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(10-25-2021 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What do you guys think they will talk about?

Agenda items:
1. What color uniform should the football team wear next?
2. New uses for the maglev
3. Why are the donuts stale?

(10-25-2021 10:43 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:21 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  What do you guys think they will talk about?

Agenda items:
1. What color uniform should the football team wear next?
2. New uses for the maglev
3. Why are the donuts stale?

See Aramark even screws the BOV!

I attended the first ODU football game in 09 as a student.
I fell in love with ODU football.
I fell in love with ODU basketball.
I graduated in 2012.
I have had season tickets since 2017.
I have read the old CAA board and this board for a long time without posting a single thing...until now.

I am ABSOLUTELY thrilled with the SBC move! I love moving over with Marshall. I love having JMU back. I love being with App and Coastal for football. I think we can win the conference in basketball fairly consistently.

IT IS A GREAT DAY TIME TO BE A MONARCH!!!! Lets get rolling.

(10-25-2021 10:49 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  I attended the first ODU football game in 09 as a student.
I fell in love with ODU football.
I fell in love with ODU basketball.
I graduated in 2012.
I have had season tickets since 2017.
I have read the old CAA board and this board for a long time without posting a single thing...until now.

I am ABSOLUTELY thrilled with the SBC move! I love moving over with Marshall. I love having JMU back. I love being with App and Coastal for football. I think we can win the conference in basketball fairly consistently.

IT IS A GREAT DAY TIME TO BE A MONARCH!!!! Lets get rolling.

Welcome to the board. It is a great day to be a Monarch.

Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

(10-25-2021 10:49 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  I attended the first ODU football game in 09 as a student.
I fell in love with ODU football.
I fell in love with ODU basketball.
I graduated in 2012.
I have had season tickets since 2017.
I have read the old CAA board and this board for a long time without posting a single thing...until now.

I am ABSOLUTELY thrilled with the SBC move! I love moving over with Marshall. I love having JMU back. I love being with App and Coastal for football. I think we can win the conference in basketball fairly consistently.

IT IS A GREAT DAY TIME TO BE A MONARCH!!!! Lets get rolling.

Welcome!

(10-25-2021 10:49 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  I attended the first ODU football game in 09 as a student.
I fell in love with ODU football.
I fell in love with ODU basketball.
I graduated in 2012.
I have had season tickets since 2017.
I have read the old CAA board and this board for a long time without posting a single thing...until now.

I am ABSOLUTELY thrilled with the SBC move! I love moving over with Marshall. I love having JMU back. I love being with App and Coastal for football. I think we can win the conference in basketball fairly consistently.

IT IS A GREAT DAY TIME TO BE A MONARCH!!!! Lets get rolling.

I'll drink to that! CHEERS!

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

(10-26-2021 10:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

I had a similar thought yesterday, I think ultimately this will be a boost for us. I could see us coming in and having early success, getting to the tournament which brings in better recruits. Long term I see the tide rising for all SBC basketball teams.

Regarding TV, are all of the SBC basketball games on ESPN3? If so that's a huge win.

(10-26-2021 10:34 AM)ODU12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

I had a similar thought yesterday, I think ultimately this will be a boost for us. I could see us coming in and having early success, getting to the tournament which brings in better recruits. Long term I see the tide rising for all SBC basketball teams.

Regarding TV, are all of the SBC basketball games on ESPN3? If so that's a huge win.

I believe they are on ESPN+ for all games and then select games and tournament are on ESPN/2/U while CUSA had ESPN+ but select games were on stadium, Facebook, and CBS sports network.

Won't see much difference in TV. Will be mostly streaming. MASN/CSN may pick up the JMU games, if allowed. Not sure how that works.

