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(11-22-2021 08:06 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 03:37 PM)doss2 Wrote:  How high can UC go to keep Fick? Currently and after in B12?

UC needs to bump his salary now. The money is out there. Get it done!

I'd be stunned if UC hasn't been working on it and trying to. The other party has to be ready to move. Until last week I'd have thought 6 million per would be more than enough. The market changed drastically last week. Even if Luke intends to stay there is a reason him waiting to resign made a ton of sense.

(11-22-2021 08:44 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 08:06 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 03:37 PM)doss2 Wrote:  How high can UC go to keep Fick? Currently and after in B12?

UC needs to bump his salary now. The money is out there. Get it done!

I'd be stunned if UC hasn't been working on it and trying to. The other party has to be ready to move. Until last week I'd have thought 6 million per would be more than enough. The market changed drastically last week. Even if Luke intends to stay there is a reason him waiting to resign made a ton of sense.

I'd rather he re-sign. :)

(11-22-2021 08:44 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 08:06 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 03:37 PM)doss2 Wrote:  How high can UC go to keep Fick? Currently and after in B12?

UC needs to bump his salary now. The money is out there. Get it done!

I'd be stunned if UC hasn't been working on it and trying to. The other party has to be ready to move. Until last week I'd have thought 6 million per would be more than enough. The market changed drastically last week. Even if Luke intends to stay there is a reason him waiting to resign made a ton of sense.

Yep...I mean, it's just a value proposition at this point. Are all of the other factors (Amy, the program building, being in Ohio, etc.) going to push the conversation away from the $30M+ he will be leaving off the table by just getting a $5M/year extension here. That's just a tough ask, so I'm done worrying about all of this and just enjoying these last 3-4 games of the year.

(11-22-2021 08:44 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 08:06 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 03:37 PM)doss2 Wrote:  How high can UC go to keep Fick? Currently and after in B12?

UC needs to bump his salary now. The money is out there. Get it done!

I'd be stunned if UC hasn't been working on it and trying to. The other party has to be ready to move. Until last week I'd have thought 6 million per would be more than enough. The market changed drastically last week. Even if Luke intends to stay there is a reason him waiting to resign made a ton of sense.

Agreed with this but even if Fick isn't ready to move, hopefully they are at least putting something in front of him to make his decision very difficult to turn down. I don't expect UC to be in the $7-10M+ range. But I will be sorely disappointed if UC loses him because they weren't willing to go to $5 or $6M.

I am hoping Fickell turns into a UC legend and stays until after we build his statue.

If he leaves, then he was just a great employee I was always be grateful worked for UC for a few years.

But I am not going to let whether Fickell leaves/stays affect my enjoyment of this season one iota.

Now, I am hoping Fickell has the integrity he espouses and would not leave until after any bowl/playoff games are over. Even at only $4 million a year, we should expect a full season's work out of him.

(11-22-2021 06:36 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 02:22 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Sonny Dykes expected to be named TCU’s head coach on Tuesday: https://www.si.com/college/tcu/.amp/foot...h-football

I saw on Reddit that his contract is rumored to be in the $7 million per year range. If that is true, that’s just another indication that coaching salaries are out of control.

May not have to move as the campuses are about 40 miles apart.

$7 million considering his record is grossly overpaying.

Sonny's SMU start fast and fade:

2019 start 8-0 final 10-3
2020 start 5-0 final 7-3
2021 start 7-0 now 8-3 and Tulsa and a bowl TBD. Expect a tough game as Tulsa needs win to be bowl eligible.

The market has lost its mind. Dude gets fired from Cal, comes to the AAC and finishes 4th or 5th about every year and lives primarily on transfers which isn’t sustainable.

He’s not better than the guy they fired. Good luck.

