(01-12-2022 01:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre

The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.

You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.

Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.

I agree with this. Folks cannot live off the land even if they are better equipped to hunt and fish. Believe me that takes a lot of luck as well as skill to bag that right buck or catch a mess a fish.

I grew up on a small family farm and we had cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and a ton of dogs both yard dogs that stayed out and hunting dogs that were kept up. We always had a freezer full of meat and eggs were plentiful. We even had a milk cow which I hated to milk. One of the hardest things you will ever do in life is learn how to milk a cow by hand. We also grew an acre plus garden every year and canned.

My point is this life is still sustainable unless the hoards figure out where you live and come and rape and pillage.

Not sure how fun it will be without electricity either.

Living off the land I do not believe is viable unless there are about a million buffalo or elk in your vicinity.

(01-12-2022 03:18 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

I actually think 3rd world and under developed countries would fare much better.

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Maybe 50 or 60 years ago 3rd world countries would have been okay... but they've quadrupled their population since then, mostly using grain imported from factory farms in the USA (and to a lesser extent, Canada, Russia, Australia, Brazil, and Argentina).

The poorest countries in the world in 1960 were Rwanda, Lesotho, Malawi, Nepal, and Afghanistan:

Population growth, 1960 to 2020:
Rwanda: 2.9 million to 12.95 million
Lesotho: 837,000 to 2.1 million
Malawi: 3.66 million to 19.1 million
Nepal: 10.1 million to 29.1 million
Afghanistan: 8.9 million to 38.9 million

If there is ever another Civil War conservatives will starve their urban enemy to death. The plandemic proved how quickly grocery store shelves go empty. Most cities are 6 to 9 meals away from anarchy.

In general the City of Louisville is poorly prepared for what is coming. I would guess most urban areas are.

(01-13-2022 10:44 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I agree with this. Folks cannot live off the land even if they are better equipped to hunt and fish. Believe me that takes a lot of luck as well as skill to bag that right buck or catch a mess a fish.

I grew up on a small family farm and we had cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and a ton of dogs both yard dogs that stayed out and hunting dogs that were kept up. We always had a freezer full of meat and eggs were plentiful. We even had a milk cow which I hated to milk. One of the hardest things you will ever do in life is learn how to milk a cow by hand. We also grew an acre plus garden every year and canned.

My point is this life is still sustainable unless the hoards figure out where you live and come and rape and pillage.

Not sure how fun it will be without electricity either.

Living off the land I do not believe is viable unless there are about a million buffalo or elk in your vicinity.

It’s going to be difficult to live off game for an extended amount of time, even in rural areas like East Kentucky where my cabin is. Kentucky has the largest elk herd east of the Mississippi, some 12K, and plenty of deer (934K) but I see those disappearing quickly. For that reason I have started exploring peanut butter as an alternative protein source.

I don’t believe in any of that prepper packaged food. Tastes too much like an MRE me.

My cabin is on a small mountain in Johnson County, Ky. I built it large enough to sleep eight. I recently added a solar panels. I had a generator but knew it would only work until gas became scarce. Thankfully solar technology has improved to the point electricity won’t be a problem.

My Dad grew up on the land where my cabin is. They bathed in the creek and put foods in the well to keep them cold. I have a smoke house on the property. I’ve got plenty of room for a garden but little flat land for livestock.

If I had it to do over I would have built my place with a basement. When I first started it was strictly a weekend project with the intention of using it during retirement. I never dreamed 30 years ago it might be used full time.

I’m looking at building a root cellar this summer. My fiancé is demanding a shower.

I have no idea how most would survive 1 week left to fend for themselves for food, water and safety let alone long term. Where I live and where we are situated, a month or two wouldn’t be much of a headache with what we have laid up just normally.

Oh....Make sure your friends are well marbled, too

(01-13-2022 12:38 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 10:44 AM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I agree with this. Folks cannot live off the land even if they are better equipped to hunt and fish. Believe me that takes a lot of luck as well as skill to bag that right buck or catch a mess a fish.

