(10-15-2021 07:52 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:01 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 10:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-13-2021 06:58 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  The realignment rumors are kind of all over the map.

MWC-14 (UTSA, UNT)
AAC-14 (Rice, LaTech, UAB, Marshall, App St, FAU)
SBC-14 (USM, WKU, MT, Charlotte, FIU)

I think it does make sense for the SBC to grab a Florida presence. If USF/FAU are both in the AAC then the SBC should pick up FIU. Also WKU, MT work well in the SBC because Arkansas St is there.

UTEP->WAC
ODU->A10

It all depends on who does the striking first and if CUSA will have time to backfill.

Two major issues with this:

1. The SBC West schools refuse to consider FIU.
2. MTSU doesn't have the votes. Too many no's

There's some revisionist history that the the original defection from the SBC to CUSA went down well with all involved. It did not. It got ugly...ugly enough that several schools on both sides refuse to schedule each other.

AState has yet to play a single regular season series against a former SBC member in any sport outside of a single basketball series with FAU several years back.

It doesn't help when your commissioner adds new members without input from current league members. The addition of Georgia State without a vote? Without a discussion? Without vetting them in the least?

Funny thing is, the opposition to Georgia State didn't come from the current SBC Members...it came from the ones that left. UNT left like 3 weeks after the Panthers were added.

Karl Benson's save the SBC plan didn't include trying to save UNT or FIU...He also made zero attempt to keep MTSU or FAU.

The opposition to adding Georgia State without input is valid. Those schools left the Suck Belt because Karl Benson basically ruled by executive order that Georgia State would be added whether anyone liked it or not.

That just makes no sense. A conference commissioner has bosses. The school presidents have the final say on whether or not a school is admitted and whether or not the commissioner can keep his/her job.

(10-15-2021 08:03 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 07:52 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:01 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 10:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Two major issues with this:

1. The SBC West schools refuse to consider FIU.
2. MTSU doesn't have the votes. Too many no's

There's some revisionist history that the the original defection from the SBC to CUSA went down well with all involved. It did not. It got ugly...ugly enough that several schools on both sides refuse to schedule each other.

AState has yet to play a single regular season series against a former SBC member in any sport outside of a single basketball series with FAU several years back.

It doesn't help when your commissioner adds new members without input from current league members. The addition of Georgia State without a vote? Without a discussion? Without vetting them in the least?

Funny thing is, the opposition to Georgia State didn't come from the current SBC Members...it came from the ones that left. UNT left like 3 weeks after the Panthers were added.

Karl Benson's save the SBC plan didn't include trying to save UNT or FIU...He also made zero attempt to keep MTSU or FAU.

The opposition to adding Georgia State without input is valid. Those schools left the Suck Belt because Karl Benson basically ruled by executive order that Georgia State would be added whether anyone liked it or not.

That just makes no sense. A conference commissioner has bosses. The school presidents have the final say on whether or not a school is admitted and whether or not the commissioner can keep his/her job.

Yeah, but the commissioner and the conference's legal team extends the official invite, and Benson did that without a vote from Sun Belt presidents.

(10-14-2021 09:13 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 08:19 PM)galojah Wrote:  I just don't see a significant enough difference between C-USA and SBC for a team from either conference finding it worth the exit and entrance fees to jump. The revenues are nearly equal and I don't think two or four teams moving from one to the other will significantly change a media deal.

They should strike a deal where one team can move for free if they can find another team who wants to move in the other direction.

As I said in another thread G5 leagues ought to waive entry and exit fees for three months and see who applies where.

(10-14-2021 10:35 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:34 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 06:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 03:45 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:54 AM)All4One Wrote:  MTSU or WKU won the Vic Bubas Cup every year in the Sun Belt as long as they were in the league. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette have been in Division 1-A much longer than those two--UL-Lafayette always having been D1. They suffered then from the same thing Southern Miss does in CUSA now--being angry at those schools who basically swept into their division and conference and passed them by. They don't have any lost love for FAU, FIU, and North Texas either. It has been their sick fantasy to see those five schools want to better themselves in Conference USA. They feel the same way about Louisiana Tech too for rejecting the Slum Belch to stay in the WAC around 2005-ish.

This might be the most asinine thing I've read today

Sure, Arkansas State fan. People can tell every time one of you guys comment that you hope those schools fail.

When you throw crap at the Sun Belt fans, don't be surprised when somebody throws some back.

Uhhhh. Look around. They've been throwing garbage for 8 years. 8 f***ing years! I haven't been posting that long, but forum logs apparently go back that far and show the pissyness of Belch fans in Lafayette and Jonesboro for the defectors and La Tech all that time.

