 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 02:24 PM)banker Wrote:  Why can’t you make any post without trying to down Trump in it? You were doing well but just couldn’t help yourself.

=> TDS - - in my case defined as the revulsion at the progressive damage wrought upon our nation, brought upon us by Donald Trump thinking he was too good to have to campaign to anyone other than his fully committed fans.

I don’t consider the 75 million 1/3 of the electorate, I consider it more people than have voted for any Republican in history by about 10,000,000.

=> The number was actually only 74,999,999. I voted for him, but did so out of love of country, not love of Donald. If he had not acted like a total clown leading up to the election, that 10 million would have instead been 20 million, and we would not be in this mess.

I know you’re not going to accept my word on this banker. But I’ll say it anyway. I admire Donald Trump. He saved our nation from the corrupt Clinton machine in 2016. And he governed far better than I ever dreamed he would. But he blew it in the 2020 election. And he’s pretty much the ONLY Republican who will manage to find a way to blow it again in 2024. I am convinced of that, and it bothers me greatly.

If you go back and read ODU BBALL’s post, to which I was responding, you will get a better statement of the important point: Republicans can and will win in 2022 and 2024 if they stay on message, like was done in Virginia last year. But that means running candidates who are capable of staying on message.

DeSantis/Pompeo 2024!

You seriously believe this crap don't you? 75M votes was good enough for the most ever by any president except miraculously Joe Biden.. Supposedly Trunk was so disliked that he still set a record . Lol.

It had nothing to do with Trump. He could've gotten 100M votes. The Dems would've found 101M for Biden.

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Whether it be Trump or some other Republican who wins the WH is it still a case of biased press 24/7/52/365 about how terrible and corrupt one is?

If When another Republican President endures what Trump did from the press we have serious issues beyond a party affiliation.

When, not if. We could run Mother Theresa and the left would demonize her.

(03-13-2022 09:20 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 04:26 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 02:24 PM)banker Wrote:  Why can’t you make any post without trying to down Trump in it? You were doing well but just couldn’t help yourself.

=> TDS - - in my case defined as the revulsion at the progressive damage wrought upon our nation, brought upon us by Donald Trump thinking he was too good to have to campaign to anyone other than his fully committed fans.

I don’t consider the 75 million 1/3 of the electorate, I consider it more people than have voted for any Republican in history by about 10,000,000.

=> The number was actually only 74,999,999. I voted for him, but did so out of love of country, not love of Donald. If he had not acted like a total clown leading up to the election, that 10 million would have instead been 20 million, and we would not be in this mess.

I know you’re not going to accept my word on this banker. But I’ll say it anyway. I admire Donald Trump. He saved our nation from the corrupt Clinton machine in 2016. And he governed far better than I ever dreamed he would. But he blew it in the 2020 election. And he’s pretty much the ONLY Republican who will manage to find a way to blow it again in 2024. I am convinced of that, and it bothers me greatly.

If you go back and read ODU BBALL’s post, to which I was responding, you will get a better statement of the important point: Republicans can and will win in 2022 and 2024 if they stay on message, like was done in Virginia last year. But that means running candidates who are capable of staying on message.

DeSantis/Pompeo 2024!

You seriously believe this crap don't you? 75M votes was good enough for the most ever by any president except miraculously Joe Biden.. Supposedly Trunk was so disliked that he still set a record . Lol.

It had nothing to do with Trump. He could've gotten 100M votes. The Dems would've found 101M for Biden.

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Whether it be Trump or some other Republican who wins the WH is it still a case of biased press 24/7/52/365 about how terrible and corrupt one is?

If When another Republican President endures what Trump did from the press we have serious issues beyond a party affiliation.

When, not if. We could run Mother Theresa and the left would demonize her.

I beg for anyone to argue that point ... that's the crux that's dispensed by muh msm folk 'heroes'...

