Sinema Flames Pelosi in Blistering Statement for 'Inexcusable' Failure to Hold Infrastructure Vote

Quote:Prepare for the progressives to lose their ever-loving minds when they read this statement from Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ).

As I reported yesterday, she went back to Arizona before Joe Biden made his trip to Capitol Hill to twist arms. She made clear that she was willing to walk away from any vote on the reconciliation bill, if the progressives were going to play these games to hold up the infrastructure bill to use as leverage to further the chances of the reconciliation bill.

Sinema then sent this out today, just flaming “Democratic leaders.” While not specifically naming anyone, you know that it’s directed right at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). Sinema also takes apart the progressives, calling their effort an “ineffective stunt” to use the infrastructure bill as a “hostage.”

“The failure of the U.S. House to hold a vote on the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is inexcusable, and deeply disappointing for communities across our country,” she said in a lengthy statement Saturday. “Denying Americans millions of good-paying jobs, safer roads, cleaner water, more reliable electricity, and better broadband only hurts everyday families. Arizonans, and all everyday Americans, expect their lawmakers to consider legislation on the merits — rather than obstruct new jobs and critical infrastructure investments for no substantive reason. What Americans have seen instead is an ineffective stunt to gain leverage over a separate proposal. My vote belongs to Arizona, and I do not trade my vote for political favors – I vote based only on what is best for my state and the country. I have never, and would never, agree to any bargain that would hold one piece of legislation hostage to another.

Congress was designed as a place where representatives of Americans with valid and diverse views find compromise and common ground. That is why, when President Biden asked me to continue bipartisan infrastructure negotiations, I agreed and helped deliver the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act – a historic, broadly popular plan that reflects a key priority of President Biden’s. My commitment to delivering lasting results is also why I have engaged for months in direct, good faith negotiations over the separate budget reconciliation proposal.

Good-faith negotiations, however, require trust. Over the course of this year, Democratic leaders have made conflicting promises that could not all be kept — and have, at times, pretended that differences of opinion within our party did not exist, even when those disagreements were repeatedly made clear directly and publicly. Canceling the infrastructure vote further erodes that trust. More importantly, it betrays the trust the American people have placed in their elected leaders and denies our country crucial investments to expand economic opportunities.”

Talk about not mincing any words. Frankly, she lights it up with her writing even more than Manchin and makes one believe that she has core principles — a rare thing to see in a politician today, even though I doubtless would disagree with her on a variety of things.

As I said when I wrote about AOC and the progressives greed earlier today, this is ultimately going to get the Democrats nothing because progressives played these games.

Just a reminder, too. While Manchin and Sinema are the face of the moderates and the refusal to go along with this “financial insanity,” other moderates are furious at the game-playing that Pelosi has allowed here as well.

From The Hill:

The delay has also drawn the ire of several other Democrats — Reps. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.) and Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.) — who criticized the move on Friday not to bring the bipartisan infrastructure legislation for a vote.

“Along with a group of members, I’ve been working around-the-clock to pass the bipartisan bill, legislation we held craft back in April with my senate colleagues,” Gottheimer said in a statement. “But a small far-left faction of the House of Representatives undermined that agreement and blocked a critical vote on the president’s historic bipartisan infrastructure bill.”

But Sinema and the moderates have shown they will stand in the way of the progressives insanity, even if Pelosi or Biden won’t.

Has Hillary Clinton Lost Her Mind?

Quote:With all the different people involved in the current chaos going on in Washington, one name you wouldn’t expect to hear is Hillary Clinton. After all, she’s not a relevant figure outside of her cult fan base. Yet, the two-time failed presidential candidate — who lost the 2016 election and then blamed Russia for four years — decided to weigh in, and I’m pretty sure she’s lost her mind.

Trump well and truly broke this woman.

Before we get to Hillary, I just want to point out that this staff writer for The Atlantic claims to be genuinely afraid of the fall of our government and “minority rule.” I hesitate to use the term mental illness, but what else should we call such paranoia, backed by absolutely no evidence at all? The rest of the country is full of people going about their lives, and these beltway apparatchiks are hiding in the closet, mumbling about January 6th still. For cripes sake, get out of your bubble every once and a while.

Regardless, Hillary’s comments came in response to the fact that Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are refusing to fall in line with their party’s reconciliation ploy, which seeks to establish a new socialist utopia. Yet, I’m not sure Hillary understands what the word “minority” means. As I’ve said before, I’m not the best with math, but I’m still pretty sure that 52 (Manchin, Sinema, and the 50 GOP senators) is a greater number than 48, and therefore it is, in fact, a majority that opposes the $3.5 trillion budget bill. No concerns about the tyranny of the minority need apply. As Republicans learned during the John McCain era, there is no rule that party members vote along party lines.

