(10-08-2021 04:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:04 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 03:24 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  How did Marshall get paid? Other 3 do not surprise me of course, at least have the money. Surprised Marshall can bump up their budget that much in such a short amount of time..

We have fairly low student subsidy for a G5. The people in charge may decide to subsidize more and the American will give a bigger conference distribution by several million.

You could raise the student fees to $1,000 and not raise 7 extra million dollars. Now try doing that in Huntington and see how well that goes over. Poor state and poor people struggling dont like a 6% increase from $8894 to $9,444 and that's without any tuition increase.

Local media would bury Marshall the same way it would in BG

Local media will almost universally applaud the ambition. Not convinced we are going yet, but you are misreading Marshall. And 3-4 million makes us competitive in football and basketball budgets—all that matters.

If thats the case why didnt Marshall do exactly that years ago when in the same conference with those same schools? Why didnt Marshall do that to be able to afford paying a FB coach what the top schools in CUSA 2.0 did?

Marshall is losing students and like every other school tuition rates keeps going up. Poor city, poor state at some point cost overrides going to college for those people Marshall is drawing students from.

Not just Marshall but every school that's in the same position as Marshall (Western one of those). At first fandom might win out but once its a repeat of the last 15 years those voices will change. It wont take but 3 to 5 years before they do...

unless something totally different happens to Marshall that hasnt in 20 years. Marshall becomes the winner they think they should be. That's slim

(10-08-2021 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:04 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 03:24 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  How did Marshall get paid? Other 3 do not surprise me of course, at least have the money. Surprised Marshall can bump up their budget that much in such a short amount of time..

We have fairly low student subsidy for a G5. The people in charge may decide to subsidize more and the American will give a bigger conference distribution by several million.

You could raise the student fees to $1,000 and not raise 7 extra million dollars. Now try doing that in Huntington and see how well that goes over. Poor state and poor people struggling dont like a 6% increase from $8894 to $9,444 and that's without any tuition increase.

Local media would bury Marshall the same way it would in BG

Local media will almost universally applaud the ambition. Not convinced we are going yet, but you are misreading Marshall. And 3-4 million makes us competitive in football and basketball budgets—all that matters.

If thats the case why didnt Marshall do exactly that years ago when in the same conference with those same schools? Why didnt Marshall do that to be able to afford paying a FB coach what the top schools in CUSA 2.0 did?

Marshall is losing students and like every other school tuition rates keeps going up. Poor city, poor state at some point cost overrides going to college for those people Marshall is drawing students from.

Not just Marshall but every school that's in the same position as Marshall (Western one of those). At first fandom might win out but once its a repeat of the last 15 years those voices will change. It wont take but 3 to 5 years before they do...

unless something totally different happens to Marshall that hasnt in 20 years. Marshall becomes the winner they think they should be. That's slim

We will take your advice under advisement, Western Kentucky fan and Marshall expert. We’ll also do us.

Thanks for the talk.

If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

(10-08-2021 04:35 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

That's not how it works son. I am absolutely sure it would take 75% of the conference members to vote to dissolve the conference. So that's at least 10 members that would be needed to vote for this.

(10-08-2021 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:04 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 03:24 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  How did Marshall get paid? Other 3 do not surprise me of course, at least have the money. Surprised Marshall can bump up their budget that much in such a short amount of time..

We have fairly low student subsidy for a G5. The people in charge may decide to subsidize more and the American will give a bigger conference distribution by several million.

You could raise the student fees to $1,000 and not raise 7 extra million dollars. Now try doing that in Huntington and see how well that goes over. Poor state and poor people struggling dont like a 6% increase from $8894 to $9,444 and that's without any tuition increase.

Local media would bury Marshall the same way it would in BG

Local media will almost universally applaud the ambition. Not convinced we are going yet, but you are misreading Marshall. And 3-4 million makes us competitive in football and basketball budgets—all that matters.

If thats the case why didnt Marshall do exactly that years ago when in the same conference with those same schools? Why didnt Marshall do that to be able to afford paying a FB coach what the top schools in CUSA 2.0 did?

Marshall is losing students and like every other school tuition rates keeps going up. Poor city, poor state at some point cost overrides going to college for those people Marshall is drawing students from.

Not just Marshall but every school that's in the same position as Marshall (Western one of those). At first fandom might win out but once its a repeat of the last 15 years those voices will change. It wont take but 3 to 5 years before they do...

unless something totally different happens to Marshall that hasnt in 20 years. Marshall becomes the winner they think they should be. That's slim

They actually did. The school entered CUSA with a budget around 20m and upped it to around 27m within a short time, very close to what ECU was at the time. Look it up brother, info is out there.