I simply ask, "where's the firing squad?"

those fkbags have achieved an entire other level of hatred within my flow ... media for people???!!! .... WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ref: WRH ... that fkbag was TTThee master that started it all once the printing press was invented .. plus, he played large by fuxxoring muh 420 ,,, most folk can't comprehend how that changed 'murica....

#doTheDue

(03-13-2022 09:20 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 04:26 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 02:24 PM)banker Wrote:  Why can’t you make any post without trying to down Trump in it? You were doing well but just couldn’t help yourself.

=> TDS - - in my case defined as the revulsion at the progressive damage wrought upon our nation, brought upon us by Donald Trump thinking he was too good to have to campaign to anyone other than his fully committed fans.

I don’t consider the 75 million 1/3 of the electorate, I consider it more people than have voted for any Republican in history by about 10,000,000.

=> The number was actually only 74,999,999. I voted for him, but did so out of love of country, not love of Donald. If he had not acted like a total clown leading up to the election, that 10 million would have instead been 20 million, and we would not be in this mess.

I know you’re not going to accept my word on this banker. But I’ll say it anyway. I admire Donald Trump. He saved our nation from the corrupt Clinton machine in 2016. And he governed far better than I ever dreamed he would. But he blew it in the 2020 election. And he’s pretty much the ONLY Republican who will manage to find a way to blow it again in 2024. I am convinced of that, and it bothers me greatly.

If you go back and read ODU BBALL’s post, to which I was responding, you will get a better statement of the important point: Republicans can and will win in 2022 and 2024 if they stay on message, like was done in Virginia last year. But that means running candidates who are capable of staying on message.

DeSantis/Pompeo 2024!

You seriously believe this crap don't you? 75M votes was good enough for the most ever by any president except miraculously Joe Biden.. Supposedly Trunk was so disliked that he still set a record . Lol.

It had nothing to do with Trump. He could've gotten 100M votes. The Dems would've found 101M for Biden.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

Whether it be Trump or some other Republican who wins the WH is it still a case of biased press 24/7/52/365 about how terrible and corrupt one is?

If When another Republican President endures what Trump did from the press we have serious issues beyond a party affiliation.

When, not if. We could run Mother Theresa and the left would demonize her.

They already are critical of her.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/...b9f93df835

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/08/31/asia/...index.html


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/world...ritic.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna641181

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

I agree. Should get 100 million votes for the scum in 2024. Socialism/greenfukedeal is our future. I know you must be happy about that.

(03-13-2022 11:04 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

I agree. Should get 100 million votes for the scum in 2024. Socialism/greenfukedeal is our future. I know you must be happy about that.

Good illustration of the parallel logic employed by progressives and Trump worshippers. No ability to think beyond the either/or binary. You and Mensa have much in common.

A Republican can't win anyways, country is too Blue w/ our hold of Arizona & Georgia gone & our inability to compete in the Rust Belt. Just run Trump again in 2024 & have him go down as a martyr.

(03-13-2022 12:42 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 11:04 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

I agree. Should get 100 million votes for the scum in 2024. Socialism/greenfukedeal is our future. I know you must be happy about that.

Good illustration of the parallel logic employed by progressives and Trump worshippers. No ability to think beyond the either/or binary. You and Mensa have much in common.

You demonize Trump and ignore the record he set.

(03-14-2022 12:42 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 12:42 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-13-2022 11:04 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

I agree. Should get 100 million votes for the scum in 2024. Socialism/greenfukedeal is our future. I know you must be happy about that.

Good illustration of the parallel logic employed by progressives and Trump worshippers. No ability to think beyond the either/or binary. You and Mensa have much in common.

You demonize Trump and ignore the record he set.

It's usually progressives who change the common meanings of words, but apparently not exclusive to them. In your instance:

=> "Demonize" means explaining via detailed examples (posts 5 & 14) why I am of the opinion that the Republicans have better options in 2024 that Donald Trump; and

=> "Ignore" means except for that little part in post 14 where I gave him credit for winning in 2016 and governing better than I expected, to the point that he earned my vote in 2020.