Further, how exactly does a country “descend” into minority rule? Is Hillary suggesting there will be open warfare and subjugation by force, or is she just so cynical that she’s using that kind of inflammatory language to whine about…a domestic spending bill?

You can decide where you think Hillary’s mind is at, but her answer in that interview is a symptom of a much broader sickness on the left. That is, the belief that anything they don’t like is not just disagreeable, but a direct threat to “democracy.” It’s baseless panic porn, and it’s become pervasive in the Democrat Party. I believe it’s also deliberate in many cases. When you have no argument, why not paint your political opponents as terrorists looking to enact “minority rule?”

Obviously, no one is going to call Hillary or any other Democrat out for such idiocy, and that kind of hysterical claim has become the go-to tactic for a party that otherwise has nothing to run on, as we head into the 2022 election season. In short, the constant talk of some kind of minority takeover, possibly violent, that destroys the country is all these people have left. They are trying to scare people in the absence of an actual platform.

Or maybe Hillary is just nuts.

Nancy Pelosi Caves, Pushed Infrastructure Vote Deadline To Halloween

Quote:House Speaker and California Rep. Nancy Pelosi has had, what can be defined as, beyond a tough week in Washington DC.

First, she set a Monday deadline for the House to vote on Joe Biden’s infrastructure and reconciliation spending bills, but that did not work.

Then she moved the deadline to Thursday, but there was still no vote so she moved it to Friday but, again, there was no vote.

Now, in what appears to be a waving of the white flag and an admittance that she cannot get her party on the same page, the Speaker has set the date of October 31, Halloween, to vote on the two bills, she said in a letter to her Democrat colleagues.

That gives Pelosi and Democrat leadership around a month to get the two sides, who appear to be miles apart on what they want, together.

It is, in many ways, an admission by Pelosi that she no longer wields the power she once had and is ceding it to the progressive wing of her party.

“It’s about time! Yesterday, we extended the Thursday, September 30th legislative day to Friday, pushing to passage of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework and to advance Build Back Better. But more time was needed to reach our goal of passing both bills, which we will,” she proclaimed.

“It’s about time! We all take great pride in the Rescue Package, which is a giant step in meeting the needs of the American people, putting hundreds of millions of vaccines of arms, money in people’s pockets, workers back in jobs and children safely back in school. There is an expiration date to some of the initiatives, so we need to extend them – for example, the Child Tax Credit, which took millions of children out of poverty, but which needs to be extended. Thanks to House Democrats’ Child Tax Credit Week of Action and indeed many more days of action, working with outside groups, we mobilized broad public support for this initiative. This is true of many aspects of the Rescue Package,” she said.

“It’s about time! There is an October 31st Surface Transportation Authorization deadline, after last night’s passage of a critical 30-day extension. We must pass BIF well before then – the sooner the better, to get the jobs out there.

“It’s about time! Every chance that I get, I want to recognize and appreciate the time and work of Committee Chairs, Members and staff for their disciplined focus on meeting the September 15th goal so that the Budget Committee could mark-up the legislation on September 25th to meet the end of September deadline,” she said.

“Time was interrupted two weeks ago when the prospect of a changed budget made the climb to agreement steeper. But still the work continues. Since it all starts with the priorities and then seeing what it all adds up to, it is important to know that it all adds up to ZERO, because Build Back Better is paid for. Negotiations will continue now, with more time for decisions, legislative language, Senate parliamentarian review and public awareness.

“It’s about time! To get the job done to meet the needs of the people in a transformative way to Build Back Better. There were two dynamics at work: a commitment to the date reachable under original budget agreement and a commitment not to bring BIF to the Floor unless we had consensus on both the topline number in the Build Back Better Act and the policies contained and commitments from all stakeholders in the House and Senate that they support the agreement: criteria that have been suggested by Members. Out of respect for our colleagues who support the bills and out of recognition for the need for both, I would not bring BIF to the Floor to fail. Again, we will and must pass both bills soon. We have the responsibility and the opportunity to do so. People are waiting and want Results.

“It’s about time! Yesterday, when we opened the second morning of the legislative day of September 30th, I mentioned the book The Island of the Day Before, by Umberto Eco. It is about chronology, one of my favorite subjects, in the Age of Discovery. Time was critical then, and it is critical now,” she said.