(10-08-2021 04:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If a department head brought me those numbers that spanned 8 years and try to sell me on....

if we just up the budget by 50% and took out all the main hitter and replaced those with programs we complained about playing for the last 3 years. That today with a 50% budget increase those numbers will now all of a sudden increase to cover that extra cost. And do that in a time when more and more people are not spending their money on what we are selling.

I would fire that person on the spot. Does anyone else see it that way and try to set aside your fandom when answering that question? As a businessman this does not make any sense to me...

no matter the names going to the AAC

Some presidents are going to answering some hard questions in 5 years

This is one of the biggest problems the decision makers are facing. They have convinced themselves of this for a few years, and now have to add some of these teams to help stop the bleeding.

(10-08-2021 03:28 PM)banker Wrote:  I hope he’s wrong. That conference would not be a good fit for us.

This would be AWESOME. Sign me up for this before they change their minds lol

(10-08-2021 04:44 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If a department head brought me those numbers that spanned 8 years and try to sell me on....

if we just up the budget by 50% and took out all the main hitter and replaced those with programs we complained about playing for the last 3 years. That today with a 50% budget increase those numbers will now all of a sudden increase to cover that extra cost. And do that in a time when more and more people are not spending their money on what we are selling.

I would fire that person on the spot. Does anyone else see it that way and try to set aside your fandom when answering that question? As a businessman this does not make any sense to me...

no matter the names going to the AAC

Some presidents are going to answering some hard questions in 5 years

This is one of the biggest problems the decision makers are facing. They have convinced themselves of this for a few years, and now have to add some of these teams to help stop the bleeding.

TV money and NCAA credits are real. Marshall is in a spread out conference that pays it about 2.2 million with the worst media deal in D1. If we can trade this spread out conference for another spread out conference with the 6th best media deal, potential for multiple NCAA bids, and an extra 3+ million in conference revenue, it’s a complete no brainer.

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  Is it possible that the American would lower lofty goals of budget requirements or at least lower them temporarily to allow the affected programs time to gradually get to that number?

I think that's obvious at this point...otherwise they would be stuck with programs who are not ready in terms of performance or facilities and budgets that are subsidized to 60-70%.

(10-08-2021 04:33 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:29 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:20 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:04 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  We have fairly low student subsidy for a G5. The people in charge may decide to subsidize more and the American will give a bigger conference distribution by several million.

You could raise the student fees to $1,000 and not raise 7 extra million dollars. Now try doing that in Huntington and see how well that goes over. Poor state and poor people struggling dont like a 6% increase from $8894 to $9,444 and that's without any tuition increase.

Local media would bury Marshall the same way it would in BG

Local media will almost universally applaud the ambition. Not convinced we are going yet, but you are misreading Marshall. And 3-4 million makes us competitive in football and basketball budgets—all that matters.

If thats the case why didnt Marshall do exactly that years ago when in the same conference with those same schools? Why didnt Marshall do that to be able to afford paying a FB coach what the top schools in CUSA 2.0 did?

Marshall is losing students and like every other school tuition rates keeps going up. Poor city, poor state at some point cost overrides going to college for those people Marshall is drawing students from.

Not just Marshall but every school that's in the same position as Marshall (Western one of those). At first fandom might win out but once its a repeat of the last 15 years those voices will change. It wont take but 3 to 5 years before they do...

unless something totally different happens to Marshall that hasnt in 20 years. Marshall becomes the winner they think they should be. That's slim

We will take your advice under advisement, Western Kentucky fan and Marshall expert. We’ll also do us.

Thanks for the talk.

+2

(10-08-2021 04:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  Is it possible that the American would lower lofty goals of budget requirements or at least lower them temporarily to allow the affected programs time to gradually get to that number?

I think that's obvious at this point...otherwise they would be stuck with programs who are not ready in terms of performance or facilities and budgets that are subsidized to 60-70%.

So it is your opinion that the AAC lowered themselves in order to take Marshall? Yeah, run with that!.. I'll wait.

(10-08-2021 04:52 PM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:44 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:11 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  If a department head brought me those numbers that spanned 8 years and try to sell me on....

if we just up the budget by 50% and took out all the main hitter and replaced those with programs we complained about playing for the last 3 years. That today with a 50% budget increase those numbers will now all of a sudden increase to cover that extra cost. And do that in a time when more and more people are not spending their money on what we are selling.

