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(10-26-2021 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:34 AM)ODU12 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 10:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2021 10:53 AM)monarx Wrote:  Its great for football. It could be fine for basketball too, we just cant let our program drop to Sun Belt level. GSU has stayed good fairly consistently, so I am thinking the two of us will have a lot of good battles. Marshall, USA and JMU can have good teams on occasion as well.

The philosophical question of the day: did the basketball program drop to CUSA level after leaving CAA? I think I saw somewhere that JJ has a .750 ish winning percentage in conference play. I know we measure everything by titles but I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be the same if not better in SBC now that we will be on real TV again.

I had a similar thought yesterday, I think ultimately this will be a boost for us. I could see us coming in and having early success, getting to the tournament which brings in better recruits. Long term I see the tide rising for all SBC basketball teams.

Regarding TV, are all of the SBC basketball games on ESPN3? If so that's a huge win.

I believe they are on ESPN+ for all games and then select games and tournament are on ESPN/2/U while CUSA had ESPN+ but select games were on stadium, Facebook, and CBS sports network.

If you look back at last year, the SBC Men's Basketball Championship game was on ESPN2. All other rounds were on ESPN+. 2019 was the same way.

You would hope that the tourney semifinal round games would move to an ESPN network channel eventually. The problem is its such a crowded broadcast schedule that time of the year.

(10-26-2021 02:46 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

It wasn’t just VCU and Mason, it was ODU too. And when they left we were on exactly equal stature. That isn’t the case any more.

What?
Mason overall maybe. But in later history they had a FF and were 5-6 in the NCAAT when they left.
VCU, no way. We were 3-11 in the NCAAT while in the CAA. Before they left, VCU was 11-11 with multiple 1st round wins and a FF.

The recent FFs alone elevated both to a higher stature, hence the A10 invites.

We also had bracket busters back in the day. Used to improve our RPI. I loved BB, but I don’t think we would qualify now.

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

True. But what is more likely to happen is we don't dominate and blame it on what is happening in Lafayette, Boone, Hattiesburg, San Marcos, etc. Bottom line is ODU's performance has nothing to do with those other schools. We either are a better program or we're not--just like it was in CUSA despite all the excuses from posters. If you're dominating, there's no question. If you're winning more than others--there's probably a good argument. But if you're fourth,third or second most years--you're probably where you belong level wise.

(10-26-2021 04:19 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

True. But what is more likely to happen is we don't dominate and blame it on what is happening in Lafayette, Boone, Hattiesburg, San Marcos, etc. Bottom line is ODU's performance has nothing to do with those other schools. We either are a better program or we're not--just like it was in CUSA despite all the excuses from posters. If you're dominating, there's no question. If you're winning more than others--there's probably a good argument. But if you're fourth,third or second most years--you're probably where you belong level wise.

Well put.

(10-26-2021 04:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 04:19 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

True. But what is more likely to happen is we don't dominate and blame it on what is happening in Lafayette, Boone, Hattiesburg, San Marcos, etc. Bottom line is ODU's performance has nothing to do with those other schools. We either are a better program or we're not--just like it was in CUSA despite all the excuses from posters. If you're dominating, there's no question. If you're winning more than others--there's probably a good argument. But if you're fourth,third or second most years--you're probably where you belong level wise.

Well put.

Absolutely...win in the league you're in, simple as that. We left a "transitioning to a 1-bid league" in the CAA into a "better, but predominantly 1-bid league" in CUSA. SB is no different. With the current landscape, SB is the best option for ODU. Losing 6 schools to AAC, and Southern Miss was already out, with Marshall was right behind them. ODU looked to see which schools could come to CUSA, but certain schools have issues with anything resembling Liberty. The result turn into a significant downgrade in the CUSA moving forward. I'm not completely excited about the SB transition when looking at the conference rosters in the pre-2020 seasons. However, looking at who is in which conference moving forward, ODU chose the best of the options available. That being said, ODU FB will absolutely need to prove themselves within 2 seasons, otherwise ODU will be way down on the list when the next wave of alignment/media deals/etc. comes our way.