Democrats: Biden Had 'No Plan' to Get His Agenda Passed, Amid Incompetent Staffers

Quote:Democrats are ripping into each other this weekend after the failure of the infrastructure bill to go forward for a vote, when progressives tried to hold it hostage in order to get a vote on the spreading spree budget reconciliation bill.

As we reported, Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) flamed the Democratic leaders for not putting on the vote as promised this week and countenancing the “stunt” of the progressives.

Media isn’t being silent about the toxic nature of the rift between the Democrats, either.

But what it boils down to is that this was allegedly Joe Biden’s agenda — these were two bills he was putting forward, albeit shepherded by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). However, as we saw in the case of Afghanistan, he just expected everything to happen, despite having no real plan as to how to make it happen. Which is why it all blew up.

Here, again, he had the same problem. He had no plan or idea how to get this past the impasse between the progressives and the moderates. This is Biden who spent his whole life in the Senate and yet, still doesn’t know how to get two bills through Congress.

Here’s ABC’s Jonathan Karl explaining that that when Biden went to the Hill on Friday, Democrats thought he was going with some leadership or plan to get the agenda through. Instead, he said, they were “are at a loss for words. There was no plan, no strategy, no timing.”

Just like Afghanistan — artificial deadline and no idea how to make it happen.

On top of it, just like with Afghanistan, Dems say his people are incompetent.

Punchbowl News’ John Bresnahan said that the Democrat infighting was “incredibly toxic.” He also said that a chief staffer of a moderate Democrat said that the White House legislative affairs folks “don’t know what they’re doing.”

Guess who was among the White House people that Biden deployed to help push the legislation? If you guess Susan Rice, you would be right.

She was Barack Obama’s National Security Adviser and now is the director of the White House domestic policy council. Then does anyone wonder why it didn’t make it through? That’s the lady that went on all the Sunday shows to try to sell us a lie on Benghazi. She’s the one who seems to get deployed when things are a disaster and about to blow up. Small wonder that it didn’t work here.

But even as they failed spectacularly — pretty much in a forgone conclusion, since we knew going into this week there was a big stalemate — the Biden administration, just like with Afghanistan, tried to pitch it as a success.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed on Thursday night , after the infrastructure vote failed to go forward, that “a great deal of progress has been made this we , and we are closer to an agreement than ever. But we are not there yet, and so, we will need some additional time to finish the work, starting tomorrow morning first thing.”

No plan, no strategy. But a whole lot of fantasy spinning — that’s the Biden Administration in a nutshell.

(10-04-2021 09:32 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Democrats: Biden Had 'No Plan' to Get His Agenda Passed, Amid Incompetent Staffers

Quote:Democrats are ripping into each other this weekend after the failure of the infrastructure bill to go forward for a vote, when progressives tried to hold it hostage in order to get a vote on the spreading spree budget reconciliation bill.

As we reported, Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) flamed the Democratic leaders for not putting on the vote as promised this week and countenancing the “stunt” of the progressives.

Media isn’t being silent about the toxic nature of the rift between the Democrats, either.

But what it boils down to is that this was allegedly Joe Biden’s agenda — these were two bills he was putting forward, albeit shepherded by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). However, as we saw in the case of Afghanistan, he just expected everything to happen, despite having no real plan as to how to make it happen. Which is why it all blew up.

Here, again, he had the same problem. He had no plan or idea how to get this past the impasse between the progressives and the moderates. This is Biden who spent his whole life in the Senate and yet, still doesn’t know how to get two bills through Congress.

Here’s ABC’s Jonathan Karl explaining that that when Biden went to the Hill on Friday, Democrats thought he was going with some leadership or plan to get the agenda through. Instead, he said, they were “are at a loss for words. There was no plan, no strategy, no timing.”

Just like Afghanistan — artificial deadline and no idea how to make it happen.

On top of it, just like with Afghanistan, Dems say his people are incompetent.

Punchbowl News’ John Bresnahan said that the Democrat infighting was “incredibly toxic.” He also said that a chief staffer of a moderate Democrat said that the White House legislative affairs folks “don’t know what they’re doing.”

Guess who was among the White House people that Biden deployed to help push the legislation? If you guess Susan Rice, you would be right.

She was Barack Obama’s National Security Adviser and now is the director of the White House domestic policy council. Then does anyone wonder why it didn’t make it through? That’s the lady that went on all the Sunday shows to try to sell us a lie on Benghazi. She’s the one who seems to get deployed when things are a disaster and about to blow up. Small wonder that it didn’t work here.

