(12-13-2021 03:27 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:13 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:57 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  This highlights the ridiculousness of the Texas law, which is terrible policy no matter where you stand on abortion. The Supreme Court may well overturn Roe vs. Wade using the current case from Mississippi, which stems from a law banning abortion after 15 weeks. That is a straightforward, logical challenge to current law although opinions will differ as to whether or not it should succeed. That is how the system should work when a state wants a law or court ruling overturned.

The Texas law promotes vigilantism and attempts to sidestep the state's enforcement of still unconstitutional (at this moment) anti-abortion laws by deputizing the public to do so via a civil court process. This is exactly what we told you would happen if the Texas law wasn't quickly struck down, blue states will copy it as a way to promote their policy agenda. Governor Newsom's proposal would be terrible policy as well. The Supreme Court still has not ruled on the merits of the Texas law, but they likely won't be able to avoid it forever and hopefully it and any copycats like this California proposal will be struck down 9-0.

The rule of law is essential to an orderly society and the law should be enforced by the state, not by private citizens exploiting a loophole cleverly crafted by a state legislature to sneakily avoid Supreme Court rulings. Whichever side you fall on in these policy debates, the solution is not vigilantism and pitting individuals more against each other than we already are.

You are 100 percent correct systematically speaking.

define systemic vs. law … last time I reviewed the def con, we’re now at manipulative, “One”…

fk the bs semantics…

It's a false equivalency (abortion vs guns), as the Texas law is preserving life while a any gun ban is literally unconstitutional, but Gamenole is right when he says that the Texas law not being forced by the State is a loophole that liberals will try to emulate on their platform.

hence, the real value how we’re now 50/50…

I’ll play this game until #costa … having said that, the question becomes, “will one in 10?”

#coinClicFlip

(12-13-2021 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  In one of my posts above I said let them do what they want.

We can still laugh at them for being communistic and idiotic.

Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

So, you decided to be student debt-free, but are ok with the government coming in and taking your earned income to pay the school debt of others who decided not to go the debt-free route?

Yes I am, I went to ECU which is a public and very affordable school compared to others. Even then I had to work full time for two years to save up the money to afford it and I’m still working nearly full time at college. I know other students at ECU who are 20k in debt. There’s been a massive propaganda effort to essentially tell kids from the time they’re in elementary to highschool that they have to goto college. Private colleges typically pitch the idea of going to your “dream school” when in reality they’re just tricking you into getting yourself in loads of debt.

Every year a massive number of high school graduates sign themselves up for decades of debt without realizing the consequences. So yes I would be happy to help chip into to help pay off their debt.

(12-13-2021 03:16 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  In one of my posts above I said let them do what they want.

We can still laugh at them for being communistic and idiotic.

Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

Ha, no need to explain! Our political perspectives are formed by our parents mostly at a younger age, then you slowly begin to modernize over time based off of life experiences.

My mom also not a lefty but so I don’t know what happened with me.

(12-13-2021 03:43 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

So, you decided to be student debt-free, but are ok with the government coming in and taking your earned income to pay the school debt of others who decided not to go the debt-free route?

Yes I am, I went to ECU which is a public and very affordable school compared to others. Even then I had to work full time for two years to save up the money to afford it and I’m still working nearly full time at college. I know other students at ECU who are 20k in debt. There’s been a massive propaganda effort to essentially tell kids from the time they’re in elementary to highschool that they have to goto college. Private colleges typically pitch the idea of going to your “dream school” when in reality they’re just tricking you into getting yourself in loads of debt.

Every year a massive number of high school graduates sign themselves up for decades of debt without realizing the consequences. So yes I would be happy to help chip into to help pay off their debt.

wachu gonna do when % overwhelms sustainable living?!

shoot in a barrel?!

#soylent

(12-13-2021 03:46 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:16 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

Ha, no need to explain! Our political perspectives are formed by our parents mostly at a younger age, then you slowly begin to modernize over time based off of life experiences.

My mom also not a lefty but so I don’t know what happened with me.

she was a hooker?!

why are you guys allowing yourselves to be baited by a TEENAGER?

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

In one of my posts above I said let them do what they want.

We can still laugh at them for being communistic and idiotic.

Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Where were you indoctrinated?

(12-13-2021 04:13 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  why are you guys allowing yourselves to be baited by a TEENAGER?

ain’t no allowing … fk’n with sig line 4 is an entire other anomaly…

last time I checked this board, 81mm is now the standard according to thou…

never ignore - never allow

(12-13-2021 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  In one of my posts above I said let them do what they want.

We can still laugh at them for being communistic and idiotic.

Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

So, you decided to be student debt-free, but are ok with the government coming in and taking your earned income to pay the school debt of others who decided not to go the debt-free route?

And to double down on the dumb, this build back broke nonsense will have ALL of us that worked hard, forwent new cars, elaborate vacations etc. to send our kids to college so they could graduate debt-free paying for OTHER peoples kids to go to school "free" for the rest of our lives and my kids lives.