(10-26-2021 10:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

That CUSA brought MBB down is largely a myth.
For some posters on this board, expectations are higher than warranted and so is the entitlement.
See for yourself;

Tom Young 1985-1991 (SBC) 90-87 (508) in 6 seasons with 2 post season appearances two losing seasons
Oliver Purnell 1991-1994 (CAA) 57-23 (715) in three seasons with 3 post season appearances all three winning seasons
Jeff Capel 1994-2001(CAA) went 122-98 (554) with 3 post season appearances in 7 years, including 3 losing seasons.
Blaine Taylor 2001-2013 (CAA) 242-149 (618) in 11 years with 8 post season appearances, including 3 losing seasons.
JJ 2013-present (CUSA 130-75 (634) in 7 seasons with 4 post season appearances and no losing seasons.

We have advanced in the NCAAT three times; 1986, 1995, and 2010. We have never gone past the second round for total NCAAT w/l of 3-12

I DO think that the incrreased television availability in the SBC will help with MBB recruiting going forward.

(10-26-2021 11:23 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

That CUSA brought MBB down is largely a myth.
For some posters on this board, expectations are higher than warranted and so is the entitlement.
See for yourself;

Tom Young 1985-1991 (SBC) 90-87 (508) in 6 seasons with 2 post season appearances two losing seasons
Oliver Purnell 1991-1994 (CAA) 57-23 (715) in three seasons with 3 post season appearances all three winning seasons
Jeff Capel 1994-2001(CAA) went 122-98 (554) with 3 post season appearances in 7 years, including 3 losing seasons.
Blaine Taylor 2001-2013 (CAA) 242-149 (618) in 11 years with 8 post season appearances, including 3 losing seasons.
JJ 2013-present (CUSA 130-75 (634) in 7 seasons with 4 post season appearances and no losing seasons.

We have advanced in the NCAAT three times; 1986, 1995, and 2010. We have never gone past the second round for total NCAAT w/l of 3-12

I DO think that the incrreased television availability in the SBC will help with MBB recruiting going forward.

Your data is a bit skewed as there are more tournament opportunities in the last decade. Are we counting Las Vegas 7 and whatever tournament Blaine Taylor won back in the day?

I posted the NCAAT stat as it was addressed in previous posts. I also posted all post season play. I can specify those if you like .

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Our win percentage was about the same in CUSA, but we were winning against worse competition and getting fewer NCAA bids. So yes, we did drop to CUSA level. SB basketball is significantly worse than CUSA, so I would hope for better than winning 65% and an NCAA bid every 7 years or so. But if we drop to SB level, thats what we will get. If we maintain, we should be winning 80% of our SB games and winning a conference championship every 3 years or so. Id be happy with that, but I suspect we will eventually fall to SB level.

When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

(10-26-2021 01:31 PM)monarx Wrote:  Our win percentage was about the same in CUSA, but we were winning against worse competition and getting fewer NCAA bids. So yes, we did drop to CUSA level. SB basketball is significantly worse than CUSA, so I would hope for better than winning 65% and an NCAA bid every 7 years or so. But if we drop to SB level, thats what we will get. If we maintain, we should be winning 80% of our SB games and winning a conference championship every 3 years or so. Id be happy with that, but I suspect we will eventually fall to SB level.

That's correct. A 23-7 record got us top 30 RPI rankings at the height of the CAA. The same type of record in CUSA had us hovering around 100 in CUSA. The positive is it hasn't completely crashed and maintains a decent reputation (the Sunbelt fans seem exited the program is joining to strengthen basketball). Another positive is with a regional setup, there is some hope some rivalries and close travel could elevate the Sunbelt to a CAA-like situation over time (minus the conference tournament benefit). I want to be as optimistic as possible, but I cannot stretch to this claim that the program hasn't dropped significantly. That just isn't the case. Plenty of YouTube videos out there of those teams. Not a single person can watch one and tell me with a straight face we fielded any teams on that stratosphere while we were in CUSA.

The Belt seems serious about stealing that Top of G5 status, and it seems consensus that basketball is a necessary piece of the endeavor.

I think it will work out in the end

(10-26-2021 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

It wasn’t just VCU and Mason, it was ODU too. And when they left we were on exactly equal stature. That isn’t the case any more.