In other words you are a long time poster who created a new identity to troll in violation of the AUP.

(10-15-2021 08:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 10:35 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:34 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 06:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 03:45 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  This might be the most asinine thing I've read today

Sure, Arkansas State fan. People can tell every time one of you guys comment that you hope those schools fail.

When you throw crap at the Sun Belt fans, don't be surprised when somebody throws some back.

Uhhhh. Look around. They've been throwing garbage for 8 years. 8 f***ing years! I haven't been posting that long, but forum logs apparently go back that far and show the pissyness of Belch fans in Lafayette and Jonesboro for the defectors and La Tech all that time.

In other words you are a long time poster who created a new identity to troll in violation of the AUP.

Note to self...Continue to annoy All with my annoying Astate garbage. Got it.

(10-15-2021 03:46 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 12:15 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:54 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 12:33 AM)TxSt1992 Wrote:  One of the main things I learned during this realignment cycle is that the SBC is being pretty picky on which schools they want in the conference. Typically the SBC schools want a college town atmosphere with good to great football tradition and preferably within the existing footprint to minimize travel and to hopefully build some rivalries.. This is why everyone at the SBC board is excited for Southern Miss, because they fit the description above to a T. The Florida schools are both great schools but almost the exact opposite of what we're looking for. It would he a bad idea for both parties if they were to join. MTSU and WKU would be a good fits but to many burned bridges for them to come back. The other schools in CUSA dont fit the profile and as such shouldn't be considered. JMU would be a better fit.

MTSU or WKU won the Vic Bubas Cup every year in the Sun Belt as long as they were in the league. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette have been in Division 1-A much longer than those two--UL-Lafayette always having been D1. They suffered then from the same thing Southern Miss does in CUSA now--being angry at those schools who basically swept into their division and conference and passed them by. They don't have any lost love for FAU, FIU, and North Texas either. It has been their sick fantasy to see those five schools want to better themselves in Conference USA. They feel the same way about Louisiana Tech too for rejecting the Slum Belch to stay in the WAC around 2005-ish.

I see the revisionist history courses in Ruston are still going strong.

The opposition to Tech came before 2005. It came in the 1990's when the Big West Folded, the WAC Went to 16 and the SBC Formed. And the history of it formed long before even the 90's

But if we're going to be honest A40, if Tech wanted in the Sun Belt right now, they would have the votes. The only way they wouldn't is if South Alabama and Troy jumped up to say No...which I guess is possible.

I don't live in Ruston, and I have never been to Ruston, and I really don't care how far back the hate goes. Victimhood mentality has always followed the Slum Belch. When La Tech joined the WAC instead of being a charter member of Belch football. When La Tech refused to leave the WAC after SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and UTEP left. When Utah State left the Belch. And then when North Texas, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Middle Tennessee, and Western Kentucky left the Slum Belch. Always b****ing and crying by the Slum Belch members left back.

Liar. We don’t know what your story is but it’s clearly not the one you are trying to peddle. For some reason or another you ‘get hard’ for all things ruston and/or coosa, and your hate for ULM, UL and the SBC is sick.
All of that = 100% ruston.

Has all but admitted creating a new alias to troll by citing things purported to happen on the board years before joining. It’s an AUP violation not that anyone cares.

(10-15-2021 08:09 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 08:03 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 07:52 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:01 PM)All4One Wrote:  It doesn't help when your commissioner adds new members without input from current league members. The addition of Georgia State without a vote? Without a discussion? Without vetting them in the least?

Funny thing is, the opposition to Georgia State didn't come from the current SBC Members...it came from the ones that left. UNT left like 3 weeks after the Panthers were added.

Karl Benson's save the SBC plan didn't include trying to save UNT or FIU...He also made zero attempt to keep MTSU or FAU.

The opposition to adding Georgia State without input is valid. Those schools left the Suck Belt because Karl Benson basically ruled by executive order that Georgia State would be added whether anyone liked it or not.

That just makes no sense. A conference commissioner has bosses. The school presidents have the final say on whether or not a school is admitted and whether or not the commissioner can keep his/her job.

Yeah, but the commissioner and the conference's legal team extends the official invite, and Benson did that without a vote from Sun Belt presidents.

Not fully accurate but that ain’t never stopped anyone.

(10-15-2021 08:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 10:35 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:34 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 06:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 03:45 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  This might be the most asinine thing I've read today

Sure, Arkansas State fan. People can tell every time one of you guys comment that you hope those schools fail.

