(10-26-2021 09:41 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Any teams would have to apply to change subdivisions no later than June 1, 2022 to be postseaon eligible for the 2024 season. For the 2022 season they would still count as a FCS opponent, and for 2023 and late they count as FBS. Since C-USA has two years' Grace to get back into compliance, June 1, 2023 is the final application deadline to get back to eight FBS members in time for the 2025 season.

Thank you!

Haun, you may want to check my post above. There are incorrect statements. Let's use JMU. if they join the Sun Belt in 2023, they are considered FBS. However, they are next to last choice for bowls. They get chosen if the have the required 5 FBS and 1 FCS wins. The will be selected before APR 5-7 teams.

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

(10-26-2021 10:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:41 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Any teams would have to apply to change subdivisions no later than June 1, 2022 to be postseaon eligible for the 2024 season. For the 2022 season they would still count as a FCS opponent, and for 2023 and late they count as FBS. Since C-USA has two years' Grace to get back into compliance, June 1, 2023 is the final application deadline to get back to eight FBS members in time for the 2025 season.

Thank you!

Haun, you may want to check my post above. There are incorrect statements. Let's use JMU. if they join the Sun Belt in 2023, they are considered FBS. However, they are next to last choice for bowls. They get chosen if the have the required 5 FBS and 1 FCS wins. The will be selected before APR 5-7 teams.

Noted and thank you.

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Wow - that should come as terrific news to CUSA fans who are concerned about not being able to afford more than 2 or 3 long-distance flights per season with little or no broadcasting revenue.

True, they could go with a 7-9 game round robin, but with teams scattered from Florida to New Mexico to North Dakota (or even Montana), the option to limit the number of required conference games to a small handful of intra-divisional contests could make it possible to survive as a conference through the first few years, at least.

Moreover, conference championship games are good for visibility, and they tend to generate much-needed revenue.

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

questions: How many conference games must be played by a full member for a conference with 8 full members without divisions? With two divisions?

(10-26-2021 10:20 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

(10-26-2021 10:38 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

Agree. It would be good for the dakotas and CUSA.

(10-26-2021 10:31 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:49 AM)3BNole Wrote:  Assuming MTSU and WKU stick around, I think the smartest move is to add 7 teams to get to 12. This does two very important things: the first is that it allows for divisional play which is extremely important when you’re talking about a geographically diverse league. The second is that it provides some safety in the event the MAC comes calling or the MWC or whoever.

The most obvious addition is NMSU. They’re already FBS and have a strong basketball program. Their proximity and rivalry with UTEP also makes them a no brainer and the two of them can serve as travel partners.

I’m leaving Liberty off of this list because I just really don’t see them joining. They have the resources to continue independence and are doing well for themselves. Short of the AAC calling or a power league, I don’t see them joining a conference right now.

That gets us to 6 and now we get into FCS territory. Again, they need at least 2 callups to get to 8, but I think 12 is the wiser move. As far as specific schools go, I would strongly look into Kennesaw State, Jacksonville State, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, Central Arkansas, Sam Houston State, Stephen F Austin, and Lamar as potential adds. As for which 6, it mostly depends on which are willing to move and perhaps some internal politics. For example, would WKU want EKU?

You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

questions: How many conference games must be played by a full member for a conference with 8 full members without divisions? With two divisions?

With 8 full members, it would be 7--a full round-robin schedule. With split divisions of 4 each, the answer is actually 3--a complete round-robin within the division. The NCAA does not require a minimum number of conference games or cross-divisional matches other than a 2-division championship game (for a league with divisions) where the two highest ranked teams in each division meet

(10-26-2021 10:52 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:31 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

questions: How many conference games must be played by a full member for a conference with 8 full members without divisions? With two divisions?

With 8 full members, it would be 7--a full round-robin schedule. With split divisions of 4 each, the answer is actually 3--a complete round-robin within the division. The NCAA does not require a minimum number of conference games or cross-divisional matches other than a 2-division championship game (for a league with divisions) where the two highest ranked teams in each division meet

wow!

(10-26-2021 10:54 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:52 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:31 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

questions: How many conference games must be played by a full member for a conference with 8 full members without divisions? With two divisions?

With 8 full members, it would be 7--a full round-robin schedule. With split divisions of 4 each, the answer is actually 3--a complete round-robin within the division. The NCAA does not require a minimum number of conference games or cross-divisional matches other than a 2-division championship game (for a league with divisions) where the two highest ranked teams in each division meet

wow!

The regulation is Bylaw 17.11.6.2.1 Part (b).

FCS still requires 12 teams to split divisions for football, but the FBS (for leagues that want divisions) only requires "two divisions (as equally balanced in number as possible)."

Figure 20-1 on p 427 of the August 1, 2021 recently revised version of the manual lays out all the sport requirements for Division 1.

The manual can be viewed online here.