The formula is pretty simple for basketball, just win your league consistently and eventually make some noise in the NCAA tournament. If you do that, good things will follow. It's what Butler did, it's what Gonzaga is doing, and to a lessor extent, the sheep breeders up in Richmond.

Like Al Davis used to say, "Just win, baby!"

So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

(10-26-2021 06:09 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

The OOC schedule is set with Virginia Tech, ECU, UVA and Liberty. As we will still be a member of C-USA, I am pretty sure we will play a full conference schedule with six games against our East Division foes and two games against a couple of West Division teams.

(10-26-2021 06:09 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

So far it doesn't look like we will play in the SBC untill 2023, so unless CUSA boots us out beforehand, 2022 will be CUSA business as usual.
That could all change after tomorrow, when it seems that we will make the announcement.

If you all are that much better at basketball, win the conference and force everyone to step it up. It's something you all are going to have to do in football, it's something other programs are going to do in basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, and any other number of sports.

(10-26-2021 06:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:09 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

So far it doesn't look like we will play in the SBC untill 2023, so unless CUSA boots us out beforehand, 2022 will be CUSA business as usual.
That could all change after tomorrow, when it seems that we will make the announcement.

I'm sure you remember we went through the same thing leaving the CAA, and even though we had the best record that year, the CAA would not let us be the conference champion. I still get P. O.ed thinking about it.

(10-26-2021 07:30 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:09 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

So far it doesn't look like we will play in the SBC untill 2023, so unless CUSA boots us out beforehand, 2022 will be CUSA business as usual.
That could all change after tomorrow, when it seems that we will make the announcement.

I'm sure you remember we went through the same thing leaving the CAA, and even though we had the best record that year, the CAA would not let us be the conference champion. I still get P. O.ed thinking about it.

The only game I have attended at JMU was that one where ODU won the defacto Championship. Some of our players held up hand written signs with "ODU CAA Champs." It was a great moment!

(10-26-2021 03:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:46 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

It wasn’t just VCU and Mason, it was ODU too. And when they left we were on exactly equal stature. That isn’t the case any more.

What?
Mason overall maybe. But in later history they had a FF and were 5-6 in the NCAAT when they left.
VCU, no way. We were 3-11 in the NCAAT while in the CAA. Before they left, VCU was 11-11 with multiple 1st round wins and a FF.

The recent FFs alone elevated both to a higher stature, hence the A10 invites.

The year they went to the F4 we finished higher than them, and beat them twice. Some of you guys put the Rams on a pedestal. Yeah, they had “the streak” for a while, but for 90% of our history, including just before they left ODU was every bit VCUs equal. It was like a mid major Duke vs UNC. They may have had more wins in the tournament, but that comes down to matchups. We both lost to Butler. And head to head, and in conference, it was an even matchup. They didn’t pull away until they joined the A10 and got the A10 advantages.

(10-26-2021 08:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 03:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:46 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 01:52 PM)odu09 Wrote:  When I said .750 I was referring to cusa games, not out of conference.

CUSA and SB are both one bid leagues. As I demonstrated in a previous post, the SB is pretty close to CUSA in terms of strength.

Old CAA had a couple years where we had at large bids. That is extremely rare ever since power conferences moved to 20 game conference schedules and refuse to play mid majors on the road.

I strongly feel that the conference move is not going to make our basketball worse.

Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

It wasn’t just VCU and Mason, it was ODU too. And when they left we were on exactly equal stature. That isn’t the case any more.

What?
Mason overall maybe. But in later history they had a FF and were 5-6 in the NCAAT when they left.
VCU, no way. We were 3-11 in the NCAAT while in the CAA. Before they left, VCU was 11-11 with multiple 1st round wins and a FF.

The recent FFs alone elevated both to a higher stature, hence the A10 invites.