And CLT congrats on doing things the "right" way, I traveled much the same path as you did. So, guess what? You too will very shortly have the privilege of paying for some other peoples kids that bought the too big house, bought new import cars every three years and never dreampt of having precious get a job to go to college on your dime too! For the rest of your life. That sound fair?

(12-13-2021 03:27 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:23 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:13 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:57 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  This highlights the ridiculousness of the Texas law, which is terrible policy no matter where you stand on abortion. The Supreme Court may well overturn Roe vs. Wade using the current case from Mississippi, which stems from a law banning abortion after 15 weeks. That is a straightforward, logical challenge to current law although opinions will differ as to whether or not it should succeed. That is how the system should work when a state wants a law or court ruling overturned.

The Texas law promotes vigilantism and attempts to sidestep the state's enforcement of still unconstitutional (at this moment) anti-abortion laws by deputizing the public to do so via a civil court process. This is exactly what we told you would happen if the Texas law wasn't quickly struck down, blue states will copy it as a way to promote their policy agenda. Governor Newsom's proposal would be terrible policy as well. The Supreme Court still has not ruled on the merits of the Texas law, but they likely won't be able to avoid it forever and hopefully it and any copycats like this California proposal will be struck down 9-0.

The rule of law is essential to an orderly society and the law should be enforced by the state, not by private citizens exploiting a loophole cleverly crafted by a state legislature to sneakily avoid Supreme Court rulings. Whichever side you fall on in these policy debates, the solution is not vigilantism and pitting individuals more against each other than we already are.

You are 100 percent correct systematically speaking.

define systemic vs. law … last time I reviewed the def con, we’re now at manipulative, “One”…

fk the bs semantics…

It's a false equivalency (abortion vs guns), as the Texas law is preserving life while a any gun ban is literally unconstitutional, but Gamenole is right when he says that the Texas law not being forced by the State is a loophole that liberals will try to emulate on their platform.

That is the point I think we should all be able to find agreement on, whatever your stance on the constitutionality of gun & abortion rights. We are likely on totally opposing sides of those issues, but I think we would both agree that we don't want our constitutionally protected rights restricted by the state legislature creating a cause of action for anybody on the street to have a chance to get $10,000 if they sue us for exercising those rights.

It's that private right of action created by Texas that is the problem and if that is allowed to stand conservatives are likely to get the worst of it when we're done. You've already seen what Governor Newsom is proposing on guns, environmental laws are probably next and perhaps we'll also see blue states give private citizens the right to sue others for not following lockdown, mask or vaccine mandates.

I rather like those ideas, but none of that should be allowed to happen. Only the state should be enforcing the law, and if we don't like it we vote in new leaders who make new laws, appoint new judges, etc. That's what Mississippi has done through their elected legislature, passed a law that challenges current Supreme Court precedent regarding abortion. The lower courts have properly prevented that law from taking effect because it contradicts current Supreme Court precedent, and now the Supreme Court has heard the case and will rule on it by summer. Quite possibly they will rule in Mississippi's favor allowing the state to prohibit abortion after 15 weeks and possibly overturning Roe vs. Wade altogether.

I hope they are unsuccessful, but whatever the outcome Mississippi has done it the right way through the legislature and the courts instead of pitting citizens against one other. We don't need any help with that, we've got plenty of conflict and litigation already without providing a cash incentive for individuals to stir the pot on controversial issues.

(12-13-2021 01:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

Because eventually the rest of us will have to save their stupid asses. It will cost the rest of us a lot of money we don’t want to give to the idiots or a lot of patriots will have to die to do it. One or the other WILL happen.

Since you seem to be a southern miss fan I don’t think you have to worry about Mississippi bailing out California. Mississippi is one of the largest recipients of federal money to their budget compared to the federal taxes paid in from residents. MS takes in $20B more in federal funding than is paid in taxes from MS, while CA pays $6B more than they get back.

The rest of us are giving money to to MS, AL, LA that we don’t want to right now. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps already.

(12-13-2021 04:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

So, you decided to be student debt-free, but are ok with the government coming in and taking your earned income to pay the school debt of others who decided not to go the debt-free route?

And to double down on the dumb, this build back broke nonsense will have ALL of us that worked hard, forwent new cars, elaborate vacations etc. to send our kids to college so they could graduate debt-free paying for OTHER peoples kids to go to school "free" for the rest of our lives and my kids lives.

And CLT congrats on doing things the "right" way, I traveled much the same path as you did. So, guess what? You too will very shortly have the privilege of paying for some other peoples kids that bought the too big house, bought new import cars every three years and never dreampt of having precious get a job to go to college on your dime too! For the rest of your life. That sound fair?

The version passed by the house never had student load forgiveness in it, and free community college was removed before it was passed.

So what exactly in that bill will have you paying for other peoples kids?

(12-13-2021 06:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

Because eventually the rest of us will have to save their stupid asses. It will cost the rest of us a lot of money we don’t want to give to the idiots or a lot of patriots will have to die to do it. One or the other WILL happen.

