Pee walls were fine in the 50's and 60's, but not today. They'll be replaced. If the east deck is kept, those bathrooms up there will be fully renovated as well. No one does pee walls anymore. All that urine flying around is disgusting.

(02-08-2022 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Pee walls were fine in the 50's and 60's, but not today. They'll be replaced. If the east deck is kept, those bathrooms up there will be fully renovated as well. No one does pee walls anymore. All that urine flying around is disgusting.

Don't be fooled, flushing toilets/urinals are disgusting in their own right....

"Flushing a toilet can generate large quantities of microbe-containing aerosols depending on the design, water pressure or flushing power of the toilet. A variety of pathogens are usually found in stagnant water as well as in urine, feces and vomit. When dispersed widely through aerosolization, these pathogens can cause many illnesses."

I suggest everyone hold it until they get home....

(02-08-2022 11:33 PM)Owlman49 Wrote:  

(02-08-2022 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Pee walls were fine in the 50's and 60's, but not today. They'll be replaced. If the east deck is kept, those bathrooms up there will be fully renovated as well. No one does pee walls anymore. All that urine flying around is disgusting.

Don't be fooled, flushing toilets/urinals are disgusting in their own right....

"Flushing a toilet can generate large quantities of microbe-containing aerosols depending on the design, water pressure or flushing power of the toilet. A variety of pathogens are usually found in stagnant water as well as in urine, feces and vomit. When dispersed widely through aerosolization, these pathogens can cause many illnesses."

I suggest everyone hold it until they get home....

That's why you exit immediately after flushing. Don't hang around in that crap.

(02-08-2022 11:24 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Pee walls were fine in the 50's and 60's, but not today. They'll be replaced. If the east deck is kept, those bathrooms up there will be fully renovated as well. No one does pee walls anymore. All that urine flying around is disgusting.

Males are notoriously lousy shots, and then there's splash, even if accuracy is not an issue.
There's almost always a puddle below the toilets and urinals.
The receptacle type almost doesn't matter as far as urine flying around.
We seem to have survived.

What they do with the restrooms is the least of my concern. Really. I'm a little more curious about the concession stands, suites, east deck, and south end zone. Pee all you want. I'll hopefully be enjoying the game.

Yes so much is required. Painting the stadium blue would really stand out. Would look like a new stadium.

(02-09-2022 09:46 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  Yes so much is required. Painting the stadium blue would really stand out. Would look like a new stadium.

Anything they do will be an improvement. Rice should be embarrassed.

(02-01-2022 05:00 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Just received an email letter from President Leebron about the state of the University. There was one sentence in the letter that stated that the first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon. Any ideas about the extent of the renovations that will be done.

It's been 10 days since President Leebron said in his Message to the Rice Community that "(t)he first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon."

Has anyone heard when any of these plans will be revealed ... and/or when the first stage of the renovations would actually kick off?

(02-10-2022 01:05 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 05:00 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Just received an email letter from President Leebron about the state of the University. There was one sentence in the letter that stated that the first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon. Any ideas about the extent of the renovations that will be done.

It's been 10 days since President Leebron said in his Message to the Rice Community that "(t)he first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon."

Has anyone heard when any of these plans will be revealed ... and/or when the first stage of the renovations would actually kick off?

Soon.

(02-10-2022 01:05 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 05:00 PM)WRC1975 Wrote:  Just received an email letter from President Leebron about the state of the University. There was one sentence in the letter that stated that the first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon. Any ideas about the extent of the renovations that will be done.

It's been 10 days since President Leebron said in his Message to the Rice Community that "(t)he first stage of the current renovation plans for the football stadium will also kick off soon."

Has anyone heard when any of these plans will be revealed ... and/or when the first stage of the renovations would actually kick off?

Whenever the next grad transfer placekicker arrives

I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

We were told end of January. Just not which year.

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

(02-11-2022 01:28 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

And maybe to complete construction without leaving the team to find an alternate home in a future season. I would assume the costs to play five or six games at BBVA Compass or TDECU might be significant.

(02-11-2022 01:28 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

I think the less optimistic group (including me) would feel a lot more confident and invested if plans with some detail of what's to be done and how it's to be executed were announced. Phases are fine if that's what's required, just let whatever's left of the flock (parliament) and future Owls know what's going on.