But even as they failed spectacularly — pretty much in a forgone conclusion, since we knew going into this week there was a big stalemate — the Biden administration, just like with Afghanistan, tried to pitch it as a success.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed on Thursday night , after the infrastructure vote failed to go forward, that “a great deal of progress has been made this we , and we are closer to an agreement than ever. But we are not there yet, and so, we will need some additional time to finish the work, starting tomorrow morning first thing.”

No plan, no strategy. But a whole lot of fantasy spinning — that’s the Biden Administration in a nutshell.

Reminds me a lot of "Hope & Change". Imagne that. Both are getting us to nowhere.

Biden Folds Like a Wash and Wear Suit as Kyrsten Sinema Gets the Last Laugh

Quote:Radical lunatics may be verbally attacking Kyrsten Sinema in public, from bathrooms to airliners, but as predicted, she and Joe Manchin are getting the last laugh.

Despite all the big talk from Joe Biden and the insistence from the progressive (see: socialist) wing that the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill was non-negotiable, the president is now folding like a wash and wear suit, and I’d suggest things will get even worse for the far-left before this is all over.

Today, Biden told House progressives that the contested spending package needs to be as low as $1.9 trillion.

President Joe Biden said in a virtual meeting with a group of House progressives on Monday that the top line of the social safety net package needs to come down to somewhere between $1.9 trillion and $2.2 trillion, according to two sources familiar with the call.

Biden told the group, according to one of the sources, that was the range he felt Sens. Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema would accept but did not specify further within that range.

I would have loved to have been on that phone call. There’s no way all the progressives took Biden’s downgrade well, especially given the language that’s emanated from the Bernie Sanders wing over the last month. Rep. Pramila Jayapal has been leading that charge but did apparently agree with Biden that getting something was better than nothing. Perhaps that was a veiled shot at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who was ranting the opposite just days ago?

The progressives on the call reiterated to the President that they remain supportive of the package and want to pass “as robust a plan as they can” through both houses of Congress, a source familiar with the call said. Another source told CNN that Democrats agreed they need to get consensus on a deal and that “something is better than nothing.”

Biden’s capitulation is a massive drop from the original amount that was being demanded, and while Jayapal may understand that her side has no leverage and needs to make a deal, I don’t expect the “squad” to take things well. Also, does Sanders follow through on his threat to oppose reconciliation if it doesn’t have the top line number he laid out?

In other words, I expect this civil war the Democrats have been fighting to get worse. Manchin, despite Biden moving in his direction, is still indicating that $1.5 trillion is his ceiling, and the Hyde Amendment is now a major point of contention, as well. There are also provisions outside of just the topline cost that Sinema opposes. This is far more complicated than the president just setting a new number. The dirty little secret about Manchin and Sinema is that while they both oppose the current reconciliation bill, they oppose it for different reasons, which makes coming together even more difficult.

Lastly, as I opined earlier today, we have no idea how the harassment and bullying have affected Sinema in regards to what she’s willing to support. I suspect she’s only hardened her opposition, and after Biden failed to defend her today, she has no reason to give him anything he wants. So while Biden’s move is noteworthy, it’s hardly the end of this saga. Get ready for a lot more tears on the left because, for all the big talk and demands, leverage still matters.

(09-26-2021 07:12 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  The Sanders/Pelosi/Biden $3,500,000,000,000 (read $3.5 TRILLION) socialist budget comes up for a vote in the House this week. It likely will pass. If it (or anything close it it) emerges from the Senate, Joe Biden’s puppet masters are stupid/evil enough to make him sign it.
It is poison for America:

Quote:"In the face of mounting inflation and economic instability, a rational Congress would enact pro-growth tax and spending reforms that pave the way to a smoother recovery," Andrew Moylan advises. The National Taxpayers Union’s executive director adds, "Instead, current leaders are marching full speed ahead with the most sweeping expansion in the size and scope of government in decades. It’s like throwing a drowning child an anvil instead of a life preserver."
Link to full article: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bernie-s...sm-america

America’s future is thus dangling on the good sense and political courage of two Democrats - - Joe Manchin and Krystan Sinema.
So where are the Republicans? So far as I can tell, those in the House are chortling over the tough spot that the small handful of swing-district Democrats find themselves in. Those in the Senate are sitting on their hands while hiding behind the two brave Democrats.
Oh, but at least we can look to the gallant, truth-speaking, fighter Donald Trump--the presumptive Republican 2024 presidential candidate--to speak up strongly on this issue, can’t we? So where is he? Why, he’s down in Georgia endorsing the gap-toothed water buffalo Stacy Abrams as the preferred option for Georgia governor, because the current Republican Gov. Kemp has not shown himself to be a reliable Trump toady.
We, as a freedom-loving nation, are toast.