Part of me wonders if this job is perfect for Luke Fickell. He can live a pretty low-key life here. He is the type of guy who'd rather be coaching his guy,s watching film, prepping, etc plus spending time with his family. He basically has 1-2 obligations outside coaching and that is to do 1 20 minute session with the media on Tuesdays and the one hour coaches show on Thursday on Montgomery Inn. At a Florida, USC, LSU, Penn State, etc. in addition to those things he would certainly have some obligations to do commercials (TV & radio), show up at some retailer or at a convention center at random places across the state multiple times a year for an autograph session, have a big production televised coach's show aired and much more.

Of course $8-10M per can help one cope with all those additional issues.

(11-22-2021 02:22 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Sonny Dykes expected to be named TCU’s head coach on Tuesday: https://www.si.com/college/tcu/.amp/foot...h-football

I saw on Reddit that his contract is rumored to be in the $7 million per year range. If that is true, that’s just another indication that coaching salaries are out of control.

I wish they would impose some sort of restrictions on mid-season contacts and hiring. Dykes is under contract to SMU...the whole business is unseemly.

There are "dead periods" in recruiting. I wish there were "dead periods" in hiring.

(11-22-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am hoping Fickell turns into a UC legend and stays until after we build his statue.

If he leaves, then he was just a great employee I was always be grateful worked for UC for a few years.

But I am not going to let whether Fickell leaves/stays affect my enjoyment of this season one iota.

Now, I am hoping Fickell has the integrity he espouses and would not leave until after any bowl/playoff games are over. Even at only $4 million a year, we should expect a full season's work out of him.

He didn't leave Ohio St to start here until after their bowl game. I wouldn't expect anything different from him.

(11-22-2021 09:59 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am hoping Fickell turns into a UC legend and stays until after we build his statue.

If he leaves, then he was just a great employee I was always be grateful worked for UC for a few years.

But I am not going to let whether Fickell leaves/stays affect my enjoyment of this season one iota.

Now, I am hoping Fickell has the integrity he espouses and would not leave until after any bowl/playoff games are over. Even at only $4 million a year, we should expect a full season's work out of him.

He didn't leave Ohio St to start here until after their bowl game. I wouldn't expect anything different from him.

Well he also interviewed and accepted well before that bowl game. I'm not saying that as a criticism and I think it's different for a HC v. an assistant. But I think it's easy to see that would be a disaster to do in this situation.

Which, as Thamel points out in his recent article, puts us in a pretty nice position if we make the CFP and especially so if we make the Final. The big money programs aren't going to be able to wait that long on a guy who still might turn them down. I think the early signing period starts on Dec. 15.

The move to the B12 is undoubtedly great for UC, but you have to wonder if it just puts us back in the same place as we were in the BE with regard to FB coaches (along with WVU and Louisville): there's no stopping the big boys when they come calling for your coach.

(11-22-2021 01:40 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The move to the B12 is undoubtedly great for UC, but you have to wonder if it just puts us back in the same place as we were in the BE with regard to FB coaches (along with WVU and Louisville): there's no stopping the big boys when they come calling for your coach.

Of course it does.

The difference is that in the Big East, there were 4 football conferences above us. And in our conference, we were the clear 2nd lowest "program" football-wise.

Today in the Big 12, there's only 2 conferences that are really above us (and 2 others that we are peers with). And we've had 15 years of success thorough 5 coaches (even Tuberville was 29-22). So even though we're not at the highest level, we've definitely moved up the food chain.

(11-22-2021 11:03 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 09:59 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I am hoping Fickell turns into a UC legend and stays until after we build his statue.

If he leaves, then he was just a great employee I was always be grateful worked for UC for a few years.

But I am not going to let whether Fickell leaves/stays affect my enjoyment of this season one iota.

Now, I am hoping Fickell has the integrity he espouses and would not leave until after any bowl/playoff games are over. Even at only $4 million a year, we should expect a full season's work out of him.

He didn't leave Ohio St to start here until after their bowl game. I wouldn't expect anything different from him.

Well he also interviewed and accepted well before that bowl game. I'm not saying that as a criticism and I think it's different for a HC v. an assistant. But I think it's easy to see that would be a disaster to do in this situation.