I hope the new President has input and more aggressive
I don't think Lebroon decision on this has much creditability since he is leaving this year.

(02-11-2022 06:37 PM)Texasowl Wrote:  I hope the new President has input and more aggressive
I don't think Lebroon decision on this has much creditability since he is leaving this year.

It's the BOT that makes final decisions; not the President.

(02-11-2022 03:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:28 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

I think the less optimistic group (including me) would feel a lot more confident and invested if plans with some detail of what's to be done and how it's to be executed were announced. Phases are fine if that's what's required, just let whatever's left of the flock (parliament) and future Owls know what's going on.

RANT WARNING! I recognize that the majority of what follows likely should exist on a separate thread but this struck a particular cord with me.

I couldn't agree more! I for one, I am done with any financial support of Rice University, Rice Football and for that matter Rice Athletics in general; until there is a more concrete (no HRS pun intended) approach to the athletic situation at the Institute.

There is no good reason that would prohibit us from returning to the proud tradition that enveloped the early days of Rice athletics. A tradition of success in the past for football and more recently success in baseball.

If there is a reason for our recent poor performance in the big three, one could surmise it emanates from a view by those in a position to make a difference, that athletic endeavors are detrimental to a well-rounded education. What a false idea.

Quite the opposite is the case. A successful football team, basketball team, baseball team, track team, tennis team etc... can bring a sense of pride to a university unlike anything else. This pride does not come at a cost to academic success it only enhances it. As an example, Harvard and Yale graduates and undergraduates still place a large amount of importance on the outcome of their annual football game. I am not a huge fan of Wikipedia but i quote it here:

"Harvard and Yale generally duke it out in the academic arena", but geographic proximity, the history of Yale's founding and social competition between the respective student and alumni bodies animate the athletic rivalry. Competition for undergraduate matriculants helps sustain the rivalry."

You ask the average person on the street (outside of a couple of dudes named Curl, Smalley and Kroto) where was the Bucky Ball discovered and I would wager that even the current students at Rice will have no clue. Ask them who has the best collegiate sport program in "name the sport" and you will likely get an immediate response from most.

Since I attended Rice, I have never understood why anyone would think that athletic success would hurt academic achievement. Note to anyone on this board who wasn't an athlete, I and most of my teammates valued and currently value the sheepskin as much as you.

How arrogant of the NERDs of Rice to think that the success of Stanford, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Service Academies, RICE ... etc... on the athletic field cheapens any achievement attained in academia.

Athletic achievement is celebrated in every culture. To ignore its importance is quite frankly STUPID. It is beyond time for those on the BOT, those in the university leadership and any large donors to move Rice beyond mediocrity in the space of athletics and commit to excellence just as they do in academia.

(02-12-2022 05:01 AM)Owlman49 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 03:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:28 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

I think the less optimistic group (including me) would feel a lot more confident and invested if plans with some detail of what's to be done and how it's to be executed were announced. Phases are fine if that's what's required, just let whatever's left of the flock (parliament) and future Owls know what's going on.

RANT WARNING! I recognize that the majority of what follows likely should exist on a separate thread but this struck a particular cord with me.

I couldn't agree more! I for one, I am done with any financial support of Rice University, Rice Football and for that matter Rice Athletics in general; until there is a more concrete (no HRS pun intended) approach to the athletic situation at the Institute.

There is no good reason that would prohibit us from returning to the proud tradition that enveloped the early days of Rice athletics. A tradition of success in the past for football and more recently success in baseball.

If there is a reason for our recent poor performance in the big three, one could surmise it emanates from a view by those in a position to make a difference, that athletic endeavors are detrimental to a well-rounded education. What a false idea.

Quite the opposite is the case. A successful football team, basketball team, baseball team, track team, tennis team etc... can bring a sense of pride to a university unlike anything else. This pride does not come at a cost to academic success it only enhances it. As an example, Harvard and Yale graduates and undergraduates still place a large amount of importance on the outcome of their annual football game. I am not a huge fan of Wikipedia but i quote it here:

"Harvard and Yale generally duke it out in the academic arena", but geographic proximity, the history of Yale's founding and social competition between the respective student and alumni bodies animate the athletic rivalry. Competition for undergraduate matriculants helps sustain the rivalry."

