(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

It doesn't have to run non-stop... we have the technology and I've seen examples...

...and even if it did, I still don't understand the objection.

(02-07-2022 02:58 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

It doesn't have to run non-stop... we have the technology and I've seen examples...

...and even if it did, I still don't understand the objection.

For pete's sake, man! Someone might see someone else's wiener!

(02-07-2022 03:20 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:58 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

It doesn't have to run non-stop... we have the technology and I've seen examples...

...and even if it did, I still don't understand the objection.

For pete's sake, man! Someone might see someone else's wiener!

... and segue to concessions. Yes, the concession stands and a lot of other things are higher on my renovations priority list than the pee walls.

ETA, just caught the pun.

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?

Or certain former coaches?

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

Units!

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

D'oh!
Thanks for finding that.

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

This is why I love this board. So typical Rice. Long description of hydrology as it pertains to our antiquated football stadium urinals. Followed by a lawyer correcting the math!
Priceless.

(02-05-2022 07:12 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(02-05-2022 12:18 PM)Baconator Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 03:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 02:04 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  Any work will require HRS be brought to current CoH standards.

This will be a MASSIVE expense with very little 'bling' to show for it. This is why we will spend $50mm and get what many other places would get for $20mm. That's okay... it needs to be done... and its not the current administration's fault... but I'm very glad to see (expectantly) that it is finally being addressed. It will make things easier in the future

Why not just tear it down, and build up a new football stadium around the current track stadium (i.e. the original Rice stadium)? It would be closer to the METRO rail stop, and would allow the school to build basically from scratch without being burdened by the old structure.

Building the end zone facility really committed Rice to HRS. The concrete stadiums are indestructible. Besides, it's part of our identity.
I'm guessing that $120m would be enough to do all we want

I’ll be pleasantly surprised if our announced renovations total more than $15M

I believe the target is closer to 100mm, and I've heard (from reliable sources... like people with money) that 20 of that was pledged before the list was even known

(02-08-2022 12:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I believe the target is closer to 100mm, and I've heard (from reliable sources... like people with money) that 20 of that was pledged before the list was even known

Yeah it'll be a sizable investment, if you ask me. This will likely be the only renovation of the stadium. Everything will be done at one time, unlike the the 'stages' Karlgaard mentioned a few years ago. It will take at least $100m to get it done, but that amount would really make us proud of the results. It would be a beautiful stadium.

Also, I doubt more than a handful of suites are needed. I'm not convinced the demand is there. Maybe I'm wrong, and someone who knows better can tell me about demand.

I do know I'm excited about Rice football for the first time in a long while. I honestly can't believe all this is about to happen. I've been waiting since I was a teenager, and now I'm 48.. That place is our land. It must be the best. It must be protected. No one comes into our home and pushes us around.

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:20 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  In September, 2014, I went to a game at Davis-Wade Stadium (Mississippi State) after they had completed (in August, 2014) a $75 million upgrade. I certainly was surprised to find that they kept pee troughs in the restrooms.

Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

Bad assumption included as well.
The upper east men's rooms are locked during games.
16 pee-walls * 1gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 5760 gallons.

Still double the anticipated minimal usage for recent games attendance (once per game for each male that attends) for using 1gpf urinals.
TMI: I know that I skew that number higher, and I'm not imbibing, just old.

Found an image of the lower-west renovation drawings.

(02-07-2022 08:01 PM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?

Or certain former coaches?

Or certain current coaches?

(02-08-2022 01:29 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

Bad assumption included as well.
The upper east men's rooms are locked during games.
16 pee-walls * 1gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 5760 gallons.

Still double the anticipated minimal usage for recent games attendance (once per game for each male that attends) for using 1gpf urinals.
TMI: I know that I skew that number higher, and I'm not imbibing, just old.

Found an image of the lower-west renovation drawings.

The issue you pop into focus is that flushes are dependent on crowd size, and pee troughs are independent.

So the 'transition' crowd size would apparently be about 11,520, maybe up to 10% less (given that some women just wont go to a Rice game -- i.e. my wife).

If we get less than roughly around 10k avg attendance, the pee trough is a net water waster; if above, a net water saver.

Think of this as a rallying cry: SAVE THE PEE TROUGHS!!!! LETS WIN A CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP AND THE CROWDS TO THE STADIUM TO DO THIS!!!!

I like a good pee trough as much as the next guy, but in the Covid era, I’m concerned with the implications of “crossing the streams.”

(02-08-2022 06:32 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  I like a good pee trough as much as the next guy, but in the Covid era, I’m concerned with the implications of “crossing the streams.”

Is that like crossing the Rubicon?

(02-08-2022 01:29 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 08:32 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 07:42 PM)Grungy Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:42 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(02-07-2022 02:24 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  Troughs are an efficient use of space and water, and keep the lines moving faster. I never have understood the objection.

Are they an efficient use of water? Water literally flows non-stop. I would imagine the low flow urinals would be better - they don't run when people aren't using them.

Water usage is very low.
Typical flow rates are far lower than 1gpm.
I've turned the water on and off, and it takes a long time for the trickle of water to reach the drain.
That flow rate is enough to move everything along, and not spray water all over the place.
(Turning them on too high does make a mess.)

Let's just say 1 gallon per minute, to make calculation easy.
There are six pee-wall men's rooms, each with four pee walls.
That's 24 gallons per minute, if they're all running.
Call a game a six-hour event, just because.

That's 144 gallons.
Piffle.

The EPA mandates a maximum of 1 gallon per flush on commercial urinals, but it can be less.
A quick search shows units as low as zero and some at one pint (0.125 gpf)

Rice is all about LEED certification - and the LEED standard is less than or equal to 1.1 gpf.

For simplicity, let's just say 1 gallon per flush.

Our average crowd has been about 5,000.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that half are male.
For ease of calculation, let's assume that the males pee once per game.
For ease of calculation, let's assume they flush every time.
That's 2,500 gallons.
If they used the pint-per-flush unit, that would divide by 8.
312.5 gallons.
Over twice as much as the pee walls.

The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that a single person uses 80-100 gallons of water per day.

By going to a game and using a pee wall, there is probably a net savings of water for the community.

The urinals would require a fair amount of plumbing (I have the drawings here somewhere for the lower-west rest room mods), and a fair amount of maintenance.

The pee walls get a coat of paint, and most years they don't get that.

You want to save money and water - stick with pee walls.

Can we hire someone to paint murals of the other AAC campuses on the pee walls, just for our entertainment?
(I know the answer to that is "no", but I can dream my diabolical dreams, can't I?)

Math errors:

24 gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 8640 gallons.

Not 144

Bad assumption included as well.
The upper east men's rooms are locked during games.
16 pee-walls * 1gpm * 60 m/hr * 6 hrs = 5760 gallons.

Still double the anticipated minimal usage for recent games attendance (once per game for each male that attends) for using 1gpf urinals.
TMI: I know that I skew that number higher, and I'm not imbibing, just old.

Found an image of the lower-west renovation drawings.

Boo!