I grew up on a small family farm and we had cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys and a ton of dogs both yard dogs that stayed out and hunting dogs that were kept up. We always had a freezer full of meat and eggs were plentiful. We even had a milk cow which I hated to milk. One of the hardest things you will ever do in life is learn how to milk a cow by hand. We also grew an acre plus garden every year and canned.

My point is this life is still sustainable unless the hoards figure out where you live and come and rape and pillage.

Not sure how fun it will be without electricity either.

Living off the land I do not believe is viable unless there are about a million buffalo or elk in your vicinity.

It’s going to be difficult to live off game for an extended amount of time, even in rural areas like East Kentucky where my cabin is. Kentucky has the largest elk herd east of the Mississippi, some 12K, and plenty of deer (934K) but I see those disappearing quickly. For that reason I have started exploring peanut butter as an alternative protein source.

I don’t believe in any of that prepper packaged food. Tastes too much like an MRE me.

My cabin is on a small mountain in Johnson County, Ky. I built it large enough to sleep eight. I recently added a solar panels. I had a generator but knew it would only work until gas became scarce. Thankfully solar technology has improved to the point electricity won’t be a problem.

My Dad grew up on the land where my cabin is. They bathed in the creek and put foods in the well to keep them cold. I have a smoke house on the property. I’ve got plenty of room for a garden but little flat land for livestock.

If I had it to do over I would have built my place with a basement. When I first started it was strictly a weekend project with the intention of using it during retirement. I never dreamed 30 years ago it might be used full time.

I’m looking at building a root cellar this summer. My fiancé is demanding a shower.

Goats.

Rabbits and chickens, too.

Perpetual protein.

I hate chickens. I don’t know what caused greater trauma for me when I was 5 or 6. Getting run out of the henhouse by a rooster or watching my Grandma wring a chickens neck.

(01-13-2022 01:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Rabbits and chickens, too.

Perpetual protein.

Quote:I've killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another.

I've also ate about 90% of the things I've killed.

(01-13-2022 12:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I have no idea how most would survive 1 week left to fend for themselves for food, water and safety let alone long term. Where I live and where we are situated, a month or two wouldn’t be much of a headache with what we have laid up just normally.

Oh....Make sure your friends are well marbled, too

they’ll hunt you down … why?!

#desperationWithinHuman

and don’t kid yourself … they’ll lick your bones, too…

I would, if…

No ‘if’ left in any chapter in muh book…

#costa

@fisherman

(01-13-2022 01:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hate chickens. I don’t know what caused greater trauma for me when I was 5 or 6. Getting run out of the henhouse by a rooster or watching my Grandma wring a chickens neck.

I just got into chickens 2 years ago. I built the Taj Mahal of coops in March of 2020 when the world was initially getting weird due to Covid and nobody knew where this was heading. We get about a dozen eggs a day most of the year. I give most to friends. No roosters...they stress the girls out. If time comes where I need a roo since tractor supply is no longer around, they are easy enough to find.

We also have a breeding trio of meat rabbits that produce about a dozen fryers every few months. Chickens and rabbits provide all of my compost and fertilizer needs. Two hives now, too and I have put 5,000 square feet of what used to be stupid fescue lawn i has to mow every week into native wildflowers for pollinators (the honey is to die for). Not too shabby for a guy who was a full time city boy until 2018.

It’s seed porn season (seed catalogs). My personal seed bank for the garden is becoming a bit of a personal problem. I have about 900 square feet of raised beds within an enclosure so far. All human powered organic gardening. Best exercise I get.

I don’t do it to prep. But that is a nice side benefit. It’s been fun learning as we go.

I've got enough reserves to last a couple of weeks. After that I should start looking pretty thin. Then I'd have to find some food.