(10-26-2021 08:48 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:45 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:56 PM)Illini1968 Wrote:  Why in the world would MTSU want to be in a conference with the Dakota schools??? No chance that happens

Exactly! Imagine the travel budgets! The four Dakota Schools can join Montana, Montana State, Idaho and Idaho State and make their own FBS conference that would make much more sense!

Arkansas State doesn't want to get their arse kicked by the Bison in a bowl game, and they REALLY don't want Conference USA to be successful by adding them.

It makes more sense for the four Dakota schools to align with Montana, Montana State, Idaho, and Idaho State for an FBS conference. Add Weber State and Northern Colorado to go to 10.

From Missoula, Montana to Fargo, North Dakota (NDSU) is a 12 hour, 45 minute trip. From Missoula, Montana to Portland, Oregon (Portland State), it is 8 hours. It takes 16 hours and 30 minutes to get from Fargo to Moscow, Idaho (U of Idaho). It takes 14 hours to get from Fargo to Pocatello, Idaho (Idaho State). It takes 15 hours, 32 minutes to get from Fargo to Bowling Green, Kentucky (WKU). It takes 8 hours and 8 minutes from Fargo to Billings, Montana (the closest of the Montana schools to get to.). It takes
10 hours and 43 minutes to get from Fargo to Springfield, MO (Missouri State). From Fargo to Normal, Illinois (Illinois State) is nine hours and 43 minutes.

As far as markets go, unless you go online, you cannot listen to a Bobcats or a Grizzlies game in North Dakota. NDSU does broadcast its football games in Minnesota, in addition to North Dakota, but that's it!! Same thing with North Dakota. South Dakota broadcasts only out to South Dakota, and that is it. Same thing with South Dakota State.

Plus, North Dakota was in the Big Sky before, and when North Dakota decided to leave, the Big Sky made no attempt to try to change the president of North Dakota's mind. In fact, I believe they encouraged it!!!

(10-26-2021 10:38 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:20 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 11:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You dont need 12 if the goal is divisions. Any even number of members from 8 or above will allow for divisions under the revised CCG rules from 2016. For instance---at just 8 members, CUSA could divide into two 4-team divisions and have as few as 3 conference games (assuming each teams 3 game schedule consists of a full round robin within their 4-team division) to comply with the 2016 requirements for a CCG.

So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

Milwaukee and All4One, or David St Savant?

NDSU gear will not be selling like hot cakes because they’re playing Tuesday night on Facebook live.

(10-26-2021 10:54 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:52 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:31 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

questions: How many conference games must be played by a full member for a conference with 8 full members without divisions? With two divisions?

With 8 full members, it would be 7--a full round-robin schedule. With split divisions of 4 each, the answer is actually 3--a complete round-robin within the division. The NCAA does not require a minimum number of conference games or cross-divisional matches other than a 2-division championship game (for a league with divisions) where the two highest ranked teams in each division meet

wow!

(10-27-2021 01:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:38 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:20 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

Milwaukee and All4One, or David St Savant?

NDSU gear will not be selling like hot cakes because they’re playing Tuesday night on Facebook live.

Well, they certainly have a better chance of scoring a home game against UNC-Crapel Hill as an FBS team than they do as an FCS team although Crapel Hill probably wouldn't draw many visitors. #10 in the nation in the preseason. Like there was any justification to rank Crapel Hill that high? North Dakota State would roll UNC-Crapel Hill this year.

(10-27-2021 01:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:48 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:45 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:54 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:56 PM)Illini1968 Wrote:  Why in the world would MTSU want to be in a conference with the Dakota schools??? No chance that happens

Exactly! Imagine the travel budgets! The four Dakota Schools can join Montana, Montana State, Idaho and Idaho State and make their own FBS conference that would make much more sense!

Arkansas State doesn't want to get their arse kicked by the Bison in a bowl game, and they REALLY don't want Conference USA to be successful by adding them.

It makes more sense for the four Dakota schools to align with Montana, Montana State, Idaho, and Idaho State for an FBS conference. Add Weber State and Northern Colorado to go to 10.

From Missoula, Montana to Fargo, North Dakota (NDSU) is a 12 hour, 45 minute trip. From Missoula, Montana to Portland, Oregon (Portland State), it is 8 hours. It takes 16 hours and 30 minutes to get from Fargo to Moscow, Idaho (U of Idaho). It takes 14 hours to get from Fargo to Pocatello, Idaho (Idaho State). It takes 15 hours, 32 minutes to get from Fargo to Bowling Green, Kentucky (WKU). It takes 8 hours and 8 minutes from Fargo to Billings, Montana (the closest of the Montana schools to get to.). It takes
10 hours and 43 minutes to get from Fargo to Springfield, MO (Missouri State). From Fargo to Normal, Illinois (Illinois State) is nine hours and 43 minutes.

As far as markets go, unless you go online, you cannot listen to a Bobcats or a Grizzlies game in North Dakota. NDSU does broadcast its football games in Minnesota, in addition to North Dakota, but that's it!! Same thing with North Dakota. South Dakota broadcasts only out to South Dakota, and that is it. Same thing with South Dakota State.