Which, as Thamel points out in his recent article, puts us in a pretty nice position if we make the CFP and especially so if we make the Final. The big money programs aren't going to be able to wait that long on a guy who still might turn them down. I think the early signing period starts on Dec. 15.

It would be criminal of an AD not to have a coach lined up and hired before the early signing period.

(11-22-2021 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-22-2021 01:40 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The move to the B12 is undoubtedly great for UC, but you have to wonder if it just puts us back in the same place as we were in the BE with regard to FB coaches (along with WVU and Louisville): there's no stopping the big boys when they come calling for your coach.

Of course it does.

The difference is that in the Big East, there were 4 football conferences above us. And in our conference, we were the clear 2nd lowest "program" football-wise.

Today in the Big 12, there's only 2 conferences that are really above us (and 2 others that we are peers with). And we've had 15 years of success thorough 5 coaches (even Tuberville was 29-22). So even though we're not at the highest level, we've definitely moved up the food chain.

Big East was a clear conference number 6 about 15 years ago. Big XII will be no worse than five new potentially as good as 3 or 4 every year. Also the number of elite programs in growing smaller.

Florida, Florida State, Miami, Tennessee, Texas, Nebraska, USC, Penn State, and Auburn have lost a lot in terms of reputation over the years.

Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and Oklahoma are the only elite programs. Michigan and Notre Dame are still legacy elites and that is about it. Oregon is new money. Everyone else UC can compete with on and off the field.

(11-22-2021 01:40 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The move to the B12 is undoubtedly great for UC, but you have to wonder if it just puts us back in the same place as we were in the BE with regard to FB coaches (along with WVU and Louisville): there's no stopping the big boys when they come calling for your coach.

This is not a Cincinnati only problem. Oklahoma is worried about losing their coach to LSU. Notre Dame might lose their coach to USC. Clemson could eventually lose their coach to Alabama. No one is safe.

The Big 12 is going to be damn good IF the hot coaches stay. That's really my only fear in terms of the Big 12's future. If Fickell, Campbell, Aranda, Sitake, Klieman, etc. stick around, I think the Big 12 will establish itself as the clear #3 conference. The Pac-12 basically has two good programs right now in Oregon and Utah, and this will be 6 straight years of missing the CFP for the league according to an article I read yesterday. Clemson will be back, and I do think programs like Wake Forest, NC State, and Pitt can continue to have some success. But as long as FSU, Miami, and Virginia Tech are down, the ACC isn't going to move the needle nationally. And Mack Brown will be retired in 2 or 3 years tops, so we'll see what happens to UNC after he leaves. UC, UCF, BYU, Houston, Iowa State (if Campbell stays), Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor with Kansas and Texas Tech hopefully on the rise -- that's a hell of a football conference.

I would be shocked if Kelly leaves ND any time soon. His answer after becoming the winningest coach there made him sound like he's extremely bitter about not winning a championship there.

Also, USC is a mess right now. It's not a top 5 job and people are crazy to think so. They barely have anyone coming to their games right now.

(11-22-2021 02:26 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I would be shocked if Kelly leaves ND any time soon. His answer after becoming the winningest coach there made him sound like he's extremely bitter about not winning a championship there.

Also, USC is a mess right now. It's not a top 5 job and people are crazy to think so. They barely have anyone coming to their games right now.

It wouldn't make sense to me either, but the noise is there.

Also I'm still not sold that you would leave Oklahoma to go to LSU.

I have long thought schools should be forbidden from contacting directly or via a coach's agent until the coach's team's season has ended including bowls. Adjust the signing period to start after bowl season has ended.

Violations should be subject to severe penalties including loss of scholarships, bowl eligibility, etc. Any coach who engages in such discussion should also be penalized severely.

Kelly might consider it for a lot of the same reasons Mick headed west. Massive pay increase. Unlimited budget and top facilities. The PAC12 is ripe for the picking. Crazy recruiting turf. And he might just be getting worn out by the ND administration and fans after 12 years. Might also be ready to live in a real city again. South Bend is an armpit outside of campus.