The year they went to the F4 we finished higher than them, and beat them twice. Some of you guys put the Rams on a pedestal. Yeah, they had “the streak” for a while, but for 90% of our history, including just before they left ODU was every bit VCUs equal. It was like a mid major Duke vs UNC. They may have had more wins in the tournament, but that comes down to matchups. We both lost to Butler. And head to head, and in conference, it was an even matchup. They didn’t pull away until they joined the A10 and got the A10 advantages.

And it was a soul crushing, last second tip in that we lost to Butler. We were that close.....

(10-26-2021 08:55 PM)Stanger Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 08:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 03:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:46 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 02:22 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Once Mason asnd VCU departed, the CAA, was no better either.
Before 2019, the last time we went to the NCAAT was in 2010/2011, two years before VCU departed the CAA. (2012/2013)

The only possibility of improvement was the A10.
At that point we didn't go to the A10 in MBB. We were not invited to the A10
We are not going to the A10 now.
We are not going to the A10 tomorrow.
We probably are not going to the A10 in the next decade or more.

It was not CUSA that impacted our MBB, it was VCU and Mason. Once they left the CAA was no better than CUSA, and we were no better off than we are now in CUSA, or will be in the SBC.

The best thing we can do now is excel in the SBC.

It wasn’t just VCU and Mason, it was ODU too. And when they left we were on exactly equal stature. That isn’t the case any more.

What?
Mason overall maybe. But in later history they had a FF and were 5-6 in the NCAAT when they left.
VCU, no way. We were 3-11 in the NCAAT while in the CAA. Before they left, VCU was 11-11 with multiple 1st round wins and a FF.

The recent FFs alone elevated both to a higher stature, hence the A10 invites.

The year they went to the F4 we finished higher than them, and beat them twice. Some of you guys put the Rams on a pedestal. Yeah, they had “the streak” for a while, but for 90% of our history, including just before they left ODU was every bit VCUs equal. It was like a mid major Duke vs UNC. They may have had more wins in the tournament, but that comes down to matchups. We both lost to Butler. And head to head, and in conference, it was an even matchup. They didn’t pull away until they joined the A10 and got the A10 advantages.

And it was a soul crushing, last second tip in that we lost to Butler. We were that close.....

We win that game and we make a special run.

(10-26-2021 08:07 PM)beenjamminmore Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 07:30 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(10-26-2021 06:09 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  So what is everyone's guess for the 2022 football sched? Can we start SBC games this soon or will we have a lame duck season?

So far it doesn't look like we will play in the SBC untill 2023, so unless CUSA boots us out beforehand, 2022 will be CUSA business as usual.
That could all change after tomorrow, when it seems that we will make the announcement.

I'm sure you remember we went through the same thing leaving the CAA, and even though we had the best record that year, the CAA would not let us be the conference champion. I still get P. O.ed thinking about it.

The only game I have attended at JMU was that one where ODU won the defacto Championship. Some of our players held up hand written signs with "ODU CAA Champs." It was a great moment!

We also had a very good ODU tailgating presence for that game. Something I hope we can replicate again in the coming years.

SHSU, NMSU, Liberty, and Jax St.
Looks like CUSA survives even if WKU and MTSU leave for the MAC

By the time the AAC 6 leave, the 3 FCS programs should be eligible. Along with Liberty, UTEP, FIU and LT, that would mean that there is needed one more football school, as you need eight.
That could be another FCS call up or one or both of UConn and UMass

This lineup may be enough to keep MTSU and WKU as well.

I think that WKU and Empty Sue are gone. But I also think that EKU and Chatty are lining up right behind them. Would be a decent conference that has almost the exact same footprint as the SBC/AAC. So much changes, and so much stays the same.

So CUSA said no thanks to Liberty, which sent Marshall and ODU packing, and JMU following us. Then to save its own life, CUSA says yes to LU. After Marshall, ODU and JMU are gone. If they had said "yes" to begin with CUSA would still have Marshall, ODU, WKU, MT, and JMU, along with LU, LT, UTEP and FIU. At least thats what seems to have happened from reading message boards. That would have been a great hoops league, and compact enough to eventually woo App St and Coastal to it. CUSA just cant do anything right. Im happy to be in the SB, but the above league would have been cool too.