Plus, North Dakota was in the Big Sky before, and when North Dakota decided to leave, the Big Sky made no attempt to try to change the president of North Dakota's mind. In fact, I believe they encouraged it!!!

Yep. I initially thought that if CUSA moves north and west that it could bring in the Montana twins along with the Dakota pair, but after looking at a map I concluded that would be stretching the footprint too far. Better to make NDSU and SDSU the endpoints and try to fill in the middle with Illinois State and Missouri State and perhaps a non-football school or two (Omaha and/or UMKC would work).

(10-27-2021 01:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:38 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:20 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:57 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  So, for example, you're suggesting that the CUSA could have these 8 teams playing in East and West divisions, and that all they would have to do to qualify as an FBS conference and play a championship game would be to play each of the 3 other teams in their CUSA division?

Like this:

CUSA West: CUSA East: (8 full members)

LaTech..........MTSU
UTEP............WKU
NMSU............FIU
NDSU........... EKU

If I understand what you're saying, it's that, for example LaTech, UTEP, NMSU, and NDSU would all have to play each other, and that MTSU, WKU, FIU, and EKU would all have to play each other.

A championship game would be played between the champions of the two divisions, and the NCAA would recognize it as a FBS conference with an FBS championship team, even if there were no regular season cross-divisional games.

Is that the case, as you understand it? If so, that would be very interesting, and it might make it possible for an extremely far-flung conference to survive by playing 9 OOC games vs. nearby teams and only 3 conference games within their divisions.

I hope someone will respond to confirm or clarify. If it is true, the CUSA could probably find a way to survive even without the revenue that a national broadcasting agreement would provide to them.

.

Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

Milwaukee and All4One, or David St Savant?

NDSU gear will not be selling like hot cakes because they’re playing Tuesday night on Facebook live.

You know, only the real fans who don't list any school they are a fan of

(10-26-2021 10:00 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:41 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 09:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Any teams would have to apply to change subdivisions no later than June 1, 2022 to be postseaon eligible for the 2024 season. For the 2022 season they would still count as a FCS opponent, and for 2023 and late they count as FBS. Since C-USA has two years' Grace to get back into compliance, June 1, 2023 is the final application deadline to get back to eight FBS members in time for the 2025 season.

Thank you!

Haun, you may want to check my post above. There are incorrect statements. Let's use JMU. if they join the Sun Belt in 2023, they are considered FBS. However, they are next to last choice for bowls. They get chosen if the have the required 5 FBS and 1 FCS wins. The will be selected before APR 5-7 teams.

Nothing we said actually contradicts each other. A team in transition is technically not postseason eligible unless if there is a shortage of 6+ win teams among active FBS members. This will be unlikely given the number of teams C-USA would have to bring online at once, and that it would take a couple of years for the rolling average number of bowl eligible teams to allow the creation of additional bowls.

(10-27-2021 04:37 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(10-27-2021 01:20 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:38 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:20 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:05 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Correct, in addition, they are not required a Championship Game. Much like B12 did the first year of the CFP. The conference can chose the champion if all teams play each other with 8-9 teams.With ten teams they would need a nine games conference schedule. Or do what the Sun Belt did with Divisions and then have a CCG. Many assume a CCG is required, it really is not until you pass 10 teams.

Alot of people also assume you must have at least 10 teams sponsoring a given sport to host a conference championship game in split divisions, which also isn't true. It's that false assumption that is encouraging people to include woeful UConn and UMass as football-only members in their projected versions of Conference USA.

The league shouldn't be adding programs like that, which add no value. I want North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and Missouri State as full members in Conference USA tonight!!

You aren't alone in wanting to see the Dakota schools playing in the FBS.

For whatever the reason(s), a huge pent-up demand to see schools like NDSU playing on national TV has been created.

A lot of American college fb fans like to root for the underdog and love to see the FCS schools succeeding. The Dakotas have been ignored for too long, and they deserve to have a place in the sun.

It would not be surprising to see the Dakota schools become the darlings of college football in their first FBS season. I could foresee NDSU and SDSU gear selling like hotcakes - - no exaggeration.

Call it hysteria, but those might be the two highest-viewership teams on CUSA 4.0 for the first few years. I know that when they do join FBS, I will definitely be rooting for them!

Milwaukee and All4One, or David St Savant?

NDSU gear will not be selling like hot cakes because they’re playing Tuesday night on Facebook live.

You know, only the real fans who don't list any school they are a fan of

Did I wrong you in another life, buddy?

I think that they treat FIU like UTEP would have been treated if the East Coast Conference came to be. They will be allowed a spot but will be encouraged to move on and will not be given any geographically friendly conference mates.

Adds of NDSU, SDSU, UNI, and NMSU actually don't look that bad geographically if you disregard the FIU outlier. I just don't know if they can get NMSU to jump if you don't add a number of southwest/texas teams.