The key question is whether the republicans have it in them to mount a competent opposition. As long as the party is led by the likes of Milquetoast Mitch and Nonentity McCarthy, I think not. And Donald Trump is too much the populist egomaniac to provide the leadership needed.

(10-05-2021 05:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Let's go Brandon.

(10-05-2021 06:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-05-2021 05:56 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Let's go Brandon.

Bwahahaha

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(10-04-2021 10:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 09:32 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Democrats: Biden Had 'No Plan' to Get His Agenda Passed, Amid Incompetent Staffers

Quote:Democrats are ripping into each other this weekend after the failure of the infrastructure bill to go forward for a vote, when progressives tried to hold it hostage in order to get a vote on the spreading spree budget reconciliation bill.

As we reported, Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) flamed the Democratic leaders for not putting on the vote as promised this week and countenancing the “stunt” of the progressives.

Media isn’t being silent about the toxic nature of the rift between the Democrats, either.

But what it boils down to is that this was allegedly Joe Biden’s agenda — these were two bills he was putting forward, albeit shepherded by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). However, as we saw in the case of Afghanistan, he just expected everything to happen, despite having no real plan as to how to make it happen. Which is why it all blew up.

Here, again, he had the same problem. He had no plan or idea how to get this past the impasse between the progressives and the moderates. This is Biden who spent his whole life in the Senate and yet, still doesn’t know how to get two bills through Congress.

Here’s ABC’s Jonathan Karl explaining that that when Biden went to the Hill on Friday, Democrats thought he was going with some leadership or plan to get the agenda through. Instead, he said, they were “are at a loss for words. There was no plan, no strategy, no timing.”

Just like Afghanistan — artificial deadline and no idea how to make it happen.

On top of it, just like with Afghanistan, Dems say his people are incompetent.

Punchbowl News’ John Bresnahan said that the Democrat infighting was “incredibly toxic.” He also said that a chief staffer of a moderate Democrat said that the White House legislative affairs folks “don’t know what they’re doing.”

Guess who was among the White House people that Biden deployed to help push the legislation? If you guess Susan Rice, you would be right.

She was Barack Obama’s National Security Adviser and now is the director of the White House domestic policy council. Then does anyone wonder why it didn’t make it through? That’s the lady that went on all the Sunday shows to try to sell us a lie on Benghazi. She’s the one who seems to get deployed when things are a disaster and about to blow up. Small wonder that it didn’t work here.

But even as they failed spectacularly — pretty much in a forgone conclusion, since we knew going into this week there was a big stalemate — the Biden administration, just like with Afghanistan, tried to pitch it as a success.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki claimed on Thursday night , after the infrastructure vote failed to go forward, that “a great deal of progress has been made this we , and we are closer to an agreement than ever. But we are not there yet, and so, we will need some additional time to finish the work, starting tomorrow morning first thing.”

No plan, no strategy. But a whole lot of fantasy spinning — that’s the Biden Administration in a nutshell.

Reminds me a lot of "Hope & Change". Imagne that. Both are getting us to nowhere.

Wait a minute.....Is ABC's Jonathan Karl talking about Afghanistan or the $3.5 Trillion gross negligent spending spree? It seems like what he is saying is the modus operandi of the Biden Administration.

(10-04-2021 02:59 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Yes Ginger Congressman Kennedy has already explained it LOUD AND CLEAR even for a sounding board of misinformation such as yourself. SIMPLE SOLUTION = Democrat Majority in House and Senate and President in Oval Office = You can pass the debt ceiling limit without any Republican help. This is only up for debate because you and rotten cohorts want to play political football.

Biden Invites Manchin to Delaware, but It Sounds Like Manchin Is Getting the Better of Him

Quote:It sounds like Joe Biden is doing all he can today to persuade Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV).

Biden had Manchin and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to his home in Delaware today. Yes, Biden’s there once again — for the 25th time since taking office.

This may be one of the few times we’ve actually gotten a report on who he was meeting with in Delaware. The White House has refused to provide visitor logs of the people with whom Biden is meeting while there.