(01-13-2022 01:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-13-2022 01:13 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I hate chickens. I don’t know what caused greater trauma for me when I was 5 or 6. Getting run out of the henhouse by a rooster or watching my Grandma wring a chickens neck.

I just got into chickens 2 years ago. I built the Taj Mahal of coops in March of 2020 when the world was initially getting weird due to Covid and nobody knew where this was heading. We get about a dozen eggs a day most of the year. I give most to friends. No roosters...they stress the girls out. If time comes where I need a roo since tractor supply is no longer around, they are easy enough to find.

We also have a breeding trio of meat rabbits that produce about a dozen fryers every few months. Chickens and rabbits provide all of my compost and fertilizer needs. Two hives now, too and I have put 5,000 feet of what used to be stupid fescue lawn into native wildflowers for pollinators (the honey is to die for). Not too shabby for a guy who was a full time city boy until 2018.

It’s seed porn season (seed catalogs). My personal seed bank for the garden is becoming a bit of a personal problem. I have about 900 square feet of raised beds within an enclosure so far. All human powered organic gardening. Best exercise I get.

I don’t do it to prep. But that is a nice side benefit. It’s been fun learning as we go.

That’s a nice setup and you gave me something to think about.
Are you in Ah-High-ah?
(That’s what most of my family in the mountains call it)

Northern Michigan. Looking into goats too since the wife wants to start making cheese.

I had an opportunity to takeover a chicken processing factory in South Carolina back in the late 80’s. A recruiter called me. They flew up to meet me. They made me a nice offer after a visit or two and wanted me to fly down to see the facility, sign paperwork and look for a home.

When l told my late father he said, “Jim chickens are nastiest damn animals God ever made”. “You’ll regret taking that job”. I ended up turning down the job. Thinking back I don’t remember seeing my Dad ever eat a piece of chicken…lol

(01-13-2022 01:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Northern Michigan. Looking into goats too since the wife wants to start making cheese.

Michigan, my fiancé always talks about a trip they took up there a few years ago to Mackinaw Island. She said its beautiful. Farthest I’ve been in northern Michigan is Lapeer. It was beautiful there.

There’s a goat farm not to far from my old place in Southern Indiana. They make all kinds of stuff. Their cheese is amazing.

Man, I envy a lot of you guys. I'm a country boy at heart and know a few things about a lot of things. Speaking of chickens my grandpa used to cut their heads with an ax when I was a boy and used to love watching them scampering around the yard without a head until they bumped into something.

My son who just bought a couple of acres outside Yuma wanted to raise chickens but I told him how nasty they were. I remember my neighbor had a few in a coop (in the city) and boy they smelled up a storm. Their house was on the windy side and I would open my patio door during dinner and you could smell them. I told him that his chickens smelled bad and tried to be nice about it and he told me in no uncertain terms that he was keeping them. I told him that they were illegal in the city and he answered that he'd just pay the fine if they came. One day he confronted me and told me all his chickens were dead, knowing that I hated his chickens he assumed it was me who killed them. I told him frankly that I didn't killl his stupid chickens but that I was glad that they were dead. He didn't like that answer. Fortunately, he got out of the chicken raising business.

But, listening to youse guys stories I wish I lived in the country.

(01-12-2022 02:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  cause

i can skin a buck and i can run a trotline

Ha Ha...but when the gubnet tells you deer are out of season you're f'd

Reason #1 why I believe in birth control: too many people on the globe. We had 3.5 Billion 50 years ago and now it is 7.9 billion. Something has to give.

(01-13-2022 03:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Reason #1 why I believe in birth control: too many people on the globe. We had 3.5 Billion 50 years ago and now it is 7.9 billion. Something has to give.

Dwight Shrute had it right, there's too many people on this planet, we need another plague.


Then again maybe Thanos was right.. Problem is the blip took out random people, if it took out the ijits it wouldn't be so bad. I mean our government would be vacant, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.