When you throw crap at the Sun Belt fans, don't be surprised when somebody throws some back.

Uhhhh. Look around. They've been throwing garbage for 8 years. 8 f***ing years! I haven't been posting that long, but forum logs apparently go back that far and show the pissyness of Belch fans in Lafayette and Jonesboro for the defectors and La Tech all that time.

In other words you are a long time poster who created a new identity to troll in violation of the AUP.

No, but going on scavenger hunts is fun.

(10-15-2021 08:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 08:09 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 08:03 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 07:52 AM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 11:05 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Funny thing is, the opposition to Georgia State didn't come from the current SBC Members...it came from the ones that left. UNT left like 3 weeks after the Panthers were added.

Karl Benson's save the SBC plan didn't include trying to save UNT or FIU...He also made zero attempt to keep MTSU or FAU.

The opposition to adding Georgia State without input is valid. Those schools left the Suck Belt because Karl Benson basically ruled by executive order that Georgia State would be added whether anyone liked it or not.

That just makes no sense. A conference commissioner has bosses. The school presidents have the final say on whether or not a school is admitted and whether or not the commissioner can keep his/her job.

Yeah, but the commissioner and the conference's legal team extends the official invite, and Benson did that without a vote from Sun Belt presidents.

Not fully accurate but that ain’t never stopped anyone.

Then why don't you share with everyone what really happened to make that story accurate?

With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6

Hoping we get some movement soon so this can be sorted out

My guesses based on what we think we know

AAC - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, FAU

AAC's Plan A was to get Big 12 schools
AAC's Plan B was to get MWC schools
AAC's Plan C is now replacment, status quo, and minimal damage

UAB fills the Cincinnati slot
Charlotte fills the UConn slot
Rice fills the Houston slot
FAU fills the UCF slot

Not ideal but passable and the market driven AAC is pleased with 4 big market adds

Sunbelt gets a Marshall and USM that fit in well with the culture of the league
MWC gets into TX with N Texas and UTSA and to address the concerns of the Mountain schools and gets Boise in the CA based western division

CUSA is left with ODU, WKU, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, UTEP

My best case scenario for CUSA at that point

If MTSU/WKU want to stick around instead of trying to get into the MAC, then the CUSA can add JMU and MO St from FCS to get to 8 full time schools
I would also add UConn and UMass for football only.

Then, try to work out a deal with UTEP to get them as a football only member promising them no exit fees and their share of the exit fees from departing schools.
If they can be the WAC #14, then replace them with Liberty as the FBS #8 all sports member

That would give you a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
with MO St. and LA Tech as travel partners
your requisite Florida school with FIU
and then UMASS, UCONN, UTEP, and NMSU as football only for 12 schools.

If you have a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
and can build off it, down the line I would approach UMass, VCU, St. Louis, and Dayton about coming on board to solidify the CUSA basketball brand.

END GAME CUSA
UMASS
UConn/VCU
ODU
Liberty
JMU
FIU

WKU
MTSU
MO ST
LA Tech
UTEP/St. Louis
NMSU/Dayton

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6

Hoping we get some movement soon so this can be sorted out

My guesses based on what we think we know

AAC - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, FAU

AAC's Plan A was to get Big 12 schools
AAC's Plan B was to get MWC schools
AAC's Plan C is now replacment, status quo, and minimal damage

UAB fills the Cincinnati slot
Charlotte fills the UConn slot
Rice fills the Houston slot
FAU fills the UCF slot

Not ideal but passable and the market driven AAC is pleased with 4 big market adds

Sunbelt gets a Marshall and USM that fit in well with the culture of the league
MWC gets into TX with N Texas and UTSA and to address the concerns of the Mountain schools and gets Boise in the CA based western division

CUSA is left with ODU, WKU, MTSU, FIU, LA Tech, UTEP

My best case scenario for CUSA at that point

If MTSU/WKU want to stick around instead of trying to get into the MAC, then the CUSA can add JMU and MO St from FCS to get to 8 full time schools
I would also add UConn and UMass for football only.

Then, try to work out a deal with UTEP to get them as a football only member promising them no exit fees and their share of the exit fees from departing schools.
If they can be the WAC #14, then replace them with Liberty as the FBS #8 all sports member

That would give you a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
with MO St. and LA Tech as travel partners
your requisite Florida school with FIU
and then UMASS, UCONN, UTEP, and NMSU as football only for 12 schools.

If you have a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
and can build off it, down the line I would approach UMass, VCU, St. Louis, and Dayton about coming on board to solidify the CUSA basketball brand.