They’re trying to hash out their differences on the Build Back Better (BBB) social spending bill.

From Politico:

While Democrats are hopeful that the president and the two senators can hash things out and strike a framework for the legislation aimed at climate action, child care, health care and education, they are somewhat far apart. Manchin is insisting on his $1.5 trillion number, and the White House and Democratic leaders are aiming to go as high as $2 trillion after initially pursuing a total of $3.5 trillion. Both sides may need to show some flexibility down the stretch, and if Manchin comes up to a higher number, it could save a program or two from being cut entirely from the package.

What’s pretty astonishing is that Manchin has brought them completely to him. While he apparently hasn’t gone up yet and is sticking to $1.5 trillion, they’ve come down from $3.5 trillion to 2 trillion and, by some reports, as far down as $1.75 trillion.

They’re talking about possibly having a vote this week on the bipartisan infrastructure bill this week, if they can come together on the numbers for the BBB bill.

Given that they are still haggling over the price tag, revenues and overall policies for the legislation, it’s almost impossible to envision Democrats passing it this month. But party leaders are hopeful that if they can land an agreement, it will offer enough specificity to progressives to encourage them to pass the $550 billion infrastructure bill before the Highway Trust Fund runs dry at the end of the month — and before Virginia’s gubernatorial election a couple days later.

But it’s not clear yet that they’re meeting some of Manchin’s substantive issues on the bill. And there’s also no indication that Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ) has been satisfied yet, and if they’ve removed all the aspects of the bill with which she had issues. Sinema has issues as to some of the taxes they want to impose — and that’s a big obstacle. Meanwhile, notice she’s not there this weekend in Delaware, and there’s no word that she’s about to agree to anything. So Joe appears to be missing how he’s going to convince her.

There would still seem to be some difference, despite the fact that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says they’re close. “I think we’re pretty much there now,” she said. “It’s just the language of it.” But that’s what she’s said before and that didn’t come off.

Earlier in the week, Manchin made it clear when he met with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) that he, Manchin, would be perfectly happy to walk away and do nothing. “I’m comfortable with zero as a number,” Manchin told Bernie, making a zero with his fingers.

Of course, Manchin and Sinema are also fronts for other moderate folks, both in the Senate and in the House, who believe similarly but are less inclined to be vocal about it. So, that would also remain to be seen if you’d get all of them, even if Manchin and Sinema were to move.

So, they may be coming a little closer on a number, in the sense that they’re coming down to Manchin’s number, but it’s there’s still a lot to work out.

Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

All while ignoring the fact the party is named DEMOCRATS! And ignoring the fact that its the only major party we currently have in this country that actually supports the principles of democracy, like establishing uniform standards we ALL can agree upon for our voting system. Or simply agreeing NOT to try to undermine the faith in our election system. Not to mention other core principles like the separation of church and state. Or simply what's stated in the Preamble of the Constitution.

All of that apparently doesn't matter. What's important is that "Socialism!" boogeyman. The same exact boogeyman tactic that Hitler used to undermine it's democracy and take the world to war. Maybe you should think about what WWII was even about. Or whether you even support democracy anymore before buying into age-old "Socialism!" boogeyman scams to undermine it.

The moment our election system goes away, politics no longer matters. All that matters is the authoritarian at the helm. If they decide your guns are too much of a threat to their power, they are history. Or any other "right" you think they will continue to support. If they no longer answer to the people, the people no longer matter. Apparently most Republicans haven't figure that one out yet.

(10-24-2021 09:06 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Socialism! Socialism! Socialism!

All while ignoring the fact the party is named DEMOCRATS! And ignoring the fact that its the only major party we currently have in this country that actually supports the principles of democracy, like establishing uniform standards we ALL can agree upon for our voting system. Or simply agreeing NOT to try to undermine the faith in our election system. Not to mention other core principles like the separation of church and state. Or simply what's stated in the Preamble of the Constitution.

All of that apparently doesn't matter. What's important is that "Socialism!" boogeyman. The same exact boogeyman tactic that Hitler used to undermine it's democracy and take the world to war. Maybe you should think about what WWII was even about. Or whether you even support democracy anymore before buying into age-old "Socialism!" boogeyman scams to undermine it.

The moment our election system goes away, politics no longer matters. All that matters is the authoritarian at the helm. If they decide your guns are too much of a threat to their power, they are history. Or any other "right" you think they will continue to support. If they no longer answer to the people, they no longer matter. Apparently most Republicans haven't figure that one out yet.

If only we had a democracy. Damn.