You ask the average person on the street (outside of a couple of dudes named Curl, Smalley and Kroto) where was the Bucky Ball discovered and I would wager that even the current students at Rice will have no clue. Ask them who has the best collegiate sport program in "name the sport" and you will likely get an immediate response from most.

Since I attended Rice, I have never understood why anyone would think that athletic success would hurt academic achievement. Note to anyone on this board who wasn't an athlete, I and most of my teammates valued and currently value the sheepskin as much as you.

How arrogant of the NERDs of Rice to think that the success of Stanford, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Service Academies, RICE ... etc... on the athletic field cheapens any achievement attained in academia.

Athletic achievement is celebrated in every culture. To ignore its importance is quite frankly STUPID. It is beyond time for those on the BOT, those in the university leadership and any large donors to move Rice beyond mediocrity in the space of athletics and commit to excellence just as they do in academia.

This nerd agrees.

(02-12-2022 10:40 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 05:01 AM)Owlman49 Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 03:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(02-11-2022 01:28 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 03:58 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm disappointed that he mentioned 'stages' of renovations. That leads me to believe that donations for a full project aren't secured. Not a good omen, but maybe I'm reading too much into his statement.

In a naively optimistic view, I would assume that when possible any major construction project should be structured in discrete phases in case unforeseen or uncertain delays occur. Working in phases allows the school to choose to pause construction and use what's available rather than risk trying to do everything at once (if it's even logistically possible) and then not having any access to a required facility because a major storm or other incident caused a delay through no fault of planning. It may also offer pricing advantages in committing to one set of contractors for longer period of time.

I will admit that an "uncertain" delay might be one of fundraising or finance, but it's not the only kind worth considering.

I think the less optimistic group (including me) would feel a lot more confident and invested if plans with some detail of what's to be done and how it's to be executed were announced. Phases are fine if that's what's required, just let whatever's left of the flock (parliament) and future Owls know what's going on.

RANT WARNING! I recognize that the majority of what follows likely should exist on a separate thread but this struck a particular cord with me.

I couldn't agree more! I for one, I am done with any financial support of Rice University, Rice Football and for that matter Rice Athletics in general; until there is a more concrete (no HRS pun intended) approach to the athletic situation at the Institute.

There is no good reason that would prohibit us from returning to the proud tradition that enveloped the early days of Rice athletics. A tradition of success in the past for football and more recently success in baseball.

If there is a reason for our recent poor performance in the big three, one could surmise it emanates from a view by those in a position to make a difference, that athletic endeavors are detrimental to a well-rounded education. What a false idea.

Quite the opposite is the case. A successful football team, basketball team, baseball team, track team, tennis team etc... can bring a sense of pride to a university unlike anything else. This pride does not come at a cost to academic success it only enhances it. As an example, Harvard and Yale graduates and undergraduates still place a large amount of importance on the outcome of their annual football game. I am not a huge fan of Wikipedia but i quote it here:

"Harvard and Yale generally duke it out in the academic arena", but geographic proximity, the history of Yale's founding and social competition between the respective student and alumni bodies animate the athletic rivalry. Competition for undergraduate matriculants helps sustain the rivalry."

You ask the average person on the street (outside of a couple of dudes named Curl, Smalley and Kroto) where was the Bucky Ball discovered and I would wager that even the current students at Rice will have no clue. Ask them who has the best collegiate sport program in "name the sport" and you will likely get an immediate response from most.

Since I attended Rice, I have never understood why anyone would think that athletic success would hurt academic achievement. Note to anyone on this board who wasn't an athlete, I and most of my teammates valued and currently value the sheepskin as much as you.

How arrogant of the NERDs of Rice to think that the success of Stanford, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Service Academies, RICE ... etc... on the athletic field cheapens any achievement attained in academia.

Athletic achievement is celebrated in every culture. To ignore its importance is quite frankly STUPID. It is beyond time for those on the BOT, those in the university leadership and any large donors to move Rice beyond mediocrity in the space of athletics and commit to excellence just as they do in academia.

This nerd agrees.

+2 Absolutely. We're beyond sick of it.