But, other than that, you got me. And, I suppose given the prevailing sentiment of this forum, anything short of full-throated gospel songs in praise of the great Donald is fairly characterized as demonized ignorance. So I guess you take this round.

No I just don't see how you square the fact that he had 75M votes with your belief that he hurt himself somehow. That was a record. FWIW, I've called out DJT on the trillions he printed and getting cucked by Fauci. He's far from perfect in my mind. I was also not a fan of the pandering to gays.

(03-14-2022 01:17 PM)b2b Wrote:  No I just don't see how you square the fact that he had 75M votes with your belief that he hurt himself somehow. That was a record. FWIW, I've called out DJT on the trillions he printed and getting cucked by Fauci. He's far from perfect in my mind. I was also not a fan of the pandering to gays.

Statistically he performed measurably worse than the down-ticket Republican candidates sharing the ticket with him. That doesn't exclude election fraud, which may have been specific to the Trump race and did not bleed over to the down-ticket races. But it certainly is an indication that there is something about the man that turned off a meaningful number of voters.

B.t.w., in the flurry of taking shots at Donald Trump, I am not always careful about acknowledging that most (not all, but most) on this forum have very well-thought positions, and are not fairly grouped with whatever less-than-respectful aspersion that I may be making in any particular moment. If you'll accept my generalized apology for that now, you have it. But I know for a certainty that I'll be guilty of this many times again.

Donald Trump is an American hero for what he succeeded in doing in 2016. Yet Donald Trump is also incapable of doing anything but damage to our nation if/when he insists on running again in 2024. Sorry to all who are offended by my opinion on this.

(03-14-2022 01:29 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-14-2022 01:17 PM)b2b Wrote:  No I just don't see how you square the fact that he had 75M votes with your belief that he hurt himself somehow. That was a record. FWIW, I've called out DJT on the trillions he printed and getting cucked by Fauci. He's far from perfect in my mind. I was also not a fan of the pandering to gays.

Statistically he performed measurably worse than the down-ticket Republican candidates sharing the ticket with him. That doesn't exclude election fraud, which may have been specific to the Trump race and did not bleed over to the down-ticket races. But it certainly is an indication that there is something about the man that turned off a meaningful number of voters.

B.t.w., in the flurry of taking shots at Donald Trump, I am not always careful about acknowledging that most (not all, but most) on this forum have very well-thought positions, and are not fairly grouped with whatever less-than-respectful aspersion that I may be making in any particular moment. If you'll accept my generalized apology for that now, you have it. But I know for a certainty that I'll be guilty of this many times again.

Donald Trump is an American hero for what he succeeded in doing in 2016. Yet Donald Trump is also incapable of doing anything but damage to our nation if/when he insists on running again in 2024. Sorry to all who are offended by my opinion on this.

Relative to the number of "votes" Biden got... yes. Another reason I believe the Biden presidency is fraudulent. Belweather counties, minority votes, total votes, etc all pointed to a Trump win. The objective was to get Trump out. What happened down ballot was more or less irrelevant to that goal. I'll always believe he was cheated and there was nothing he could've done about it. Like I've said before they'd have "found" one more vote where they needed to.

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

You are not alone, I'm there with you

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles..._2024.html

(03-14-2022 01:53 PM)Bill83 Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:55 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-12-2022 08:39 PM)b2b Wrote:  You seriously believe this crap don't you?

I do. And I also seriously believe that when 2024 Republican nominee Donald Trump manages to lose again in 2024, despite my having voted for him again, very few posters on this forum will have the honesty to say that maybe, just maybe, he wasn’t the way to go. It instead will be more of how the Democrats cheated again.

Trump supporters are like moths to a light bulb.

You are not alone, I'm there with you

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles..._2024.html

Good read

Thanks for posting.