END GAME CUSA
UMASS
UConn/VCU
ODU
Liberty
JMU
FIU

WKU
MTSU
MO ST
LA Tech
UTEP/St. Louis
NMSU/Dayton

All good until the A-10 raid part

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you have a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
and can build off it, down the line I would approach UMass, VCU, St. Louis, and Dayton about coming on board to solidify the CUSA basketball brand.

END GAME CUSA
UMASS
UConn/VCU
ODU
Liberty
JMU
FIU

WKU
MTSU
MO ST
LA Tech
UTEP/St. Louis
NMSU/Dayton

I'm like 99% certain at this point the A10 schools would tell the AAC to pound sand, they aren't even answering a phone call from C-USA.

(10-15-2021 03:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If you have a solid core of
WKU, MTSU, JMU, Liberty, ODU
and can build off it, down the line I would approach UMass, VCU, St. Louis, and Dayton about coming on board to solidify the CUSA basketball brand.

END GAME CUSA
UMASS
UConn/VCU
ODU
Liberty
JMU
FIU

WKU
MTSU
MO ST
LA Tech
UTEP/St. Louis
NMSU/Dayton

I'm like 99% certain at this point the A10 schools would tell the AAC to pound sand, they aren't even answering a phone call from C-USA.

thats why i said down the line. it would be a long term strategy if UMass could be convinced all sports with premier A10 schools joining is better than the A10/CUSA split they would have.

If ODU got a solid eastern core established with JMU in it, I think VCU would at least take the call. You only need one to get dominoes going. It will basically be UMass cherrypicking who they want to join with them so they could be all sports conference in CUSA

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

(10-14-2021 10:35 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 09:34 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 06:23 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 03:45 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(10-14-2021 01:54 AM)All4One Wrote:  MTSU or WKU won the Vic Bubas Cup every year in the Sun Belt as long as they were in the league. Arkansas State and Louisiana-Lafayette have been in Division 1-A much longer than those two--UL-Lafayette always having been D1. They suffered then from the same thing Southern Miss does in CUSA now--being angry at those schools who basically swept into their division and conference and passed them by. They don't have any lost love for FAU, FIU, and North Texas either. It has been their sick fantasy to see those five schools want to better themselves in Conference USA. They feel the same way about Louisiana Tech too for rejecting the Slum Belch to stay in the WAC around 2005-ish.

This might be the most asinine thing I've read today

Sure, Arkansas State fan. People can tell every time one of you guys comment that you hope those schools fail.

When you throw crap at the Sun Belt fans, don't be surprised when somebody throws some back.

Uhhhh. Look around. They've been throwing garbage for 8 years. 8 f***ing years! I haven't been posting that long, but forum logs apparently go back that far and show the pissyness of Belch fans in Lafayette and Jonesboro for the defectors and La Tech all that time.

Sure you haven’t. Sure you haven’t.

Don’t know what your story is, but it sure isn’t the one you’re trying to sell.

(10-15-2021 05:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

The AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt have all been public about expanding so I'd say it's coming

(10-15-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

The AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt have all been public about expanding so I'd say it's coming

The MW and Sun Belt would be making a mistake in adding programs from the weak CUSA. AAC doesnt have a choice and they will take the best programs.

(10-15-2021 06:13 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

The AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt have all been public about expanding so I'd say it's coming

The MW and Sun Belt would be making a mistake in adding programs from the weak CUSA. AAC doesnt have a choice and they will take the best programs.

AAC should take ASU/GSU from the SBC and weaken them too.

(10-15-2021 06:13 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

The AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt have all been public about expanding so I'd say it's coming

The MW and Sun Belt would be making a mistake in adding programs from the weak CUSA. AAC doesnt have a choice and they will take the best programs.

It is a poorly kept secret that Sun Belt wants USM. The Eagles are down but they fit the map wonderfully, similar type school, with a football emphasis.

(10-15-2021 06:18 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 06:13 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 05:38 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(10-15-2021 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  With Thompson's statement today about the MWC considering expansion, it's looking more likely that CUSA will be down to 6 ...

As in, increasing from <1% chance to <5% chance?

The AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt have all been public about expanding so I'd say it's coming

The MW and Sun Belt would be making a mistake in adding programs from the weak CUSA. AAC doesnt have a choice and they will take the best programs.

AAC should take ASU/GSU from the SBC and weaken them too.

You just listed 4 different combos:

Arkansas St - Georgia St
Arkansas St - Georgia Southern
Appalachian St - Georgia St
Appalachian St - Georgia Southern