(01-18-2022 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:53 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine

This was taken from COVID 101 site



So, Tom while it’s not common doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

You are so blinded in your ideology you can no longer even come to reasonable or rational decisions. You try to defend an ideology that in itself goes against every moral code known to man. Blind subjugation Tom

That’s where you are in life at this very moment.

As with every vaccine ever developed, some people will develop complications directly from it and die. Some have died from the COVID vaccines as well. But it's extremely rare. I've never said otherwise.

That being said, VAERS is not verified data. It's just a site where A N Y O N E can file a report saying a vaccine caused a death. Doesn't mean it did. Any reports of deaths due directly to a vaccine are actually investigated by the CDC. And the deaths you site above are only for fully vaccinated people. Again, just means they died, not that a vaccine caused it.

I think you're conflating others comments to me for stuff I never said. Please be careful.

Children ages 5-11 are more likely to die from the vax than Covid. They told us this when it was approved, saying the benefit to the greater good outweighs the risk.

(01-19-2022 12:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 09:53 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine

This was taken from COVID 101 site



So, Tom while it’s not common doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

You are so blinded in your ideology you can no longer even come to reasonable or rational decisions. You try to defend an ideology that in itself goes against every moral code known to man. Blind subjugation Tom

That’s where you are in life at this very moment.

As with every vaccine ever developed, some people will develop complications directly from it and die. Some have died from the COVID vaccines as well. But it's extremely rare. I've never said otherwise.

That being said, VAERS is not verified data. It's just a site where A N Y O N E can file a report saying a vaccine caused a death. Doesn't mean it did. Any reports of deaths due directly to a vaccine are actually investigated by the CDC. And the deaths you site above are only for fully vaccinated people. Again, just means they died, not that a vaccine caused it.

I think you're conflating others comments to me for stuff I never said. Please be careful.

Children ages 5-11 are more likely to die from the vax than Covid. They told us this when it was approved, saying the benefit to the greater good outweighs the risk.

Well, nobody was talking about young children here, but I would like to see some credible sources for your assertion.

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

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The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

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There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

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The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

Greater good. The greater good would be served by you never posting your commie prog filth

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

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The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

One party advocates individual freedom while the other pushes government control.

(01-19-2022 02:21 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  One party advocates individual freedom while the other pushes government control.

Except that the party that advocates individual freedom doesn't really. Or maybe they just choke when the hard work of actually preserving liberty and freedom rears its head.

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

A fatal flaw in leftist thought, and ive heard it over and over in the past few months, is this concept that we are a democracy.... we are not a democracy, we are a representative republic. Which in this case and many other cases protects us from authoritarian rule. If you dont have the votes you dont just get to make stuff up out of thin air. You should strengthen your position and negotiate a deal.

All Biden knowingly did was inject confusion by proceeding in this unconstitutional manner. It wreaked havoc across the country and ultimately hurt businesses and workers.

Wait so youre against the filibuster?


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(01-19-2022 02:26 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 02:21 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  One party advocates individual freedom while the other pushes government control.

Except that the party that advocates individual freedom doesn't really. Or maybe they just choke when the hard work of actually preserving liberty and freedom rears its head.

Unfortunately true. Even at that they are head and shoulders above democrats.

(01-19-2022 02:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  Wait so youre against the filibuster?

Always been.

(01-19-2022 02:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

A fatal flaw in leftist thought, and ive heard it over and over in the past few months, is this concept that we are a democracy.... we are not a democracy, we are a representative republic. Which in this case and many other cases protects us from authoritarian rule. If you dont have the votes you dont just get to make stuff up out of thin air. You should strengthen your position and negotiate a deal.

All Biden knowingly did was inject confusion by proceeding in this unconstitutional manner. It wreaked havoc across the country and ultimately hurt businesses and workers.

I basically addressed this in my prior post. There's plenty of court cases and government policy in place currently that have already set the precedent for employer requirements, such as vaccines, as Constitutional.

So it's more than probable that they thought their mandate, was in fact, already Constitutional. Either way, we've never really seen anything like this before in our history, so it's not like you can say with 100% certainty that they knew they were bucking any precedent.

(01-19-2022 03:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 02:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

A fatal flaw in leftist thought, and ive heard it over and over in the past few months, is this concept that we are a democracy.... we are not a democracy, we are a representative republic. Which in this case and many other cases protects us from authoritarian rule. If you dont have the votes you dont just get to make stuff up out of thin air. You should strengthen your position and negotiate a deal.

All Biden knowingly did was inject confusion by proceeding in this unconstitutional manner. It wreaked havoc across the country and ultimately hurt businesses and workers.

