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Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:20 PM
Killing a conference is very hard, but I do see some plausible scenarios where it would be very hard to rebuild the CUSA shell
If AAC goes to 12 and takes 4 from CUSA - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, and Marshall
then
MWC and Sunbelt take 2 each - N Texas and UTSA to MWC and USM and ODU to the Sunbelt
That leaves the CUSA with a very odd couple mix of 6
FIU, FAU, WKU, MTSU, LA Tech, and UTEP
If that were to happen, you know MTSU and WKU would be pushing hard to join the MAC
If the MAC takes WKU and MTSU, I don't see how CUSA rebuilds, unless they become the FBS gateway conference for the 1AA schools that have been long rumored to be interested in upgrading.
If the AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt all take CUSA schools, will the conference have the ability to survive?
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - dbackjon - 10-13-2021 01:26 PM
No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - All4One - 10-13-2021 01:28 PM
(10-13-2021 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote: Killing a conference is very hard, but I do see some plausible scenarios where it would be very hard to rebuild the CUSA shell
If AAC goes to 12 and takes 4 from CUSA - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, and Marshall
then
MWC and Sunbelt take 2 each - N Texas and UTSA to MWC and USM and ODU to the Sunbelt
That leaves the CUSA with a very odd couple mix of 6
FIU, FAU, WKU, MTSU, LA Tech, and UTEP
If that were to happen, you know MTSU and WKU would be pushing hard to join the MAC
If the MAC takes WKU and MTSU, I don't see how CUSA rebuilds, unless they become the FBS gateway conference for the 1AA schools that have been long rumored to be interested in upgrading.
If the AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt all take CUSA schools, will the conference have the ability to survive?
Yes, because MTSU and WKU wouldn't need to go to the MAC, and I suppose donors to those schools would push back on the MAC. CUSA would likely invite New Mexico State and Liberty as all-sport members, and you have 8 full members right there.
It'd be interesting if that happened. What a banner performance for the first woman FBS commissioner.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - MinerInWisconsin - 10-13-2021 01:28 PM
(10-13-2021 01:20 PM)solohawks Wrote: Killing a conference is very hard, but I do see some plausible scenarios where it would be very hard to rebuild the CUSA shell
If AAC goes to 12 and takes 4 from CUSA - UAB, Charlotte, Rice, and Marshall
then
MWC and Sunbelt take 2 each - N Texas and UTSA to MWC and USM and ODU to the Sunbelt
That leaves the CUSA with a very odd couple mix of 6
FIU, FAU, WKU, MTSU, LA Tech, and UTEP
If that were to happen, you know MTSU and WKU would be pushing hard to join the MAC
If the MAC takes WKU and MTSU, I don't see how CUSA rebuilds, unless they become the FBS gateway conference for the 1AA schools that have been long rumored to be interested in upgrading.
If the AAC, MWC, and Sunbelt all take CUSA schools, will the conference have the ability to survive?
Would the MAC actually want to go above 12?
I would guess that NMSU would be the first add. Now you have 7 with 6 of those having close travel partners. If Missouri St is truly interested in moving up, add them for number 8. That's a start. More fcs schools in the middle of those 8 schools are likely interested in finding an fbs home. It will happen and lots of fbs folks won't like it but that's the result of trying to kill a conference.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - DoubleRSU - 10-13-2021 01:31 PM
(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:32 PM
Would NMSU leave a WAC they have finally regionalized to join a mishmash of schools who will leave the first minute they can?
Football only, sure but all sports?? Im not quite as confident.
If CUSA got to 6 it will be very interesting.
I could see ASUN Ted trying to get control of that conference shell and using it to fulfill his UAC plan as well as meeting the desire of some of his schools to upgrade to FBS
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - Bogg - 10-13-2021 01:32 PM
I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - All4One - 10-13-2021 01:34 PM
(10-13-2021 01:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
New Mexico State and Liberty are not FCS.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - DoubleRSU - 10-13-2021 01:35 PM
(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If you go to 4, you could probably get NMSU and Liberty, but why would they want to join that league for non-football sports?
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:36 PM
(10-13-2021 01:34 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
New Mexico State and Liberty are not FCS.
Im just not confident they leave their current setup for an all sports mismash no one really wants to be apart of
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - All4One - 10-13-2021 01:38 PM
(10-13-2021 01:35 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If you go to 4, you could probably get NMSU and Liberty, but why would they want to join that league for non-football sports?