I would fire that person on the spot. Does anyone else see it that way and try to set aside your fandom when answering that question? As a businessman this does not make any sense to me...

no matter the names going to the AAC

Some presidents are going to answering some hard questions in 5 years

This is one of the biggest problems the decision makers are facing. They have convinced themselves of this for a few years, and now have to add some of these teams to help stop the bleeding.

TV money and NCAA credits are real. Marshall is in a spread out conference that pays it about 2.2 million with the worst media deal in D1. If we can trade this spread out conference for another spread out conference with the 6th best media deal, potential for multiple NCAA bids, and an extra 3+ million in conference revenue, it’s a complete no brainer.

The additional exposure and teams our fans have heard of would be worth it imo.

(10-08-2021 04:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:35 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

That's not how it works son. I am absolutely sure it would take 75% of the conference members to vote to dissolve the conference. So that's at least 10 members that would be needed to vote for this.

Can CUSA afford lawsuits against 5-6 schools at once? Good luck with that. Judy cant even find the car door in her toy Jeep....Son.

(10-08-2021 05:01 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:35 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

That's not how it works son. I am absolutely sure it would take 75% of the conference members to vote to dissolve the conference. So that's at least 10 members that would be needed to vote for this.

Can CUSA afford lawsuits against 5-6 schools at once? Good luck with that. Judy cant even find the car door in her toy Jeep....Son.

Those schools can lawsuit all they want, bylaws are bylaws which were agreed upon by all member institutions of CUSA. You're gonna pay something to exit the conference, simple as that!

(10-08-2021 05:02 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 05:01 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:35 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

That's not how it works son. I am absolutely sure it would take 75% of the conference members to vote to dissolve the conference. So that's at least 10 members that would be needed to vote for this.

Can CUSA afford lawsuits against 5-6 schools at once? Good luck with that. Judy cant even find the car door in her toy Jeep....Son.

Those schools can lawsuit all they want, bylaws are bylaws which were agreed upon by all member institutions of CUSA. You're gonna pay something to exit the conference, simple as that!

You missed it. Those schools wont have to "lawsuit" as you say. CUSA will, if they want to collect. If there is a fee at all, it will be minimal. Once again, good luck.

(10-08-2021 04:58 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:55 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:17 PM)HERDDDDD Wrote:  Is it possible that the American would lower lofty goals of budget requirements or at least lower them temporarily to allow the affected programs time to gradually get to that number?

I think that's obvious at this point...otherwise they would be stuck with programs who are not ready in terms of performance or facilities and budgets that are subsidized to 60-70%.

So it is your opinion that the AAC lowered themselves in order to take Marshall? Yeah, run with that!.. I'll wait.

Not just for Marshall but for others as well. Lower their athletic budget requirements to bring in teams with fans that will attend games and put eyeballs on the tv screen vs take in teams with better budgets that no one cares about and hurt their media deal even worse and degrade the conference athletics. Which would you do?

(10-08-2021 05:05 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 05:02 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 05:01 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:35 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  If true, couple that with USM to the SBC (and maybe another from CUSA) and could pretty much kiss any exit fees goodbye. Good news!

That's not how it works son. I am absolutely sure it would take 75% of the conference members to vote to dissolve the conference. So that's at least 10 members that would be needed to vote for this.

Can CUSA afford lawsuits against 5-6 schools at once? Good luck with that. Judy cant even find the car door in her toy Jeep....Son.

Those schools can lawsuit all they want, bylaws are bylaws which were agreed upon by all member institutions of CUSA. You're gonna pay something to exit the conference, simple as that!

You missed it. Those schools wont have to "lawsuit" as you say. CUSA will, if they want to collect. If there is a fee at all, it will be minimal. Once again, good luck.

No you missed it. Both parties will be lawyering up. Keep up!

Charlotte, UTSA, are duds in basketball. Don’t see it.

(10-08-2021 04:10 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:09 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Im just waiting for Navy to announce they're going independent again.

Maybe they join the MWC for football only. They like being in AAC west, and it would put them in with the AFA?

Where would the rest of their sports go?

(10-08-2021 05:10 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:10 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-08-2021 04:09 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Im just waiting for Navy to announce they're going independent again.

Maybe they join the MWC for football only. They like being in AAC west, and it would put them in with the AFA?

Where would the rest of their sports go?

Where they are now?