I basically addressed this in my prior post. There's plenty of court cases and government policy in place currently that have already set the precedent for employer requirements, such as vaccines, as Constitutional.

So it's more than probable that they thought their mandate, was in fact, already Constitutional. Either way, we've never really seen anything like this before in our history, so it's not like you can say with 100% certainty that they knew they were bucking any precedent.

They actually admitted it beforehand, its known they knew it would go straight to the SCOTUS.



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(01-19-2022 03:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 02:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

A fatal flaw in leftist thought, and ive heard it over and over in the past few months, is this concept that we are a democracy.... we are not a democracy, we are a representative republic. Which in this case and many other cases protects us from authoritarian rule. If you dont have the votes you dont just get to make stuff up out of thin air. You should strengthen your position and negotiate a deal.

All Biden knowingly did was inject confusion by proceeding in this unconstitutional manner. It wreaked havoc across the country and ultimately hurt businesses and workers.

I basically addressed this in my prior post. There's plenty of court cases and government policy in place currently that have already set the precedent for employer requirements, such as vaccines, as Constitutional.

So it's more than probable that they thought their mandate, was in fact, already Constitutional. Either way, we've never really seen anything like this before in our history, so it's not like you can say with 100% certainty that they knew they were bucking any precedent.

100% wrong on the law. There was zero precedent that allowed a federal government vaccine mandate through employers. They knew it was likely to be struck down but they did it any way. There is one 1900s case that dealt with a state's authority to impose a minimal fine ($5) on a person for not being vaccinated. And they never were able to force the guy to get the vaccine, he just had to pay the one time fine. States powers are much broader than the federal government which is why Sotomayor looked like an idiot when she seemed to not know the difference.

(01-19-2022 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:40 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:31 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-14-2022 01:58 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  And get sued and pay a heavy price. Its discriminatory in nature.

FWIW - Most every company in every state is totally within their rights to require a vaccine as a condition of employment. There's only a few exceptions for disabilities and religious grounds.

If any of them require an AIDS vaccine let me know….

There are no FDA approved vaccines for AIDS as far as I'm aware.

There are as many Covid vaxxes with full fda approval in the US as there are aids vaxxes with full fda approval.

And before you post some fake fact check on that, you better read in-between the lines of what the fake fact check said.

I'll go ahead and assume you probably agree with the above statement. You should, because neither Pfizer nor the FDA has refuted that statement.

Also, more incoming as Intel is about to announce they are dropping their mandate.

(01-19-2022 01:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:08 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 10:15 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 08:45 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 07:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  While yes, many companies will either drop their requirement or only institute it for their health care sectors, it doesn't mean that they don't have a legal basis to mandate one if they choose as long as the state hasn't instituted a ban on the requirement.

Why did Biden knowingly circumvent the Constitution of the United States?

Why did he want to create more confusion with COVID?

Legitimate questions you should try answering

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

There are several court cases and myriad federal policies and procedures affirming companies ability mandate things like vaccines as a condition of employment.

Why did trump lie about Covid from the jump in the audio recordings with Woodward, when he knew its severity?

A legitimate question you should try answering.

You didnt answer mine... you first then Ill answer yours.

Your post has nothing to do with the poor attempt to circumvent the Constitution of the United States.

Now answer the questions

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The answer is, I don't know why they did what they did. I can only speculate that they did because there was no way to actually get a law through congress. When you have one party refusing to act for the greater good for the cause of public health and safety over partisan politics, you're left with an impossibility. And there was no way to go through congress mainly because of the filibuster. And you can source for me where that is in The Constitution when you have a free moment.....

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” CS Lewis

How did Lewis know so many Democrats?

Biden* takes another big "L" today.

Remember, Joe believes he has over-achieved. In one sense, he has. He almost has a perfect record. 0 court wins, many (choose your #) losses.

(01-21-2022 03:33 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Remember, Joe believes he has over-achieved. In one sense, he has. He almost has a perfect record. 0 court wins, many (choose your #) losses.

He wouldn’t be taking as many losses IF CORN POP was still around to advise him. I sincerely wonder if this a made up story and he was eating Corn Pops cereal when he thought it up.

i really don't understand why you all continue to interact with a circular argument trolls, one of which who admittedly gets paid to post here.

This forum was much better off and a more pleasant place to have a discussion in it's absence.

(01-22-2022 10:00 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  i really don't understand why you all continue to interact with a circular argument trolls, one of which who admittedly gets paid to post here.

This forum was much better off and a more pleasant place to have a discussion in it's absence.

I concur … those ding dongs only get sig line 4 in return when nuts zongo has his ‘whiskey spank’ on full throttle …

arguing fairly with a dipshite is not an option in muh book…

@debate099