Well, I can't imagine New Mexico State or Liberty passing up an opportunity to be in an FBS conference that carries direct bowl bids and is extended a sizable chunk from the CFP distribution moreso than they would get as Independents.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - DoubleRSU - 10-13-2021 01:38 PM
(10-13-2021 01:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:34 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
New Mexico State and Liberty are not FCS.
Im just not confident they leave their current setup for an all sports mismash no one really wants to be apart of
Agree. CUSA is already a 1 bid league, this would make them worse and more unstable than the WAC or ASun.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:40 PM
(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If CUSA gets raided down to 6, those 6 are going to be looking for other options to ensure the stability of their athletic deparment
Would UTEP looking to be the WAC #14?
Would FIU and FAU look to the ASUN?
None of this is ideal, but having the NMSU/UMass setup beats having no conference at all
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:40 PM
(10-13-2021 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:34 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
New Mexico State and Liberty are not FCS.
Im just not confident they leave their current setup for an all sports mismash no one really wants to be apart of
Agree. CUSA is already a 1 bid league, this would make them worse and more unstable than the WAC or ASun.
And NMSU has been abandoned and screwed before. I just don't see them jumping back into a chaotic situation.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - All4One - 10-13-2021 01:41 PM
(10-13-2021 01:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:36 PM)solohawks Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:34 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:26 PM)dbackjon Wrote: No conference will ever die as long as they have an autobid to the NCAA basketball tourney
But what if the above scenario plays out. Who would join the remaining 4/6 CUSA teams? They would have to beg FCS teams to move up and quick.
New Mexico State and Liberty are not FCS.
Im just not confident they leave their current setup for an all sports mismash no one really wants to be apart of
Agree. CUSA is already a 1 bid league, this would make them worse and more unstable than the WAC or ASun.
Then I guess they'll stay Independent.
If being in an FBS conference isn't worth it to them, then that's the end result.
Then you contact James Madison and Missouri State.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:42 PM
(10-13-2021 01:38 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:35 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If you go to 4, you could probably get NMSU and Liberty, but why would they want to join that league for non-football sports?
Well, I can't imagine New Mexico State or Liberty passing up an opportunity to be in an FBS conference that carries direct bowl bids and is extended a sizable chunk from the CFP distribution moreso than they would get as Independents.
Liberty already has a direct bowl bid in the ESPN event pool
as for CFP money, who knows what that will look like next go round.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - All4One - 10-13-2021 01:45 PM
(10-13-2021 01:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:38 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:35 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If you go to 4, you could probably get NMSU and Liberty, but why would they want to join that league for non-football sports?
Well, I can't imagine New Mexico State or Liberty passing up an opportunity to be in an FBS conference that carries direct bowl bids and is extended a sizable chunk from the CFP distribution moreso than they would get as Independents.
Liberty already has a direct bowl bid in the ESPN event pool
as for CFP money, who knows what that will look like next go round.
Liberty's bowl bid is not direct. It is contingent to there being no available Gang of 5 school to fill the bid. I checked into it.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - solohawks - 10-13-2021 01:49 PM
(10-13-2021 01:45 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:38 PM)All4One Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:35 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(10-13-2021 01:32 PM)Bogg Wrote: I doubt they get raided down to 4, and if they're at 6 it's just too easy to go back to 8 and grab an affiliate or two to get to whatever minimum number you're comfortable with.
If you go to 4, you could probably get NMSU and Liberty, but why would they want to join that league for non-football sports?
Well, I can't imagine New Mexico State or Liberty passing up an opportunity to be in an FBS conference that carries direct bowl bids and is extended a sizable chunk from the CFP distribution moreso than they would get as Independents.
Liberty already has a direct bowl bid in the ESPN event pool
as for CFP money, who knows what that will look like next go round.
Liberty's bowl bid is not direct. It is contingent to there being no available Gang of 5 school to fill the bid. I checked into it.
Fair enough but ESPN takes care of their own and Liberty has gone all in with ESPN. I don't think Liberty is worried about missing out on a bowl anytime soon.
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - BKTopper - 10-13-2021 01:49 PM
New day, new “WKU+MT to MAC” thread
RE: Killing CUSA - Possible and Likely?? - Schadenfreude - 10-13-2021 01:50 PM
(10-13-2021 01:28 PM)All4One Wrote: What a banner performance for the first woman FBS commissioner.
Classy.