Since you seem to be a southern miss fan I don’t think you have to worry about Mississippi bailing out California. Mississippi is one of the largest recipients of federal money to their budget compared to the federal taxes paid in from residents. MS takes in $20B more in federal funding than is paid in taxes from MS, while CA pays $6B more than they get back.

The rest of us are giving money to to MS, AL, LA that we don’t want to right now. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps already.

It’s a near perfect example of how dumb the federal government is at managing money. Only a lib would complain about how bad the federal government is at managing money yet want even more control sent to them.

Factor in cost of living in the south and child tax credits which are driving forces in the “disparity.”

(12-13-2021 06:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

Because eventually the rest of us will have to save their stupid asses. It will cost the rest of us a lot of money we don’t want to give to the idiots or a lot of patriots will have to die to do it. One or the other WILL happen.

Since you seem to be a southern miss fan I don’t think you have to worry about Mississippi bailing out California. Mississippi is one of the largest recipients of federal money to their budget compared to the federal taxes paid in from residents. MS takes in $20B more in federal funding than is paid in taxes from MS, while CA pays $6B more than they get back.

The rest of us are giving money to to MS, AL, LA that we don’t want to right now. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps already.

Literally the go to for leftists



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(12-13-2021 07:24 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 06:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

Because eventually the rest of us will have to save their stupid asses. It will cost the rest of us a lot of money we don’t want to give to the idiots or a lot of patriots will have to die to do it. One or the other WILL happen.

Since you seem to be a southern miss fan I don’t think you have to worry about Mississippi bailing out California. Mississippi is one of the largest recipients of federal money to their budget compared to the federal taxes paid in from residents. MS takes in $20B more in federal funding than is paid in taxes from MS, while CA pays $6B more than they get back.

The rest of us are giving money to to MS, AL, LA that we don’t want to right now. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps already.

It’s a near perfect example of how dumb the federal government is at managing money. Only a lib would complain about how bad the federal government is at managing money yet want even more control sent to them.

Factor in cost of living in the south and child tax credits which are driving forces in the “disparity.”

(12-13-2021 04:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:33 AM)CLTPirate Wrote:  If you guys hate California so much why are you concerned with how they govern themselves?

In one of my posts above I said let them do what they want.

We can still laugh at them for being communistic and idiotic.

Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Where were you indoctrinated?

Just wait until he has a family and supporting them becomes a priority....

Just you wait, ton o bricks

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(12-13-2021 06:17 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Since you seem to be a southern miss fan I don’t think you have to worry about Mississippi bailing out California. Mississippi is one of the largest recipients of federal money to their budget compared to the federal taxes paid in from residents. MS takes in $20B more in federal funding than is paid in taxes from MS, while CA pays $6B more than they get back.
The rest of us are giving money to to MS, AL, LA that we don’t want to right now. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps already.

This is of the great misconceptions that the left keeps perpetrating. If you look at the actual methodologies and assumptions behind the studies that purport to show this, you will find that really isn't what they say.

(12-13-2021 10:58 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 10:04 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Cars kill more than guns.

When are they going to outlaw cars?

See the stupidity?

You will likely lose the right to drive your own car by the middle of the century. It will drive itself and the justification will be the death toll.

It can't happen soon enough.

(12-13-2021 11:28 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 10:58 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(12-12-2021 10:04 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Cars kill more than guns.

When are they going to outlaw cars?

See the stupidity?

You will likely lose the right to drive your own car by the middle of the century. It will drive itself and the justification will be the death toll.

It can't happen soon enough.

Have you already given up your automotive transportation voluntarily?

(12-13-2021 03:43 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:14 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 03:07 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 01:03 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 12:54 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  Considering the fact that a large percentage of millionaires and billionaires live in California it seems unlikely it’s anywhere close to communism. Which is a government system that sees the wealthy stripped of their possessions and given back to working class.

Are you still in college?

Yeah but if it makes you feel any better I was a lefty way before I went to ECU. I had to work full time and goto community college to save up to goto university because I didn’t want any student debt. So I brought my leftiness to ECU.

So, you decided to be student debt-free, but are ok with the government coming in and taking your earned income to pay the school debt of others who decided not to go the debt-free route?

Yes I am, I went to ECU which is a public and very affordable school compared to others. Even then I had to work full time for two years to save up the money to afford it and I’m still working nearly full time at college. I know other students at ECU who are 20k in debt. There’s been a massive propaganda effort to essentially tell kids from the time they’re in elementary to highschool that they have to goto college. Private colleges typically pitch the idea of going to your “dream school” when in reality they’re just tricking you into getting yourself in loads of debt.

Every year a massive number of high school graduates sign themselves up for decades of debt without realizing the consequences. So yes I would be happy to help chip into to help pay off their debt.

Why don’t you start now? I’m sure you could find one of these students you speak of who would surely welcome a nice little hundy a month. Maybe even demand two after a couple is months. Go ahead. Who’s stopping you?